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post #1 of 12
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DD was an only child for 6 1/2 years. She started asking for a sibling when she was 2. She didn't get one until long after we'd planned our second child.

She is a very intelligent, observant, spirited and sensitive child. At school and in extra-curricular activities, when playing with friends etc, she is polite, friendly, helpful and cooperative.

I was very ill after DS's birth. Things did not go at all the way they'd been planned and it took me months to recover physically. I'm still recovering emotionally. I suspect that DD is too.

At home, with both DH and myself, but especially with me, DD is...difficult to be with. She is very demanding about wanting attention, she gets very angry when we require her to do things (simple chores that she's done without complaint for three or four years), and if we express anger or frustration, instead of acknowledging that she has made a poor choice/mistake, says things like "I know, I'm stupid" or "You just think I'm stupid and you hate me", or "You'd like it if I just went away forever wouldn't you".

When she is angry or has been told that she can't do something (and I have always explained the reasons behind 'no' answers), she tries to kick, hit, bite etc and will scream over and over "I hate you, I hate you" or "You're a mean, nasty old woman"

She has NEVER been told she's stupid or that we hate her. We have always focused on the behaviour rather than the person (for negative things). We talk about the affect her choices have on the family (both positive and negative). She gets a lot of attention. I am a shouter (I'm loud in my excitement and pleasure as well as in my anger), and I have not been at my 'stellar best' over the last six months.

She adores her baby brother, and can say and do the sweetest things. When I told her teacher that we'd been having some issues with anger and demanding attention, her teacher was amazed and clarified that we were actually talking about the same child (it was the start of the school year).

She seems to feel that she's entitled to so much (material goods, time and attention to the exclusion of the needs of others) and that DH and I should be waiting on her hand and foot. She doesn't seem to realise that most other children are expected to do much more than she does, and are not treated with the respect that she is.

I have always enjoyed being with DD until recently. We've always done fun things together, and enjoyed each others company. Now we seem to be adversaries all the time. I'm getting very burned out. And if she's like this now, what will she be like as a teenager?
Any words of wisdom?
post #2 of 12
I'm sure you'll find some helpful support here. Hang in there mama.

She seems so angry. Do you have any sense where her anger is coming from? Sibling rivalry? Fear? Is there an unmet need that is causing her to act in this way? ??

post #3 of 12

Sounds like you've got a lot going on.
My child is only 6 but starting to demonstrate a lot of what you've described. It may be a "stage".

Do you get your daughter involved in setting her own chores & consequences of not doing them? Maybe if she has some control over things like that it will help.

Not sure what else to say. Just wanting to lend some support.
post #4 of 12
At her age, you can really take advantage of communication skills and techniques to try and work through these issues. I'm sure you already know that her behaviour is merely a reflection/manifestation of underlying issues/conflicts/hurt feelings and she's having a very hard time understanding them and coping with them.

There are a few great books out there. One I can heartily recommend is Harville Hendrix's "Giving the Love that Heals: a guide for parents". He has a very specific method of dialogue that ensures each person gets heard and understood, and helps you work down to the core issues. He gives many examples of situations you'll find yourself in with your child, and how to deal with them.

Another good book is "How to Talk so Kids Will Listen..." by Adele Farber. She also gives many, many examples of situations with children, and how communication skills can really help get past the surface stuff to the real issues. This doesn't go into the psychology part of it as much as Hendrix's book, but it is very practical.


HTH!
post #5 of 12
Hey, Hang in there!

My second child is 7.... she is the oldest daughter and the oldest sister. I have a 12 yr old son and then 3 girls, 7yo, 5 yo and 14 mos. She is also treated with respect and not asked to do slave labour but is expexted to help.... "We are a team and a family you know!" I ask my children to help out and pull some weight with keeping common areas clean, their own rooms, etc. They are also expected to nurture and care for each other if I am otherwise engaged, ie. nursing the baby and a younger one needs help getting juice out of the fridge or someone skins a knee and I am not around. We start to expect a reciprocal relationship as our kids get older. Not exactly 50/50..... but maybe 80/20 the grownps should be giving more always. But I expect that out of love for me and others in the family my kids won't protest so much and be kind to one another, helpful and understanding to others in the family including myself. I am mommy afterall, not servant!

My five year old is much more nurturing to her older sister (and everyone else for that matter) than the older sister (7 yo) is to the younger. So, it may be a stage thing, or a personallity thing. My 5 yo wants 10 kids and to stay at home. My 7 yo wants to be an artist, world traveler and isn't sure she ever wants children.

I can tell you my 7 yo daughter is much happier with me, loving and caring when I make a point to take her a couple of places a week w/out sisters/brothers or babies!!! Just a 45 min trip to the library will do or 30 of snuggle time in my bed w/out the nurseling helps.

