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Can someone please tell me if this is normal 10 year old behavior? Very disturbed.

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I don't know where to start so I'm just going to write and see if this makes sense. I could really use some feedback for myself and my SIL.

My 10 year old niece has been writing very graphic, gory stories in her journal. She writes about how a wife decided she hated her husband so she stabbed him in the neck until he bleed to death, and then buried him in the back yard. The wife feels guilty later and then kills herself with a knife too. Another story was about a butcher who hated his wife so much that he killed her, ground her into meat and then ate the meat. The butcher decided the meat tasted so good he started killing other people to sell their ground up bodies. He gets ground up as meat at the end of the story.

Normally my niece is an outgoing, extremely smart, class clown kinda of girl. This school year she is at a new school. She is having a hard time fitting in. She isn't the smartest girl in the class for the first time. She's struggling after being so popular at the school she grew up in, and being a wall flower at the new school.

On top of that, her parents are going through a very difficult time in their marriage. Most likely this marriage is going to end in divorce after 14 years. My SIL tells me that her and my brother bicker in the car, or don't talk at all, but most of the arguing is kept behind their bedroom door. My brother is the most uninvolved father you could imagine, so my SIL has basically been a single mom to 3 kids all along anyway.

My niece said the other day she was never getting married, and never wanted kids. She was adamant.

Is this normal? If we try to break down all the components going on in her life are these horror stories her way of venting her frustrations? My SIL was going to tell her to stop writing these stories, and especially stop reading them to her 6 year old sister, but I'm afraid if she tells her to stop writing she's going to act out a different way.

HELP? Any mamas with any advice is welcome advice.

TIA.
post #2 of 26
It sounds like a great way to work through what's going on in her life, but they certainly should NOT be read to the younger sister. It's also an indication that she needs help processing and all should attend family counseling to help her....if dad refuses then mom and girl should go.
post #3 of 26
It could be her way of venting/coping. I, personally would not ask, or tell, her to stop writing them. Instead I would try talking to her about why she wrote them (i.e. what was her inspiration or something along that line) However, I'm not experienced with this type of situation. I would request she stop telling the stories to the 6 year old. I would also look into counseling.

I know when I was 9 and my parents were getting ready to divorce I had very graphic and disturbing nightmares.
post #4 of 26
Why is anyone reading her journal?

I think writing things out, even in the form of stories, is how kids sometime deal with issues they're having. I would think counseling would probably be a good idea, not because of the stories, but because of all she's going through right now.

My oldest son has a journal. It's his and not mine so I don't read it. It's how he deals with things. I don't ever attempt to control what he writes and I do encourage him to write things out if something's bothering him. It works for him.

I'd let her keep writing what she wants and get some counseling.
post #5 of 26
I wouldn't have a problem with the stories themselves (hey, Ann Rule and Anne Rice had to start somewhere ) but I would not want them read to the younger child... My 10yo has a similar imagination and while that is okay, I do not want him scaring the bejeebus out of ds2 (who is 6 as well). As long as she seems otherwise well balanced (in addition to the horror obsession, my 10yo also write love songs... no joke ) then I would say its a acceptable creative outlet...
post #6 of 26
Honestly it sounds to me like she's just trying to fit in with the goth/emo/whatever they call themselves these days crowd. I wouldn't worry about it. I think it is normal. Some people keep doing it as they grow up and end up making a career out of it.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
Why is anyone reading her journal?

I think writing things out, even in the form of stories, is how kids sometime deal with issues they're having. I would think counseling would probably be a good idea, not because of the stories, but because of all she's going through right now.

My oldest son has a journal. It's his and not mine so I don't read it. It's how he deals with things. I don't ever attempt to control what he writes and I do encourage him to write things out if something's bothering him. It works for him.

I'd let her keep writing what she wants and get some counseling.
Since the OP also indicates that the author of them is reading them to the younger sibling, I think it is probably a safe bet that they are not private...
post #8 of 26
Normal behaviour is hard to define. It would have been normal for me at 10 because I loved to write stories, especially horror ones, I have been sneaking and watching horror movies since I was 5 years old, my first one was poltergeist and I fell in love. Im not demented or twisted, I just love gore. I really wanted to be a horror book writer at one time, about that age, so I would write stuff similiar to that. It was a phase. I am sure she is upset about what is going on in her life though. This may be a way to deal. I think she should possibly go see someone, even a school counselor, just to be on the safe side. My mom left me and my siblings when I was 11 just out of the blue. My sister was 7 at the time and she told me recently that when she was 8 she tried to think of ways to die and kill herself, and even jumped out of a tree to try to once. I never knew this as a child, and neither did my father......so she could be hiding stuff.
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your replies. Family counseling is a great idea!

