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Advice: How to parent when others don't?

post #1 of 55
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With the holidays approaching, I'm anxious and thinking there should definitely be a new social contract/rule drawn up regarding parenting: Under 5 must supervise- over six then watch and sit; If you didn't comply with the rule of 5, then don't lie- your kid needs to be supervised. Whats bring this about...I'm in a pickle.

Since becoming parents, my husband and I decided to be very interactive parents. We plainly believed that all children misbehaved and need to be guided to proper/polite behavior; we also believed the one(s) responsible for such guidance were the parents. Moreover, if its quality you want its quality you have to give- in essence, you only get what you put in. Following this line of reasoning, if unsupervised, our child would interact improperly with others, would not receive adequate instruction regarding behavior and would continue to behave improperly to the detriment of themselves and others.

This was/is the rationale behind us watching our child during social interactions, trips to the park/playground & various get togethers; oddly enough we received criticism for this. Nevertheless, we continued with our plans and found to our dismay at almost all our functions one or several kids would be running amuck causing havoc without any guidance or retribution. Because of this, we had to deal with annoying social situations where an unruly child would be rude to our child or disrupt the harmony of the group while the parent(s) enjoyed themselves.

Its so awful and draining at times to provide positive social interactions for our child with this situation. So I am left to wonder: Are these inattentive parents inattentive because they had to keep dealing with the chaos brought on by unguided/unwatched children so much so that they rather ignore the situation and disengage. I know thats how we feel sometimes.

I understand now more than ever why child rearing is so difficult, it doesn't matter what kid of time, or effort you put into you child- they still learn from others. And not just in the monkey see monkey do but in a more significantly way: they learn BY others. The constant exposure to disruptiveness cause the child themselves to become disruptive especially if they have been taught what is acceptable and just and they don't RECEIVE that in turn- eventually they like everyone else get fed up/react with agitation.

The pathways of thinking/ emotions that become the quickest(most utilized/drawn upon) are those that have been experienced often(most frequented). If an individual experience negative situations often, the emotions/thoughts that become frequently used and therefore more familiar are negative. This is why people who suffer from a reactionary depression(becoming depressed over something that happens- commonly over something others would experience as depressing- death, divorce etc) can eventually become chemically depressed(the biochemicals in the brain remain at a state that produce depression without a catalyst/ a depressing event taking place).

I'm trying to produce positive feelings people, positive thinking, a positive child, a positive person. Having my child become angry at being treated unfairly( typically without any punishment/guidance for the offending child) isn't part of that plan. He gets so angry when he is held accountable for the same actions that go unpunished/unreprimanded by others. So i am left here, trying to explain to a 2 year old to control his anger/behavior despite the behavior of others- although thats appropriate its difficult for most adults to do- he's 2(well 3 in Jan)!

To avoid this(him being treated badly, being bad in turn, and getting angry for getting punished for it) we leave, or don't attend functions, and he gets hurt- he just wants friends even if they are being mean/rude. Obviously this(leaving/not attending) isn't working either. So I'm tired of parents undermining my parenting, interfering with my hard work. Tired of other parents not being parents and making this situation a reality. Not only am I left pissed off and out of ideas(I'm a new parent), I'm left asking: what the hell do I do now????
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I suppose I should make it clear, if I haven't already done so- I am talking about children misbehaving, running wild, creating problems, AND not being corrected; parents who don't demand manners/civility from their children-who ignore their kid- ignore their obligations. I'm not talking about parents who repeatedly correct their child- they are doing their job & it takes time- i know this as mine misbehaves too.
post #2 of 55
This sounds a bit harsh, while I completely agree that a lot of parents when in social interactions seem to kinda forget that their kid is around and kids do get a bit wild, it has never been anything that would make me want to leave or not attend a social event. Actually, if I leave is because my own almost 18 month old has had enough and sometimes we've all had enough. I love my daughter and I'm always with her and try to enrich her life with positive experiences and teach her how to be kind, gentle, respectful, but also spontaneous, fun and outspoken. When we're at at event s with other parents, I mostly do it for her and the opportunity to interact with other kids. I think she gains more than I do, even if the kids fight over a toy or somebody pushes her or whatever. She might get upset, but I don't want to paint a pretty picture that everything is wonderful and great and everyone will always be nice, because the ugly is part of the beauty of this crazy world and I think is important that she gets to experience this. I, also, don't fool myself into thinking that is always the other child, sometimes is my child and it has nothing to do with the fact that I co-sleep, still breastfeed, babywear, feed her fruits and veggies, read to her, hug and kiss her and all those good things, but that's she's 18M and sometimes the best way she has to express "I really like that toy, can I please play with it?", is by snatching it from a kid's hands and screaming "Mine!", but yes the difference is I'm right there and this is yet another wonderful moment to try and teach her a better way of going about that.

