Nimbly Gnoshing our way through November Chat! - Page 29

[True Blue]

CS, glad to hear all went well, though those moments at the end must have been SCARY!!! :hug

Well, DS's eczema is back.  Not a lot, but it's there.  I think he has so many causes of it.   Sigh.  It was definitely super bad in the weeks up to removing sals though, so I think they play a part.  We'll find out as we add them back in, I guess.  I wanted to try him on cheese tonight, but he didn't like my cheesebread pizza (no sauce lol).  He liked the breadsticks though and ate them in garlic butter.  He didn't seem to get extra sniffly from the butter, though, so that's a triumph!  It will be SO nice to use butter again.  Easy, readily available, etc.  The nutritionist did say it's only like 1% casein so he was likely to be ok with it...I'm glad he seems to be.  One less roadblock!  Maybe I'll try grilled cheese tomorrow, he likes those.  I didn't think of that til just now LOL.  Luckily he's not a huge cheese eater, so he's not missing out that bad, but he would love a pizza every now and then, and probably some mac & cheese (with real cheese, so there's no milk in it, I guess?  Maybe he has to pass on that one lol).

DD went nuts tonight.  We were playing and she was fine, then I put pj's on her and she suddenly decided a few minutes later she didn't want them.  She basically cried for 30 minutes or so, and then wanted me to come back upstairs to put her to bed (DH was up and down trying to entertain her while I cooked, but she was only happy while someone ran around with her).  So, she went to sleep at 6:15!!!  I don't know if she's just exhausted from being sick this week, or it's the pinch of dried blueberries I ate.  I know, they are bad, but my Tierra Farms order came in and I just couldn't resist a taste of those blueberries...so yummy.  Then again, I guess a pinch of dried berries is close to a scant handful? 

[Theloose]

Amy, do the pj's have flame retardants?

[True Blue]

I was about give a resounding "no" when I realized he does have some fleece footies now, he's sooo cold natured when it comes to nighttime.  He also has fleece pj pants.  Are they treated?  I know they say 'flame-resistant' but I always thought that when it came to fleece, it was the nature of the polyester that made them flame-resistant...am I wrong?  I never researched it.  Otherwise everything else is 100% cotton.

[tanyalynn]

Argh on how the new board quotes (or doesn't--I usually start multi-quoting but don't know when my last multi quote will be, and what if it's on the last page? argh).

Shannon--I thought the chicken liver recipe was yours.  It was a while back, I've been scared of the whole liver thing for a long time but I finally asked DH to pick up a couple pounds of chicken liver last week when he got eggs, so it's waiting in my freezer.  It'll be after Thanksgiving before I actually do it though.  I don't know anything about spreads for sandwiches, I was just thinking that meat + mustard is a bit dry on bread, and I've seen that some people use spread-type stuff on sandwiches, so it was a thought.

Nessa, you reading?  Guess I should check out your blog and see what you've already written about.

[True Blue]

I was just wondering...how long til something is "outgrown" or "healed"?  DD2 reacted to gluten, wheat, and gliadin on her IgG, but they were very low reactions.  I didn't notice any real change in her when I took it out, the only real change was when we took out the sals.  I just wonder how long we really will need to be gf?  Is it like childhood wheat allergy, where it's likely to be gone in a year or two (she's 2.5)?  Or is it something we can add in sooner on rotation, as an occasional thing?  Curious on everyone's thoughts/experiences.  She didn't start pooping til she was sals-free.  It would be so, so easy if we didn't have to worry about gluten, lol. 

[Lady Lilya]

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Wow, I missed a lot in the last few days.  

Hugs all around, even to those of you who don't think you need a hug.  You can never have too many hugs.  

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by True Blue 

CS, glad to hear all went well, though those moments at the end must have been SCARY!!! :hug

Well, DS's eczema is back.  Not a lot, but it's there.  I think he has so many causes of it.   Sigh.  It was definitely super bad in the weeks up to removing sals though, so I think they play a part.  We'll find out as we add them back in, I guess.  I wanted to try him on cheese tonight, but he didn't like my cheesebread pizza (no sauce lol).  He liked the breadsticks though and ate them in garlic butter.  He didn't seem to get extra sniffly from the butter, though, so that's a triumph!  It will be SO nice to use butter again.  Easy, readily available, etc.  The nutritionist did say it's only like 1% casein so he was likely to be ok with it...I'm glad he seems to be.  One less roadblock!  Maybe I'll try grilled cheese tomorrow, he likes those.  I didn't think of that til just now LOL.  Luckily he's not a huge cheese eater, so he's not missing out that bad, but he would love a pizza every now and then, and probably some mac & cheese (with real cheese, so there's no milk in it, I guess?  Maybe he has to pass on that one lol).