Good Luck, mama of four grt kidos
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the support. I've got the 'How to talk...' book on reserve at the library, so I'll look forward to reading that.

At this point, it almost seems as though DD wants me to be cross with her. I know there's an unmet need, but I really can't work out what it is. We've had some talks about why she does things, and how she feels, but she doesn't seem to know what's driving her either.

I know things are quite different with a baby in the house. But she does get lots of positive attention (and sometimes it's really hard to identify the good!). And I'm just so frustrated saying the same things repeatedly
post #7 of 12
{{{{{{{{{FullCream}}}}}}}}}}} I just wanted to commiserate with you. My dd got a sister when she was just a little over 6 (12/96 and 3/03) after having asked for one for several years. She really loves her and is glad she's here, but of course she didn't truly understand the ramifications of having a sibling until she actually got one. She and I have actually gotten into loud yelling fights about her "issues" and these do seem to help. Not that I am advocating hollering, but we do seem to get to the heart of the matter after everybody lets off a little steam. She has been able to voice feeling "like it's hard to share you" recently. One thing I found that was helpful was suggested by another mama here. I gave her a little vial of Bach's holly flower remedy. It's for jealous feelings. I told her she could take it whenever she felt jealous. She seemed awfully pleased when I gave it to her and has taken it a few times. It seems that she makes sure I notice she is taking it! :LOL

Sometimes during the conversations we have after one of our shouting matches (the most recent was over the baby's birthday party : ), I am able to convey to her what it means to be loved and how that is shown. Reminding her of what is done for her that indicates she is loved seems to help. She is a very good little reader and likes to receive notes from me. She can hang on to them and look at them later.

I'm sorry you are having a hard time recovering from the birth. I had a very traumatic birth as well and know how that can contribute to things. It certainly makes things more emotionally charged. I know that almost losing my baby makes me more anxious about her well being and I'm afraid that may be misinterpreted by my older daughter.

I know what you mean about her being hard to be around. It's sad, isn't it? My dd has been hard to be around from the git go, though, so that is ongoing for me!

I don't if any of this is helpful, but I did want you to know you are not alone. Good luck!
post #8 of 12
Hmmmm, I have a Dec 96 daughter and I am going through just about exactly what you have described. The thought has crossed my mind to seek profesional help, but when I ask anyone else who knows her, they look at me like I am crazy because to them, she is a sweet, wondeful, well behaved child. She saves all of her negativity for DH, DS, and myself I guess. I am assuming it is because it's where she feels safe enough to do that.

I have the "How to talk" book but haven't read it in about 5 years. Perhaps I should re-read it. I know I am not much help: just wanted to let you know you aren't alone.
post #9 of 12
Hi, I too have a dd , she's 8 now and this all sounds pretty familiar. I have to agree that communication skills, doing things together for fun (getting to know and falling inlove with dd again) and trying to get things done but without the drama (eg. You want to have your friend over to play this afternoon but I can't let anyone in this room, it's dangerous hahaha as opposed to ,etc) a little humour can go along way...I see a little smile in there ...but I'm still in the same boat sometimes no matter what I do: Best of Luck
post #10 of 12
This sounds like a stage that needs to be worked though. MY 7 1/2 yo is going through the same thing and we haven't had any changes in our lives. She's also starting to get oily skin, and occasionally needs deoderant, but the attitude changed first.

-Heather
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
oh wow moondiapers, i am SOO not ready for puberty. i think i'd actually prefer it to be my fault!! 7 still seems so young. i still loved dolls, climbing trees, swinging and making up songs until i was 12.

dh and i are reading 'kids are worth it' and realised that we've changed from back-bone family into brick-wall family (not entirely, but too much). we've stopped letting dd take ownership of her mistakes and responsibility for her behaviour. and i need to make more of an effort to spend time doing fun things with her. which seems really hard when i feel so tired and down a lot of the time. but she is just SOO worth it.

nak
post #12 of 12
The onset of puberty is slow, don't worry. The same thing happened to me as a child and I started AF when I was 11. I played with dolls until I was almost 13 Just because a little girl is showing the signs of begining puberty doesn't make her a woman, she is still a little girl. Watch her panties when you do her laundry. Anywhere from 1 month to 6 months before she starts her first period she'll start having discharge of some kind. This is a good way to know when to buy her her own supplies. I'm sure you have plenty of time yet, especially if she is a slender child. Estrogen is stored in body fat and girls with less body fat are more likely to start AF later than girls that are a bit on the full figured side. My dd is very slender, you could bounce a quarter off of her abs. She's built exactly like my sister, who started at 14. I was on the chunkier side and started just after my 11th b-day. Though some girls are starting at 8 and 9. My aunt's children are 9 and 10 years old and both have been young women for over a year now, but that runs in their father's family too.

Ok, it must be late because I'm rambling...but my point is that the onset of puberty can literally take years.

-Heather
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