Don't get me wrong, it does bother me when parents either don't watch their child or do absolulety nothing when they do something they shouldn't right in front their eyes and then kinda explode into a screaming spank threatening match. It doesn't bother me, because of how it affects my kid, I think that kind of thinking is a little selfsih, it bothers me because of their own kid. So I've become the mom that spends pretty much all the time playing with whatever kids my daughter is playing with and usually that's more than enough to keep the harmony. I enjoy being with my daughter at all times and honestly I prefer interacting with the kids than with the parents.

Right now we have some of DP's friends staying over for the weekend. They have a 2 month old daughter and a 2 year old. The mom always goes outside for cigarettes and just leaves the kids, when I pick her baby up and walk her or make silly faces at her to keep her happy. I'm not doing it for the mom, I'm doing it for the baby. Her "oh wow, thank you, you're so helpful", doesn't mean anything. When I play with her son and my daughter all morning and make them laugh and keep them happy while she's out doing I don't know what. I'm enjoying it and I know that my daughter is enjoying it too and so it's the boy and no, the whole time it's not harmonious and nice, but is worth it.
post #3 of 55
yes, see i understand the frustration, i feel it sometimes too. that said i dont control the world and i cannot make everyone do things my way. does it suck when we have to tell our kid she cant do something when other kids are...sure. but its not that big of a deal either. and she is only 2.5.

this is an important message by the way, that sometimes other people do things and seemingly get away with it BUT you still cant. why? because its what they are going to see all over the world as they get older. is it right? perhaps not but id rather have my kid get that in small doses now before she becomes a teen and faces bigger misbehavior. i want her to get why she shouldnt do something. (we wait our turn so everyone can have fun) or (we dont swing sticks around because you could really hurt someone) and so on. this lesson isnt that she only has to follow the rules because if she doesnt she'll get punished, its that she has to follow the rules because she should be considerate of everyone's feelings and safety.

in the case she keeps trying, i simply say, "hey, kiddo, i know youre frustrated you want to do (whatever) because you see those kids doing it. But (whatever) could hurt someone or you, and i cant allow it. lets find something fun and safe to do." does that mean we sometimes have to leave an area? yes. but c'est la vie. honestly focusing on the fairness of it is only going to upset you more because im sorry but there is little you can do to control the issue. barring real safety concerns there is little you can do to MAKE other people discipline their kids the way you want. and again, trust me i get it...it sucks, its unfair, its frustrating. but so is life sometimes. the point is to still enjoy it.

and to be honest, to me it sounds as if you over focused on it. i dont know you or the area you live in but my daughter and i get out quite a bit and while occasionally we encounter the situation you speak of...its pretty rare that its so bad that i spend any more time on it that a fleeting..."wow thats annoying."

do you have any other friends with kids with similar outlooks? that can help. oftentimes, my daughter is too focused on keeping track of her buddy to realize that this kid or that kid is up to something she isnt allowed to do.
post #4 of 55
I think I would look at this as a learning opportunity for your DS. Sometimes things aren't fair & the world isn't just, so we need to learn how to interact in those situations. If you can model appropriate responses, he will learn what to do when those situations inevitably arise.

I'm lucky in that everyone in my group of friends is an amazing parent. Of course kids are kids and many are a little free-range & things can get a bit out of control and those that have 2+ kids can't be everywhere at once, but when situations erupt (arguments that seem beyond what the kids can handle etc.), they are right there intervening as soon as they are aware of the situation. I think it's wonderful & certainly makes our get-togethers much more pleasant. Maybe you can find a group like this too, or maybe I just lucked out. But I do think it is our job as parents to show our kids how to respond when things don't go the way they 'should'... It's a lot harder for DS to sit calmly & attentively at story hour, for ex., when the other kids are running around and going nuts, but when he's able to do it DESPITE all that, when I'm able to help him accomplish that, then I feel I've really taught him something valuable. When he's able to share even when it's not reciprocated, then he's learned something amazing about giving.