DD went nuts tonight.  We were playing and she was fine, then I put pj's on her and she suddenly decided a few minutes later she didn't want them.  She basically cried for 30 minutes or so, and then wanted me to come back upstairs to put her to bed (DH was up and down trying to entertain her while I cooked, but she was only happy while someone ran around with her).  So, she went to sleep at 6:15!!!  I don't know if she's just exhausted from being sick this week, or it's the pinch of dried blueberries I ate.  I know, they are bad, but my Tierra Farms order came in and I just couldn't resist a taste of those blueberries...so yummy.  Then again, I guess a pinch of dried berries is close to a scant handful? 

Dairy & gluten can be sneaky - my DS took a week to build up reactions to those, back when he was reacting.  So watch what happens when you eat cheese, and watch what happens over a week or two - with those two, I wouldn't assume they pass (even butter) on just one trial.  And when DS was most sals sensitive, me eating 3 blueberries was too much.  Ask me how I know 

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Originally Posted by True Blue 

I was about give a resounding "no" when I realized he does have some fleece footies now, he's sooo cold natured when it comes to nighttime.  He also has fleece pj pants.  Are they treated?  I know they say 'flame-resistant' but I always thought that when it came to fleece, it was the nature of the polyester that made them flame-resistant...am I wrong?  I never researched it.  Otherwise everything else is 100% cotton.

Yup, fleece is all treated with flame retardants.  Does your daughter have flame retardant pjs too?  My son ended up toxic in antimony from his pjs, and antimony blocks mag utilization in the body - which is how he ended up sals sensitive.  Flame retardants are in mattresses as well, but I think pjs were the biggest issue.

Cotton PJs are often treated too, unless they're the snug fitting ones and specifically say snug fit or something similar on the label.  Basically, if they don't fit super tight, assume flame retardants (that's what the law requires).

You can get the flame retardants mostly out by washing with wash soda several times on hot.
 

Originally Posted by True Blue 

I was just wondering...how long til something is "outgrown" or "healed"?  DD2 reacted to gluten, wheat, and gliadin on her IgG, but they were very low reactions.  I didn't notice any real change in her when I took it out, the only real change was when we took out the sals.  I just wonder how long we really will need to be gf?  Is it like childhood wheat allergy, where it's likely to be gone in a year or two (she's 2.5)?  Or is it something we can add in sooner on rotation, as an occasional thing?  Curious on everyone's thoughts/experiences.  She didn't start pooping til she was sals-free.  It would be so, so easy if we didn't have to worry about gluten, lol. 

Trial is the only way to find out.  With DS, it was fairly fast for dairy, gluten I'm still not convinced is OK (even though we're back on gluten).

[Theloose]

Tanya, if it's from a while ago, like a year or more-ish, then it's entirely possible that it's mine, but finding the recipe would be as easy for you as for me. If I were going to put it on a sandwich, I think it'd be in place of meat, and probably mixed with hard boiled egg or something (think chopped liver) and with plenty of lettuce/onion/tomato for the texture issue.

[changingseasons]

Holy.crap.  I was just emailing with someone and she was asking about how DD did with the anesthesia... so I looked it up (propofol) because I was curious about the egg cross-reactivity that the doc mentioned.  HA.  It's not egg cross-reactive, it has egg IN it.  AND.... are you ready for this?..... 10% soybean oil!  Holy.frick. I can't believe we didn't have any reaction.  So I guess I can assume that she's ok with soy oil? (Not that I plan on incorporating that into her diet or anything.)  And how did I not know this ahead of time?  I swear I looked the stuff up.  :(  I guess I was looking more for side effects than ingredients.  Never crossed my mind that they would use soy and egg in an anesthesia.  rawr.

Huh.  I wonder if that's why she's bouncing off the frickin walls last night and today.  Seriously.  Almost non-stop running, all day.  hmmm... and a couple mystery hives.  Hopefully this stuff clears out soon.