Why is anyone reading her journal? Because she is TEN, and not acting like herself, and she was reading these stories out loud in the car to her 6 year old sister. She's clearly not concerned about her "privacy" if she's reading these stories out loud. She is processing something, or a lot of things, for sure, and needs some help. I just wanted to know from other mamas how we could best help her, as not to alienate her further.

I don't think my niece is trying to fit in with a certain crowd, emo/goth/otherwise. She wouldn't know a goth kid if s/he bit her on the butt. Also, she goes to a private school. Whereas she used to express herself with her very unique wardrobe, she now has a uniform that she has to wear.

They do not watch horror movies in their home, it isn't acceptable entertainment for the kids, and my SIL monitors this carefully. That's one of the reasons she is so unsure as to where she is getting these ideas. She doesn't have access to the TV without mom or dad, and has a computer in her room for games, but no access to the internet.

Thank you for sharing, Strong Mama. This is definitely something to keep an eye on when the divorce happens.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by lellian View Post
Thank you for your replies. Family counseling is a great idea!

Why is anyone reading her journal? Because she is TEN, and not acting like herself, and she was reading these stories out loud in the car to her 6 year old sister. She's clearly not concerned about her "privacy" if she's reading these stories out loud. She is processing something, or a lot of things, for sure, and needs some help. I just wanted to know from other mamas how we could best help her, as not to alienate her further.
Ok sorry, I missed the part where she was reading them to a 6 year old. Obviously, I'd put an end to that. I still stand by my first post to let her keep writing (to herself) and get counseling.
post #11 of 26
Since these stories all seem to involve husbands and wives, I suspect she's working through the problems her parents are having, and is probably more aware of them than your SIL knows. I doubt she's dangerous to others or to herself, but I would be on the look out for signs of depression. Looking back, my life long battle with depression started at around that age, so 10 isn't too young to be concerned with that. Obviously, family or individual counseling is probably warranted - whether she was writing these stories or not, the break up of parents is a tough thing for a child to witness. I would also look into how things are really going at school. Is it possible there is an issue with bullying?

Oh, and like everyone else said - I'd ask her not to read them to her sister anymore, and explain exactly why not. I'd also tell her that if she wanted an audience for her stories, that I'd be happy to listen to her read them or read them myself if she left them for me, and give her any feedback she was looking for. I'd make sure to point out parts of the story that were particularly good writing or used creative imagery. I might even talk to her about how a lot of authors have author's notes that talk about how they got their ideas and what inspired them, and ask her if she'd be willing to write her own author's note, or talk to me about where the ideas came from. And I would try my best not to look or act shocked about what she shared with me.
post #12 of 26
I totally agree with eclipse. Don't censor her writing, but put the kibosh on reading to the six-year-old.

They sound pretty similar to the types of things you'd find in EC horror comics in the '50s, and a whole generation grew up reading those avidly and then turned into hippies. She's even got the twist endings! They're also similar to the sorts of things Roald Dahl wrote for adults, and significantly less disturbing than Sweeney Todd.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to look into counseling, just because she's having a hard time at school and things are tense at home, and it sounds like she's not very happy right now. I don't think the stories are pathological, though -- they could be a coping mechanism, or she could have just found an anthology of "thriller" stories at the library and is trying on the genre.
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by Thalia the Muse View Post

It wouldn't be a bad idea to look into counseling, just because she's having a hard time at school and things are tense at home, and it sounds like she's not very happy right now. I don't think the stories are pathological, though -- they could be a coping mechanism, or she could have just found an anthology of "thriller" stories at the library and is trying on the genre.
I went through this around that age. I got my hands on several horror books for teens and really enjoyed them and played around with the writing style. My mother was horrified, but there was nothing sinister about it...I even remember being hurt that my mom wasn't supportive.
post #14 of 26
In my experience, 10 year olds aren't exactly the most subtle of creatures, and it sounds to me like this is a cry for attention. It really sounds as though her world is falling apart, and it can be hard for even adults to process the kinds of things that she is going through.