I hope I'm making sense here & I certainly understand your frustrations but I hope that reframing this as an opportunity rather than an obstacle might help you be more creative in how you react to these situations.

Also, I'm not really sure exactly what type of behavior you're expecting from the parents. I don't think micromanaging every interaction & demanding perfect manners every second etc. is helpful to the kids, but I do expect other parents to intervene if their kid is repeatedly violent toward another kid or something. I think kids can work things out on their own way more than we give them credit for, but the parents do need to be in ear shot of very young children until they are confident that no huge problems will arise.
post #5 of 55
QUOTE]Since becoming parents, my husband and I decided to be very interactive parents. We plainly believed that all children misbehaved and need to be guided to proper/polite behavior; we also believed the one(s) responsible for such guidance were the parents. Moreover, if its quality you want its quality you have to give- in essence, you only get what you put in. Following this line of reasoning, if unsupervised, our child would interact improperly with others, would not receive adequate instruction regarding behavior and would continue to behave improperly to the detriment of themselves and others.[/QUOTE]

I have a different way of seeing it...

Since becoming parents, my husband and I decided not to micromanage our children. We plainly believe that kids are good, will interact well with others and will work thing out on their own and seek guidance from us parents if they need it. We also believe that kids should feel comfortable to come seek guidance without fear of being punished, and believe that they will do so. We believe that kids learn each others limits and learn to adapt to different people and situations when they are left on their own to do so.

My question to you is who decides what is a positive experience? You, or the children? Who decides when chaos begins? Who decides when kids "running amok" are just having fun or are out of control? I have four kids, the 3 oldest are boys... My normal may very well be another person's Chaos. From the outside some interactions might look negative when they are if fact very positive.

In my circle of friends kids are encouraged to be kids, to play and have fun and work things out together and come see the parents if they need help without fear of retribution. They have learned to adapt to situations and know what is acceptable and where...Each place has different "rules", each person has different limits and the kids know that somethings work differently depending on where you are and who you are with...

I can't imagine not being in the kitchen helping a friend out with a party, or sitting around the table talking while the kids all play together and have fun... I also can't imagine having a parent watching over my every move as a kid and stepping in whenever something wasn't to their liking.
post #6 of 55
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Originally Posted by paxye View Post

We plainly believe that kids are good, will interact well with others and will work thing out on their own and seek guidance from us parents if they need it. We also believe that kids should feel comfortable to come seek guidance without fear of being punished, and believe that they will do so. We believe that kids learn each others limits and learn to adapt to different people and situations when they are left on their own to do so.

My question to you is who decides what is a positive experience? You, or the children? Who decides when chaos begins? Who decides when kids "running amok" are just having fun or are out of control? I have four kids, the 3 oldest are boys... My normal may very well be another person's Chaos. From the outside some interactions might look negative when they are if fact very positive.

In my circle of friends kids are encouraged to be kids, to play and have fun and work things out together and come see the parents if they need help without fear of retribution. They have learned to adapt to situations and know what is acceptable and where...Each place has different "rules", each person has different limits and the kids know that somethings work differently depending on where you are and who you are with...

I can't imagine not being in the kitchen helping a friend out with a party, or sitting around the table talking while the kids all play together and have fun... I also can't imagine having a parent watching over my every move as a kid and stepping in whenever something wasn't to their liking.
I agree with a lot of this, but I think there's a middle ground between the two. I like to let my daughter roam around and play. When kids come here they usually end up all playing upstairs and parents hang out downstairs or outside. I guess it depends on who's visiting, like I said before a lot of times I prefer my daughter's company haha, but right now with the tiny baby here. I always monitor her interaction with her because I don't want the baby to get hurt. There's no punishment coming, just me showing how to be nice and gentle with the baby.

When she wants to play outside, I'm out there with her, because everything is open and she can run to the street and random people always walk by our "backyard". When we went to a bday party and everyone singing happy birthday and my daughter is running around the house, I'm following her because I don't want her to break anything. When she climbs into the moon bounce at the same party with 7, 5 to 12 year old. I'm watching her from the outside, because the kids playful wrestling and knocking each other down. I know is a little too much for her and when she's ready to come out or gets hurt, I'm there to comfort her.