[True Blue]

Originally Posted by mamafish9 

Originally Posted by True Blue 

CS, glad to hear all went well, though those moments at the end must have been SCARY!!! :hug

Well, DS's eczema is back.  Not a lot, but it's there.  I think he has so many causes of it.   Sigh.  It was definitely super bad in the weeks up to removing sals though, so I think they play a part.  We'll find out as we add them back in, I guess.  I wanted to try him on cheese tonight, but he didn't like my cheesebread pizza (no sauce lol).  He liked the breadsticks though and ate them in garlic butter.  He didn't seem to get extra sniffly from the butter, though, so that's a triumph!  It will be SO nice to use butter again.  Easy, readily available, etc.  The nutritionist did say it's only like 1% casein so he was likely to be ok with it...I'm glad he seems to be.  One less roadblock!  Maybe I'll try grilled cheese tomorrow, he likes those.  I didn't think of that til just now LOL.  Luckily he's not a huge cheese eater, so he's not missing out that bad, but he would love a pizza every now and then, and probably some mac & cheese (with real cheese, so there's no milk in it, I guess?  Maybe he has to pass on that one lol).

DD went nuts tonight.  We were playing and she was fine, then I put pj's on her and she suddenly decided a few minutes later she didn't want them.  She basically cried for 30 minutes or so, and then wanted me to come back upstairs to put her to bed (DH was up and down trying to entertain her while I cooked, but she was only happy while someone ran around with her).  So, she went to sleep at 6:15!!!  I don't know if she's just exhausted from being sick this week, or it's the pinch of dried blueberries I ate.  I know, they are bad, but my Tierra Farms order came in and I just couldn't resist a taste of those blueberries...so yummy.  Then again, I guess a pinch of dried berries is close to a scant handful? 

Dairy & gluten can be sneaky - my DS took a week to build up reactions to those, back when he was reacting.  So watch what happens when you eat cheese, and watch what happens over a week or two - with those two, I wouldn't assume they pass (even butter) on just one trial.  And when DS was most sals sensitive, me eating 3 blueberries was too much.  Ask me how I know 

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Originally Posted by True Blue 

I was about give a resounding "no" when I realized he does have some fleece footies now, he's sooo cold natured when it comes to nighttime.  He also has fleece pj pants.  Are they treated?  I know they say 'flame-resistant' but I always thought that when it came to fleece, it was the nature of the polyester that made them flame-resistant...am I wrong?  I never researched it.  Otherwise everything else is 100% cotton.

Yup, fleece is all treated with flame retardants.  Does your daughter have flame retardant pjs too?  My son ended up toxic in antimony from his pjs, and antimony blocks mag utilization in the body - which is how he ended up sals sensitive.  Flame retardants are in mattresses as well, but I think pjs were the biggest issue.

Cotton PJs are often treated too, unless they're the snug fitting ones and specifically say snug fit or something similar on the label.  Basically, if they don't fit super tight, assume flame retardants (that's what the law requires).

You can get the flame retardants mostly out by washing with wash soda several times on hot.
 

Originally Posted by True Blue 

I was just wondering...how long til something is "outgrown" or "healed"?  DD2 reacted to gluten, wheat, and gliadin on her IgG, but they were very low reactions.  I didn't notice any real change in her when I took it out, the only real change was when we took out the sals.  I just wonder how long we really will need to be gf?  Is it like childhood wheat allergy, where it's likely to be gone in a year or two (she's 2.5)?  Or is it something we can add in sooner on rotation, as an occasional thing?  Curious on everyone's thoughts/experiences.  She didn't start pooping til she was sals-free.  It would be so, so easy if we didn't have to worry about gluten, lol. 

Trial is the only way to find out.  With DS, it was fairly fast for dairy, gluten I'm still not convinced is OK (even though we're back on gluten).

ARGH.  So his fleece pj's are a no-go.  Crapola.  I just bought him several pairs, though he has been wearing them for a month now.  Maybe it's coincidence?  There are no flame retardants in his mattress.  My mattress is organic latex, and DD2 sleeps there, but has no flame-retardant pj's.  Maybe a nightgown, and she has only worn it once.  Last night. LOL.  All of our cotton ones are chemical-free.  I guess I can get him sweats to sleep in, but he really likes the footies.  No joke, he sleeps in those with a sheet, 2 blankets, a down comforter with allergy cover, and a quilt. LOL He's a nut.  He'll then go out to play in a tshirt and crocs...go figure.  At night he needs to be a 1000 degrees.  Always been this way.  When he was little and we lived in NY, he'd sleep all bundled up then strip in the morning at 6:15am while watching tv and sit on the heater.

So, ah, no more blueberry samples for me then, right?