Although what she's doing does seem sort of scary and inappropriate, it actually seems fairly mature to me that she recognizes that she can't really deal with the issues that she's facing. So she's trying to deal with her feelings through her writing, and she's also trying to attract some attention by reading them to her sister. And I don't even think that it's negative attention seeking behavior: I think that she's probably afraid to ask her parents because she's afraid of the answers that she might receive. So she's going a roundabout way. I mean, it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that if you tell your 6 year old sister something gruesome, it's gonna get back to your parents. As an oldest sister myself, 6 year old sisters tend to be pretty reliable tattletales

I definitely think that counseling is a good idea, and I think that she would probably be receptive towards it. She's probably very confused right now about the world and her place in it. But, as I said, it actually sounds like she's dealing with her issues in as constructive a way as she knows how to.

I wish her family luck and hope that everything works out in the best possible way for them, whatever that way is.
post #15 of 26
As long as she isn't consumed by these types of stories and can function normally, it sounds like a good way to deal with her feelings. Writing or drawing in a journal is probably one of the best things you can do to handle what is going on in your life.

Maybe without giving her any reason, you can just buy her a drawing pad and some water colors and colored pencils to go along with her journal.

My very best friend is a gore and mayhem lover. She likes horror movies, and her halloween parties are always very creepy. I am her complete opposite, and I am the fairy, flowers and kittens type of person. In school we had to write poetry about a death. Her's started out "I watched you die, and I wasn't sad". WTH???? Mine was something along the lines of "I miss your voice". We are both pretty normal adults. Non medicated, not destructive or dangerous. Just ruin of the mill people with different movie interests.
post #16 of 26
mary shelley's frankenstein- no computer, no movies

I would encourage the writing

she is going thur enough don't stop her outlet
post #17 of 26
I like kittens and fairies AND Christopher Lee Dracula movies and Stephen King! In fact, I like to read scary books with a kitten in my lap.
post #18 of 26
I'd say given the circumstances, her behavior is very normal. Being most popular to a wall flower must be horrible, plus her family life sounds awful at the moment. Even if your brother and SIL keep their arguing to the bedroom, she is old enough to feel the stress and shock and totally powerless over the situation.

She sounds like a bright young woman, who needs, and has found, a creative outlet, to help her get through these very rough times. Great story line about the ground meat (and I am not an Edgar Allan Poe type). She just might end up being a great author! Since school and family life seem to be in great turmoil and stress right now, I'd even consider a way that will help encourage her writing - an author mentor, a writing class….

She could have turned to aggressive behavior, drugs, self-mutilation, a million other things, but instead is channeling this into writing. Writing can be a great therapy. I turned to it after PTSD and it helped me get throughout the difficulties, and to grown, in countless ways. Wishing her the best. And please encourage her writing!
post #19 of 26
he has a disease that can make the body melt. he can cut the stomach open and take out the organs. sometimes blood flows out. some organs dont need blood so there is no blood. if he is hungry he can just break off part of his finger and eat it. .......

would this be shocking to you if you knew this was written by a 2 year old. knowing nothing else would you say omg she needs to go seek therapy? somethign is wrong. she is a sociopath in the making.

so this was my dd making up stories like this to figure out what happened to the kittens our cat miscarried. i will tell you it shocked me in teh beginning. she had never seen a gun or heard any kinda fighting stories. however she knew i had a c section, what a csection was and touched my scar.

it was her way of processing.

so the content of your neices story would not shock me. if anything it impresses me extremely. to think of all those ways. and to have a believable plot. absolutely AMAZING. she is brilliant.

her behaviour - now that would be cause for concern. and therapy definitely. children are so so so perceptive.

i wonder why we dont realise that esp. for our children i would say only 20% of communication happens with words. the rest is body language, body expressions. she is an extremely preceptive girl. she gets too much.

she needs help to deal with her emotions.

she also needs her parents to be honest and open with her. they need to give her the freedom to ask all kinds of questions including provocative ones. she is left out of teh loop too much.

how does the 6 year old react to those stories. i dont think she should be ASKED NOT to read the stories to her lil sis. i think there should be a discussion and she should be allowed to make the choice to not read to her sis. that if she needs to read her stuff to her sis she needs the right kind of stories to her sis. so she could write approprriate ones.
post #20 of 26
These do sound like those scary story books I used to read in elementary school. We had them in the school library. Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. They were pretty gorey. And the butcher one sounds REALLY familiar to me.

It's also Halloween time.....

ETA: Found the butcher one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZdXwKIDrUs
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