So I definitely believe in letting kids be kids. I think that's one of the things DP and I kinda have a problem with. I am very laidback, but he gets very bothered by certain things that to me are just a child's natural curiosity.
post #7 of 55
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Originally Posted by paxye View Post
I have a different way of seeing it...

Since becoming parents, my husband and I decided not to micromanage our children. We plainly believe that kids are good, will interact well with others and will work thing out on their own and seek guidance from us parents if they need it. We also believe that kids should feel comfortable to come seek guidance without fear of being punished, and believe that they will do so. We believe that kids learn each others limits and learn to adapt to different people and situations when they are left on their own to do so.

My question to you is who decides what is a positive experience? You, or the children? Who decides when chaos begins? Who decides when kids "running amok" are just having fun or are out of control? I have four kids, the 3 oldest are boys... My normal may very well be another person's Chaos. From the outside some interactions might look negative when they are if fact very positive.

In my circle of friends kids are encouraged to be kids, to play and have fun and work things out together and come see the parents if they need help without fear of retribution. They have learned to adapt to situations and know what is acceptable and where...Each place has different "rules", each person has different limits and the kids know that somethings work differently depending on where you are and who you are with...

I can't imagine not being in the kitchen helping a friend out with a party, or sitting around the table talking while the kids all play together and have fun... I also can't imagine having a parent watching over my every move as a kid and stepping in whenever something wasn't to their liking.
I suppose all of our parenting is based in part of our own experiences as a child. This being the case I would like to respond to the above bolded with my experience.

I don't see how parents paying attention to what is going on with their children is micromanaging. Or perhaps is is...but I guess I don't see the problem. I suppose its because I don't believe that children are good, and I certainly don't believe that interacting well with others is the default. My experience is that kids in groups tend to behave more like in Lord of the Flies. Kids like the feeling of having power over other children, and are often cruel as a result. As a parent I want to know when this is happening to my kid, and I certainly don't want my kid to feel like they have to deal with it alone. Sure kids learn from each others limits...but that learning only signifies growth if the two respect one another, which is often not the case.

My childhood was pretty free range, and as a result I have tons of emotional scars, because the children in my neighborhood,and my school were cruel. No adult protected me. My teacher told me that kids teased me because I deserved it, and that I had to learn how to deal. These scenarios are not healthy for kids, and it is the responsibility of adults to monitor them. If all your kids and the kids of your friends love one another and get along great then you are a very lucky woman...enjoy helping out in the kitchen. But if not than I do not agree with your decision...because it might be a positive experience for you but not the kids.

Its not the chaos that bothers me...kids should be able to run around and be loud and have fun. Sure. But they should not be unsupervised.
post #8 of 55
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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post
I don't see how parents paying attention to what is going on with their children is micromanaging. Or perhaps is is...but I guess I don't see the problem.
I'm not saying that we ignore the kids, but we are not always in the room "supervising" all interactions at all times... We can be upstairs in the kitchen when the kids are in the basement and we can keep an open ear and check in on them...

To be honest many time the dads are with the kids, getting them more riled up then if they weren't there...

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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post
My childhood was pretty free range, and as a result I have tons of emotional scars, because the children in my neighborhood,and my school were cruel. No adult protected me. My teacher told me that kids teased me because I deserved it, and that I had to learn how to deal. These scenarios are not healthy for kids, and it is the responsibility of adults to monitor them.

Again, this is not what I was talking about... I am talking about get togethers in a friends house, or a birthday party, or homeschooling meetings etc... With friends, with family etc...We can all definitely see when things are not going well and we do step in when needed and trust that the kids will come to us when they need... but we don't have to always be in the same room "supervising" every move and interaction as the OP seemed to say...
post #9 of 55
I think this may be one of those situations where you evolve as a parent with one or more children, and as those children get a little older.


My oldest is almost nine. I have absolutely no business supervising every moment of her life at this point.

My toddlers- I watch closely, but I will not swoop in every. single. interaction. to make sure it plays out as though scripted. They need to learn how to interact with peers on their own, and they even need to learn to deal with sometimes not getting what they want and being bullied. I want them to know I will always be there to respond if they ask me to, but I want to stay out of their way as they learn to feel out exactly how to respond.

