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not getting on with only suzuki teacher in the area-what do I do?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok I couldn't for the life of me work out where to post this, so sorry if its in the wrong place.

My kids have been learning violin for around 18 months and around 3 months, with the only Suzuki teacher within any reasonable driving distance.

I'm having problems with her. On a personal level I find her pretty rude and fussy, bascially. Importantly, when there is a problem there is no real opportunity for discussion, the lessons are very rushed and not relaxed at all.

There is NO local Suzuki group and very very few group lessons.

She's been extremely rude to me on the phone when a family emergency meant I needed to cancel (with actually 3 days notice).

I'm also feeling quite unhappy about the way she's interpreting the Suzuki method. The big problem is, i think, perhaps that my kids were a little older than "ideal" when they started: 6 and 5. They both really like the violin, and will practice, but are champing at the bit to learn other pieces, especially the (now) 7 year old, who hears a wide range of music. She will keep them on the same pieces going over and over and making it perfect, which just isn't working for them. Especially my 7 year old, he has taught himself to read music and is off playing the pieces ahead in the book and sightreading a load of other stuff and she just won't support him in this, its kind of almost like he's disobeying her. Its getting to the stage where I think he's losing respect for her. But its also ridiculous, this child is sightreading and working music out by ear and actually I think could use some guidance on this. He needs more breadth. He'll practice 2 hours straight but not Allegretto ;-) . I've spoken with her about this and she bascially won't budge. I'd like him to try out for the local kids orchestra (you have to audition round here if you are homeschooled, as he is, but the bar is low), she keeps putting us off.

There is such a difference between how my kids approach piano and how they approach violin. For piano they have an enthusiastic teacher with high standards and expectations-I NEVER have to ask them to practice, they are at the piano every morning. Violin, he'll do if I acompany him, or if he gets into it and is looking at other tunes. Plus, I notice when they've gone a week or two without a violin lesson they are back getting the violins out and making up songs and working out tunes and so on.

I do feel a little as well that Suzuki might not be so good for my kids just because they are very mathematical/mechanical and LOVE things like theory books to a freakish extent. Also, tbh, they can read music perfectly well as they both play piano, so i wonder if its too late anyway?

So why on earth am I with her still? A big big reason why we are still with her is that my kids do like her, and I'm confident they are actually getting a solid musical start. I grew up learning Suzuki violin, I think if done sensitively its a wonderful method.

What do I do? I suppose I'm really saying, is there any point staying with this teacher long term? Or do I need to accept that Suzuki isn't going to work for my family at this point in time?

All thoughts welcome!
post #2 of 9

Tribe

There is an MDC Suzuki Music tribe here :

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=895826
post #3 of 9
Ha! Dd was just practicing Allegretto an hour or two ago...

My dh and I are both jazz musicians and she would rather "jam" with us than practice songs from her Suzuki book, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.

FWIW I wouldn't place the blame on Suzuki as a method. Dd's teacher certainly doesn't sound at all like your dcs'. She's very flexible, patient, fun, and kind. Sounds like you guys just didn't luck out. I think the Suzuki method can be really wonderful, and (taught by the right teacher) could be a great fit with your ds. But I guess that doesn't help, does it, when she's the only teacher near to you guys. Hmmm.

I think in your case I'd be tempted to sacrifice "Suzuki" for "good teacher". I am a huge fan of the Suzuki method, but if the teacher is not great then the method won't be great *for a student of that teacher* either. It sounds like the inevitable (sooner or later) in this case will be a death of enthusiasm and eventual quitting of lessons. In my mind finding a wonderful teacher, though s/he doesn't teach the Suzuki method, would be greatly preferable!
post #4 of 9
I did not learn with Suzuki method. I learned with a really theory-heavy teacher, which frankly, I loved. I started with piano and later played flute & oboe. (In fact, I have a performance on flute tomorrow!) I received a college scholarship to play in the university orchestra. So...I don't think the lack of Suzuki method is going to prevent your children from developing their potential. I personally cannot even understand a teacher who would "forbid" moving forward. It's something I was always, always encouraged to do.
post #5 of 9
if they've had piano lessons, they might be just fine with a more traditional teacher. is there a reason you're wedded to Suzuki? The fact that the kids like the teacher OK isn't a great reason to stay.

Could you ask your piano teacher for a recommendation? If you like your piano teacher, I bet they know a good violin teacher.
post #6 of 9
I say give a non-traditional teacher a try. The method may be fine but this teacher doesn't have great chemistry with you and your kids it seems, despite the fact they they may appear to like her. Whenever I start a new student I tell the parents we will have three trial lessons to make sure we all will work well together, and if after that trial we dissolve the relationship, it's okay! No hard feelings.
post #7 of 9
My sister and I started suzuki at ages 6 and 7, so a little older than your kids did. I stayed in suzuki for only one year before switching to a traditional teacher. While reading your OP, I was going to suggest a traditional teacher who could teach your kids to read music, but I see that your oldest is already ahead of the game there. So yes, I would definitely switch to a traditional teacher. Your kids may like the suzuki teacher, but I'm sure that you can find a traditional teacher that they like as much, if not more.

I think suzuki is fine for really little kids, and even for kids your childrens' age for a little while, but I don't really see the need for 8 or nine year olds to go through the whole suzuki program when there is a whole new exciting world out there that your kids seem ready for.

And yes, I definitely think the opportunity to do orchestra by far trumps doing suzuki. I joined orchestra when I was 8, and it was one of the turning points of my childhood.
post #8 of 9
I'd just contact the orchestra directly. With them already knowing how to read music, starting from the beginning with Suzuki (versus having already been in it for years) seems unnecessary to me. DS started out in his school orchestra at 8 (having had just a few months of piano) and it has worked out great.
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 

thanks all! I lost the thread somehow!

 

Update: have taken advice you've all pretty much given and moved teachers. We've found a teacher who on the face of it would be quite a bad fit for my quite autonomous kids: he does all exams in strict order, even choosing their pieces for the (eek!), he insists on the properly learning of music reading from day one with a push to get them into the local orchestras, daily practice and the rest is absolutely required...in short he is pretty pushy and usually I'd have run a mile...but my kids LOVE him and LOVE the challenge of his lessons. Its a totally different experience. They are hugely motivated to play his stuff, even though he is quite anti suzuki and is insisting on them relearning stuff (eg the bow hold).

 

He's also structured things so that my 7 yo CAN practice alone. And because he CAN practice alone, I find that 3 or 4 times a week he's actually happy to have me there, making suggestions and reminding him of the things agreed at the lesson. It may also help that this new teacher, like my own kids, seems just mathematically/logically minded, iykwim...whereas his Suzuki teacher was quite vague and arty...don't know if that makes sense. My kids seem to benefit from precise instructions, not games about being frogs.

 

 

I concluded that what I wanted more than anything was for my kids to love playing and be able to play to a standard that makes them happy.

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