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another gf/cf question?

post #1 of 8
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Our dd1 has celiac disease and we are a gluten free family as a result. However, we had been eating cow milk yogurt and butter (not raw, but local organic grass fed cows) and some cheese as a regular part of our diet.

Our dd2 was diagonsed with SPD, anxiety disorder, chronic constipation, Raynauds, and Horner's when she was a year old. She was recently diagnosed and treated for Lyme's disease after a tick bite/bullseye rash (which happened during her bout with chicken pox! an amazingly "not fun" experience for the whole family ). Over the years she has responded well to OT and we've been learning along with her how to adapt daily activities and stay balanced. However, we've been facing a big "up tick" in problem behaviors and felt like we needed to explore more options.

Given that we're gluten free, the GF/CF diet seemed like a good place to start. Especially since we have noticed that while our dd1 gets sick if she is "glutened", our dd2 emotionally melts down when "glutened". So... it's been almost three weeks of strict gf/cf. And we haven't seen any positive progress. If anything, the meltdowns might be a bit more intense (dd2 started gagging herself this week and throwing up as part of her tantrums, an d her fairly new obsessions have remained unabatted). And physically she actually looks "more allergic" with red cheeks/nose (people keep commenting that she looks like a doll with painted cheeks ), round belly, elimination problems, and she is still losing her hair.

In the first few days we did have more soy in our diet but pretty quickly dropped it when the taste/texture of the soy products made them expensive "I wont eat that" items. And other than that brief soy up-tick we haven't introduced any new foods. It's been our normal brands and meals with just a smaller number of meals in rotation. And as a mom to a celiac kiddo I'm intimately familiar with "hidden" contamination so I'm pretty sure casein isn't sneaking in... mostly I cook from scratch and we eat a lot of local organic veggies from our CSA with brown rice and beans.

It seems from the various threads, forums, and books like families often see a clear improvement pretty quickly with the "CF" side of the diet. We're obviously going to remain "GF" regardless but... should we give "CF" more time? Re-introduce dairy and see if her behavior worsens/changes? Try something else? It's an annoying restriction if there is little/no benefit, but I don't want to give up too soon.

Soooo... did anyone else find that the GF side was more significant than the CF side? Was there an "extinction burst" type reaction before you saw improvement? We're on a waiting list to see a developmental ped but it's a 5 month wait and given the recent escalation in behaviors I'm in need of support!

thanks all
post #2 of 8
We went GF first, about 3 month before adding casein. Gluten was FAR more dramatic than adding casein to our no eat list. Casein took a while before we looked back after maybe a month and noticed a subtle difference. It mostly tamed his aggression.
post #3 of 8
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Thank you for sharing that! I keep running into "we pulled dairy and within a week we could tell the difference" or "remove dairy first because you'll be encouraged to remove gluten after seeing the difference"... and here we are, not seeing a difference.

I reallized the GF side must help though after dd1 went back to preschool... I took advantage of the "break" to indulge in a few gluten goodies (bagles mostly) and since dd2 didn't test positive for celiac I was letting her have a bagel too. DH and I didn't put the bagel treats and the massive meltdowns together at first but then it became kind of obvious... which is when we started considering the various dietary options. SCD seemed a bit to much, but gf/cf seemed doable and now here we are.

I'd planned to give it a one month test... maybe I'll make it a two month test? She's been more or less GF since dd1's diagnosis, so about two years now.
post #4 of 8
I know I have heard that most kids with dairy issues have soy issues too, but it sounds like you're on to that already. Did you do any sort of milk substitute? Rice milk by chance....?
post #5 of 8
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Originally Posted by APToddlerMama View Post
I know I have heard that most kids with dairy issues have soy issues too, but it sounds like you're on to that already. Did you do any sort of milk substitute? Rice milk by chance....?
And on that note, you may not have eliminated products where soy is IN the product instead of BEING the product--ya know? So it may be in the list of ingredients but it's not the main/major ingredient (making it taste different/cost more).
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Gluten was FAR more dramatic than adding casein to our no eat list. Casein took a while before we looked back after maybe a month and noticed a subtle difference.
This is the experience we've had with DD(5). Gluten causes her to have massive emotional meltdowns/whining/extreme auditory sensitivity within minutes, seriously. Casein makes her constipated, and makes her tummy ache, and gives her a slight rash on her butt. We're trying to cut out soy now, but it's so hard it's in almost all her favorite treats now!
post #7 of 8
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We're actually not trying to eliminate soy... initially I tried to replace our dairy staples (yogurt, cheese) with soy versions but in terms of taste/texture they were an immediate no-go. But it wasn't really because of the soy content, it was just the products themselves not fitting. We've never used dairy for drinking... DH is very lactose intolerant, I've never liked the taste... we generally cycle through the various almond, rice, hemp, soy, oat "milks" for cereal and just drink water when we're thirsty.

Hmmmm... we've been taking gf/cf probiotic tabs but we used to eat yogurt several times a day (homemade, really tangy, sometimes with a little honey or jam but often plain). I wonder if the reduction in dietary probiotics could be part of the reason we're not seeing any change?
post #8 of 8
My husband is really dairy sensitive and the change didn't happen over night. It was seriously like he was going off of a drug. He was miserable for a couple of weeks until he was used to the dairy being out of his system. I do remember reading in Jenny McCarthy's book "Warrior Mothers" that a lot parents said that when they tried elimination diets with their autistic kids that the symptoms actually got worse for a bit and then got better. This has been my experience with all of the elimination diets we've tried on my husband for rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue syndrome. In fact, he's coming off a big detox that started a couple of weeks ago after we took out a whole bunch of things. It was really bad. He's been pulling out though and slowly getting better. This has just been my experience though. Once DH was off dairy for a while, he started to have more energy, less allergies, and lost some weight. We now eat 60-80% raw vegan and that has helped A LOT as well. We're still tinkering with his diet, but corn, tomatoes, and potatoes seem to be big culprits. Are there other foods your daughters seem sensitive to? Good luck!
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