My toddlers (both boys) are far more physical than my daughter ever was. If I stepped in every time they pushed, touched, tackled, grabbed, etc they would spend more time being 'taught' than learning. When I stay out of the way to watch them learn how to interact together, things usually resolve much better and stay resolved- they have tested the waters and worked it out for themselves, and don't need an adult to fix it all for them.

When they are in group settings, they both do very well with peers. My oldest, whom I handled much more as you describe, does not have the same skills to deal with her peers. I still have to step in pretty regularly as she doesn't have a concept of how not to be victimized by other kids, or how to stand up for herself. I wish I had let her feel that out more on her own when she was quite young, as now it's much more challenging, and frankly, more dangerous for her as she enters preteen/teen years.

There is a middle ground, but there is also the reality that what works for one kid would be terrible for another.
post #10 of 55
I find myself wanting a few more details from the OP, perhaps an example of the kind of situation she believe needed parental intervention (ages of kids, situation, what exactly happened). One person's runnaing amok is another person's children playing happily. So I'm not sure if we're talking about two year olds using loud voices while they play, five year olds throwing lamps at one another's heads, or nine year olds accessing the adult channels on cable.

More specifics please?
post #11 of 55
I think your expectations of other people are awfully high. Maybe I misunderstood the OP.

I dont constantly supervise or micromanage my 2 year old. She is never left alone, but I do allow her to try and work things out on her own. To my surprise, she does the right thing most of the time. I think some of the most valuble lessons will be learned with out me controlling the situation.

Being a chronically ill mother, sometimes I have to pick my battles for the day, and it just isnt worth it sometimes, but there is always another day to tackle another issue. What I am saying is sometimes you dont know what mind frame the parent is in. Somedays, as long as my child isnt in danger or putting other kids in danger, then everything else is secondary, and can be dealt with some other time. Life still goes on, and we still need to get out of the house, inspite of how I feel everyday.

Sincerely, THAT parent.

If these kids/parents are really that bad, then maybe you should seek like minded parents, and arrange playdates. I just havent really run into the issue of having a problem with how other parents manage their children to the point of avoiding people and places.
post #12 of 55
consider this - i have a set of twins, who will be 2 in january. i have no help. my husband works, our families are 2 and 3 hours away.

they really need to be out of the house sometimes. i bring them to playgrounds, parks, and a gymboree-type thing. since there's only one of me and two of them, well... someone is going to go roaming, and might get into a little trouble. of course i'll run over and intervene if something really weird or dangerous is going on, and of course i always have an eye on both of them. but it's generally impossible for me to hover over them to make sure that they are behaving perfectly well every second.
post #13 of 55
I have been reading your posts several times by now and I am not sure, I am imagining the same situations as you are. Maybe our neighborhoods are very different?

Generally I find myself astonished and annoyed by the amount parents are involved in their kids play. To give an example: My son, 12months, was running around the playground and a 2.5 year old approached him, and touched him. Friendly. Immediately, his mom shouted: "Don't attack the baby. Leave the baby alone. " The boy retracted, confused. All talking to the mom and child, that my son is fine and it's ok to touch, lead to nothing.

For me, this is a very typical situation, that kids are interested in playing with my child, but parents intervene any kind of interaction with kids, that are not of the same age.

Another situation: we were at the park, just chilling. A father arrives with his daughter. The daughter was happy, a bit loud maybe. The dad scolds her: "Don't disturb the other people". The dad wanted the daughter to ride her bike - that's why he came to the park with her, but she wanted to run around. The dad again intervenes: "You need to ride your bike". Daughter starts crying. Dad: "When you don't behave right now, we're leaving". 2min later they are leaving the park...

Honestly, I have tons of scenes in my head where parents are micromanaging their kids, they don't trust their kids, the kids don't trust themselves.

I was a free-range child, I ran around, and sometimes scolded, if I did something bad. If I ran into a situation I couldn't handle, I spoke with my parents and they would help out or advice me. I remember for instance a boy, that used to be mean to me on the way to school.

