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post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by Attached2Elijah View Post
Try spacing your words when your hand is over top what you JUST wrote.
That doesn't sound like a good idea, I don't put my hand over what I write when I write right-handed, so why would I do so when I write left-handed? Sounds painful, actually, to twist my wrist that way. As I just posted, tilting the paper is better than twisting my wrist.
post #62 of 80
Tilting the paper doesn't fix the problem. Your hand still goes over what you JUST wrote. Write a long word - by the end of it you can't see the beginning of the word. Even if you have it nicely tilted.
post #63 of 80
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I would have much rather have the teacher call me WEEKS before said grade card and told me he needed some work on his handwriting or something.
I'm not sure this is really practical for the teacher. How big is the class? I don't think it would be practical for the teacher to call every parent weeks ahead of time and let them know what their child needs to work on. Isn't that what report cards and parent-teacher conferences are for? That's how it works in our school. We have quarterly conferences. I would not expect a personal phone call unless there were some really big issues - like something behavioral or it the child wasn't ready for that grade at all.
post #64 of 80
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Tilting the paper doesn't fix the problem. Your hand still goes over what you JUST wrote. Write a long word - by the end of it you can't see the beginning of the word. Even if you have it nicely tilted.

Now I think you're arguing with me simply for the sake of arguing. I know what I see with my own eyes, even if I don't have great eyesight. Neither my left nor my right hand goes on the words I'm writing, my hands are under the words.
post #65 of 80
Edited out answer to Tjej who I see was responding to a rather unreasonable comment about how handwriting is a matter of sheer effort.

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I would have much rather have the teacher call me WEEKS before said grade card and told me he needed some work on his handwriting or something. I had NO clue until he got his grade card so it was a bit of a shock to me.
I can understand this, because although you see the handwriting, you don't know how it compares and each sheet might not be graded.

However, she probably only calls parents of kids whose work is "unsatisfactory" or below a C.
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In an educated adult, it's laziness, pure and simple.
No. I know a lot of driven, skilled lefties and their handwriting SUCKS. I saw my BIL's handwriting in a foreign language (with a foreign alphabet) and I looked up and him and said, "Are you left-handed?" "How did you know?" "This is the work of a lefty..."

Fascinatingly, it's almost equally bad when they write with their right hands.

That is okay. You know what? Every single first chair in my band classes was a lefty, and I never got past third. Brain pieces missing, LOL! Not my talent. It all works out.

to the OP. I dread my kids getting grades.

In the book "What's Going on in There?", there is a line about how parents slowly learn their babies are not perfect: "If nothing else has burst your bubble, your first parent-teacher conference should do the trick."

And she's like, really smart and her kids probably are, too.
post #66 of 80
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Just to clarify... Teacher HAS called me on several occasions about other things (getting him into a higher reading class, etc) and has never once mentioned his handwriting other then to say he needs to slow down on his assignments.
post #67 of 80
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Now I think you're arguing with me simply for the sake of arguing. I know what I see with my own eyes, even if I don't have great eyesight. Neither my left nor my right hand goes on the words I'm writing, my hands are under the words.
No, I too am disagreeing with you... Writing with your left hand just to try it is not the same as doing it your whole life. He covers what he writes as he goes, plain and simple...You are not left handed therefore don't HAVE to deal with the everyday tasks that come with being a lefty. I really don't understand how you can NOT be covering up what you just wrote if you are writing left handed. Every single left hander I have ever come across complains about that issue... Oh and have I mentioned my father, step-mother, grandfather, father in law and sister in law are ALL left handers? It's not like my son just jumped out of a family with NO left handers... this is something we know a little bit about and there ARE issues whether you would like to admit that or not.
post #68 of 80
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Just to clarify... Teacher HAS called me on several occasions about other things (getting him into a higher reading class, etc) and has never once mentioned his handwriting other then to say he needs to slow down on his assignments.
I don't think that getting a C is a big deal that warrants a phone call to a parent. If you child were at risk for FAILING and the teacher didn't give you a heads up, sure.

But I don't think that teachers need to call all the parents who whose children are performing at an average level and warn them. That doesn't' make sense.

Sounds like your little guy is doing great overall, he just has messy handwriting.
post #69 of 80
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No, I too am disagreeing with you... Writing with your left hand just to try it is not the same as doing it your whole life. He covers what he writes as he goes, plain and simple...You are not left handed therefore don't HAVE to deal with the everyday tasks that come with being a lefty. I really don't understand how you can NOT be covering up what you just wrote if you are writing left handed. Every single left hander I have ever come across complains about that issue... Oh and have I mentioned my father, step-mother, grandfather, father in law and sister in law are ALL left handers? It's not like my son just jumped out of a family with NO left handers... this is something we know a little bit about and there ARE issues whether you would like to admit that or not.
I've known a couple of people who just position the paper totally different from how right-handed people do it.

I've known more who bend their hands under the line of text so that their hand is positioned in the same place a right had would be.

I've only encountered one left handed person who did the curl the hand from the top method.

Since your ds is just starting to practice forming letters, it might be worth hunting out a left handed person who isn't bending their hands uncomfortably (discomfort really hurts handwriting over time) and see if they can show your ds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4CRw3DG-s might be helpful.

(Note that pushing instead of pulling in writing gives less control, but isn't the disaster it would've been in the days of split nib pens. I know one woman who does a lot of calligraphy and just turns the page upside down to compensate.
post #70 of 80
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
I don't think that getting a C is a big deal that warrants a phone call to a parent. If you child were at risk for FAILING and the teacher didn't give you a heads up, sure.