I would like for my children to grow up free-range, I had such a good time not being controlled by adults. It was great. But I could always trust that my parents would be there if need be. Or they would talk with me, if I had done something bad.
post #14 of 55
OP, I am totally with you. My 17 month old son is slowly recovering from an injury sustained when an unsupervised 2.5 year old shoved him off of playground equipment. The other child's mother was halfway across the blasted park and didn't even see it happen. I think it's pretty basic and reasonable to expect parents to make some effort to supervise their toddlers. Parents can't prevent every accident, but they can prevent some accidents if they watch their kids. More important, if they are nearby they can talk to the kid after the fact about why it's not ok, and nip this behavior in the toddler years, so they don't learn that it's ok to push around other kids to get their way. The age of the kids you're talking about is key to me - and the OP said clearly she thinks constant supervision is the right idea for kids under 5. She's not talking about breathing down the neck of an 8 year old who wants to play alone. I don't see supervising toddlers as "hovering" or "micromanaging" as some here have said. I see it as just the opposite: if you stay involved when they are young, the goal is to teach them kindness so when they are older, you can trust them enough that you don't *need* to be right on top of them all the time.
post #15 of 55
Ummm, not so sure I understand your post.....Are you talking about children "running wild" during holiday parties? How old is your child? Kids get excited at parties and tend to run around. Personally I think it's cute, not misbehavior. My children would not be corrected for that. Families have different standards and rules and the best thing to do is teach your child that in a compassionate NON Judgmental way.

I'm also assuming by your judgmental tone, you have one child, most likely under the age of three. When you have more then one child it is just plain not possible to watch them all, all of the time. My kids aren't even as close in age as some peoples and I have had 3 children under the age of 5. How pray tell do you keep an eye on all three of them all them time? Or even just two of them all while nursing a baby? I have had my toddlers almost fall off something at a play ground, because I was dealing with my preschooler/breastfeeding a baby. I'm happy another parent was there to help them. That is called community.

Kids are kids, sometimes they get hurt, sometimes they misbehave. I'm not going to turn into a helicopter parent just because you are. I don't agree with it. If a child is doing something dangerous and a parent does see tell them, or tell the child to stop. But don't stand up on a high horse like your a better parent because your following your child around like a hawk. That's your choice and you have the right to do as you see fit, but other parents are not "not parenting" just because they aren't following their child's every move. They just are doing things differently from you.
Personally I like my kids to discover things and learn from their own mistakes. I think this is a very helpful skill for children to learn at a young age. A playground can be a safe place to do this. And what is so wrong with kids running around while parents enjoy themselves??? Being a mother is hard, particularly when you have been doing it for many years already. Sometimes a mom really needs a few minutes of chatting with a friend to refresh herself. What is so wrong with that?
post #16 of 55
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you live in a very different area from my own. Where I live parents are notorious for over-managing children and being so called helicopter parents. Children aren't allowed to be creative when it comes to playground equipment and are even told to show off in front of other parents (yesterday at the park there was one father who told his DD to count in French to show a friend of his and 'teach' his DD French even though both kids did not seem excited at all at the prospect). It's not every parent out there but there are definitely quite a few who seemed to be very big micromanagers.

I've also seen those who overreact to situations that are age appropriate. Once I was putting away DD's snack and she ran to a part of the playground that is for much bigger kids that she's not supposed to go on without me. I think she thought I was right behind her but once she got to the top of the stairs she realized her mistake and tried to turn around. However, there was a long line of kids blocking her path. She got really upset and confused and hit the girl in front of her. Obviously, she shouldn't of done that but immediately the mom of the other child (the kid was perfectly fine, not crying or anything) starting yelling at DD and screamed "oh no she didn't!". I had just gotten over to DD when I saw her hit the girl and clearly had told her that she wasn't supposed to hit and was able to guide her to a slide to get her down from there. So while what DD did was wrong, I still think that other parent was very much overreacting. If you blow up every time your child gets hit/pushed/another kid doesn't share etc the child never learns how to deal with these situations themselves and can actually become more sensitive.

DD tends to follow around older kids and, yeah, sometimes they've hit her or have even bullied her a little (one time a girl was telling her that DD couldn't play with her because only princesses could use this particular slide and DD wasn't a princess ). I try to assess to the situation to see if DD needs me or not and intervene if she does but if not I let her deal with it on her own. Many times she'll just leave the kid alone and find something else to do. If I were to step in every time she wouldn't learn this for herself.


For some reason there's a myth in AP that if you do all the right things your kid will never be aggressive and automatically know how to properly deal with social interactions. However, many of these behaviors are age appropriate and even the best parents have kids that can be aggressive. Obviously, you need to correct your child and remind them to be gentle but there is something to be said for self-learning. Just as kids learn to crawl/walk on their own if you model good social interactions kids learn from them (there are actually studies that show that parents that fight in front of their kids and the kids see how parents resolve their conflicts, then those kids are actually better at resolving their own disputes latter in life... see Nutureshock).