But I don't think that teachers need to call all the parents who whose children are performing at an average level and warn them. That doesn't' make sense.

Sounds like your little guy is doing great overall, he just has messy handwriting.
No, I wouldn't expect a call JUST for the handwriting but it would have been nice for her to mention it the many times she HAS called me (for his reading and trying to get him into a higher class) .. maybe a passing comment or something, that's all.
post #71 of 80
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Now I think you're arguing with me simply for the sake of arguing. I know what I see with my own eyes, even if I don't have great eyesight. Neither my left nor my right hand goes on the words I'm writing, my hands are under the words.
Purity Lake, people who are left handed, who write left handed every single day of their lives, are telling you what it is like. I don't think they are the ones arguing for the sake of arguing or calling anyone else lazy.

When you are left handed you push, rather than pull the writing implement. You cannot see what you are writing, because English is written left to right.

You stated that an educated adult with illegible handwriting is lazy. People are explaining to you that there are other explanations.

OP: See if you can find this writing utensil: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_48x6lxi0fl_b
post #72 of 80
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OP: See if you can find this writing utensil: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_48x6lxi0fl_b

Ohhh now that is neat... I think I'll order one just to have him try. I just read a few sites on it that suggest it for left-handers... very neat! Thank you
post #73 of 80
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No, I too am disagreeing with you.
Well, you can disagree all you want but it won't change the truth, which is when I write, either with my left or right hand, my hand sits under the line and I can still see what I'm writing. I'm sorry if you don't understand or choose to disbelieve, but it is the truth.

Thank you sapphire chan for that video, because apparently some people are incapable of visualizing what I was typing. Holding your hand under the line is not going to drag over what you've written, or hide it, along with tilting the paper, seems much more comfortable than some of the ways people in that video seem to contort themselves.
post #74 of 80
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No, I wouldn't expect a call JUST for the handwriting but it would have been nice for her to mention it the many times she HAS called me (for his reading and trying to get him into a higher class) .. maybe a passing comment or something, that's all.
you think that she should mention to every parent which subjects their children are doing average in?

honestly, for most people, doing average isn't a big a deal. I'm sure she has kids dealing with a variety of serious issues. She's most likely got some kids with sn, some of whom aren't adjusting to first grade or don't have appropriate IEPs, some kids going through serious problems at home, etc. Your son's messy, but acceptable, handwriting is .....

not that big of a deal.

And it's not a LOW letter grade. It's the middle. It's a pass. It's fine.
post #75 of 80
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
you think that she should mention to every parent which subjects their children are doing average in?

honestly, for most people, doing average isn't a big a deal. I'm sure she has kids dealing with a variety of serious issues. She's most likely got some kids with sn, some of whom aren't adjusting to first grade or don't have appropriate IEPs, some kids going through serious problems at home, etc. Your son's messy, but acceptable, handwriting is .....

not that big of a deal.

And it's not a LOW letter grade. It's the middle. It's a pass. It's fine.
post #76 of 80
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Originally Posted by ~Purity♥Lake~ View Post
Well, you can disagree all you want but it won't change the truth, which is when I write, either with my left or right hand, my hand sits under the line and I can still see what I'm writing. I'm sorry if you don't understand or choose to disbelieve, but it is the truth.

Thank you sapphire chan for that video, because apparently some people are incapable of visualizing what I was typing. Holding your hand under the line is not going to drag over what you've written, or hide it, along with tilting the paper, seems much more comfortable than some of the ways people in that video seem to contort themselves.
And apparently some are incapable of understanding that maybe a 7 year old has problems with the way YOU are holding your hand... the natural way to hold a pencil is the same way a right hander does and that is what he is having problems with... trying to teach him a whole NEW way of holding his hand is not really that feasible when I'm still trying him to be able to write in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
you think that she should mention to every parent which subjects their children are doing average in?

honestly, for most people, doing average isn't a big a deal. I'm sure she has kids dealing with a variety of serious issues. She's most likely got some kids with sn, some of whom aren't adjusting to first grade or don't have appropriate IEPs, some kids going through serious problems at home, etc. Your son's messy, but acceptable, handwriting is .....

not that big of a deal.

And it's not a LOW letter grade. It's the middle. It's a pass. It's fine.
Again, I've explained my INITIAL reaction to the C and that I was never UPSET over it... just didn't quite understand it. I'm fine with it, I've moved on and I know it's not a big deal and are doing the necessary things at home to work on his handwiring. I simply wish she would have mentioned that his handwriting could use some work WHILE ON THE PHONE WITH ME one of the last 4 times she has called me at home TO TELL ME HOW HE WAS DOING .... I'm done. I'm checking out of this thread. Heaven forbid someone question something because it's the first time they've dealt with the school system and how it works...
post #77 of 80
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Originally Posted by Attached2Elijah View Post
And apparently some are incapable of understanding that maybe a 7 year old has problems with the way YOU are holding your hand...
I never talked about how your son holds his pencil, since I've never seen him. I was talking about how "I" do. Relax.
post #78 of 80
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Originally Posted by ~Purity♥Lake~ View Post
I never talked about how your son holds his pencil, since I've never seen him. I was talking about how "I" do. Relax.
I realize that... I was talking about WHY he was having problems and not writing neatly and you just kept pushing why it SHOULDN'T be a problem... but it is no matter how YOU hold your pencil.
post #79 of 80
I apologize for derailing your thread.

*But for the record I never told you your son shouldn't have a problem. I only spoke of my personal experience in an attempt to understand another poster's words.*
*I just really hate when people twist my words.*
post #80 of 80
It seems as though the OP has gotten what she needs at this point. Closing thread.
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