I agree with others that specific examples are useful. For me kids running wild... well, that's what they do at the playground. The reason we go to the playground is get out her energy and what better way to do that is running around! However, we went with DH to the chiropractor's this weekend and it's in his home and then we don't let DD run wild because there are breakable things and you have to respect someone's property. So it's all about balance and assessing what is appropriate in every specific situation.

I think the most important thing is parenting is trying to give others the benefit of the doubt. You don't know what's going on with that parent/child on that specific day. It's easy to judge when you only have one child. Especially if you have a partner to help or family nearby. But sometimes those few minutes chatting with another parent at the playground are exactly what someone needs to make it through the day and be a better parent in the long run. In the end most of us are trying to do the best for our kids but that doesn't mean we all come to the same conclusions on what is best for our kids. Just look at how many different forums there are here for schools and you'll see that even in the AP community there are number of different schools of thoughts on how to raise kids!!!
post #17 of 55
I don't like that you state that people who give their young kids some freedom of movement and play aren't parenting their children. They aren't following your beliefs about how much parents should interact with their kids, but maybe they just have a different opinion. I don't see why a child should have to be 6 before you can just sit and watch them play together. I honestly think that's a ridiculous assumption, that 4-year-olds can't play while being watched and have to be actually interacted with during play. I definitely let my kids play among other kids without my interference well before 6, and I do that because I think that's healthy and more fun for them.
post #18 of 55
Like the other posters, I'm not clear on your meaning. Knowing some examples, ages of children, etc. will be helpful. But taking your post as it stands, it appears to me that you are micromanaging your children and expect other parents to do the same. I give my children a lot of free rein to explore and learn how to interact with other children. That can appear to others as non-supervision. But in reality, it's just not their idea of supervision. But without specifics, I can't tell if we are in some kind of agreement or not; if it's just a matter of degree, experience, or perspective.
post #19 of 55
As with everything, there's a whole lot of middle ground between helicopter and free-range parenting.

We're more free-range, but there are times I must appear to be a total helicopter mom. At storyhour, V is the youngest kiddo who is walking, and she is very drawn to the older toddlers' faces. I'm on her like white on rice when the kids play together before and after storyhour, because she's simply not capable of keeping out of trouble. If I free-ranged her, there would be bloodshed.

At home and in small social settings, I'm pretty hands-off. I physically redirect her when safety and property destruction things crop up, but otherwise let her do whatever lunatic thing she thinks she needs to. If you peeked into my home at any given point, you'd assume I'm raising a feral beastchild.

I think mental chanting the mantra: "Middle ground. Middle ground." is very helpful, especially followed by a healthy dose of: "I'm not the boss of anyone but my own kids, nor am I smarter or a better parent."
post #20 of 55
I'm actually more concerned about this comment...


"I'm trying to produce positive feelings people, positive thinking, a positive child, a positive person. Having my child become angry at being treated unfairly( typically without any punishment/guidance for the offending child) isn't part of that plan."

I know the desire, especially with a first child, but you CANNOT offer only positive feelings, positive thinking, and positive people in your child's life. To expect that is unreasonable for the rest of us mere humans who want nothing more than to offer our children a life, safe, happy, and full of diverse people. Offering only good things means that your child will only face disappointment when it is too late. You will not be able to protect him all the time from all the negative, and if he hasn't dealt with it before he is school aged, then there are going to be explosive, or completely devastating reactions to it. A child learns that not all kids do the right things, and this is GOOD. A child learns that life isn't fair and this is GOOD. These are good things because it allows them to experience a small amount of what we as adults feel, and isn't that the ultimate goal, to teach our children how to be happy in the world they will be living in as an adult, after we can no longer control every interaction? This attitude of "only positive" really concerns me for your child. I know you are trying to do what is best, but please know that a little disappointment, a little unfairness, seen by your child is a GOOD thing. I have 4 kids, and one thing you learn with more children is that you cannot control every situation, there is just one mom and 4 kids, so things are going to get missed. If a child is never allowed to test out their ability in conflict resolution, they will never learn how to resolve conflicts.

I, like the others, would like to know what you mean, specific behaviors, that you are describing as "kids running wild".
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