I will be on the lookout for the dairy.  I'd love to have butter back for everyone again.  That would be the only regular dairy for him, I know he can't handle milk, he got a runny nose in minutes last time we tried it.  If he could just have Papa John's every now and then...he would be one happy kiddo. 

[mamafish9]

Amy, if he loves the fleece PJs, do the wash soda thing, it takes care of the flame retardants quite well (just be sure to use hot water and lots of washes).  My son won't sleep with covers, so it sucked to lose the fleece (we use merino wool long underwear now, because we had a great insider source for it, but it's crazy expensive otherwise).

[chlobo]

I believe that Carter's fleece PJs are not treated with chemicals.  This was researched on another board I am on and this is what they said.

Here is some information from Carter's website:

Is Carter’s sleepwear treated to prevent flammability?

We design our children’s sleepwear with a combination of fabrics and fits that do not require treatment with harsh chemicals to prevent flammability.

Carter’s polyester sleepwear is naturally flame resistant, while our 100% cotton sleepwear is tight fitting, and therefore does not require additional fabric treatment. All Carter’s sleepwear products are clearly labeled as “sleepwear.” Only garments labeled as such should be considered sleepwear.

All of our sleepwear products are created with children’s safety, health, and comfort in mind, and meet Consumer Product Safety Commission requirements.

Edited by chlobo - 11/20/10 at 5:12am

[Lady Lilya]

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[tanyalynn]

TrueBlue, I periodically wash all my kids' clothing in washing soda.  I have to go to our Ace Hardware to find the stuff now (actually had to order online from them, but free delivery to the store), and I use a full box per load--you need a lot, not just a few tablespoons or a cup or two.  I buy the kids' clothing used and I figure I'm helping deal with whatever transfer has happened before we had them, plus we had some sort of highly treated sleepwear before we started this and instead of replacing it all back then--given that I was already replacing most of my kitchen stuff and doing a lot of other expensive stuff--I washed and washed and washed.  I haven't seen symptoms I trace back to it--often these days the kids just sleep in regular daytime clothing and I haven't seen anything change at the times/nights when they wear the old stuff--but it's supposed to help. 

Chlobo--I've never been clear on the chemical treatment aspect when it's done to thread before it's made into fabric, basically before the manufacturer who's actually sewing together the pajamas.  Do you understand that part? 

I keep thinking I should learn how to sew.  DD would actually probably enjoy learning with me, maybe next year I'll look into it.  I have zero sewing skills--I could sew on a button if I tried, but mostly I run to the iron-on patch/no-sew hem solutions. 

Well, DH's week off has started.  And as we talked about lunch options, it became clear to him just how I have to balance his needs and hers.  We had meat with dinner last night and he gave the kids leftover this morning--so going out to Taco Cabana and having meat there, too, would probably not work out well. 

Deb--ooh, the possibilities with these empty capsules are fascinating.  Do you have one of those capsule filler trays/machines?  One of those things sold at many of the same places to help you fill capsules.  I didn't buy one and I'm thinking I should've. 

[FireWithin]

I Now fill capsules ala deb style. I only give kids large size 00 so that they can't compare to smaller and feel ovrwhelmed. Makind special one for ds2 and special onefor all then everone gets large mag glycinate and large multi. Happy so far and they fill fast.

Baby girl appears to be more food reactive than my atopic boy. Throwing my world upside down.

Fingerscrossed that when I get more Mo that I will get eggs and sals back. She refluxes when she reacts and it is very hard to see her in pain.

[Lady Lilya]

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[Theloose]

Well, we had one evening of everyone feeling more or less good. I don't know if it was the sleep, the lack of food, the pseudo castor oil pack (rubbed on the tummy, with a hot washcloth over, in the tub) or the vit A, but I seem to have kicked this thing faster than I was expecting. I felt a million times better after actually eating something For the first time in 48 hours. Now dh and dd have it complete with the pukes dd's first (non-zinc-induced ) experience with a throwing up bug, and she's got it BAD. I'm starting to worry about dehydration, and she was even refusing milk

But. This is pretty much confirming, in a subtle, mama's intuition sort of way, that bad guts are the source of most of our issues, and I'm wondering how to best take advantage of the circumstances. Blasting probiotics seems too simple. Probiotics followed by nutrients to rebuild? Stuff like b12 to get things to hold? High dose A? As you can see, I'm still a bit loopy/woozy - not exactly strong enough to be dealing with our messiest, sickest kid yet with a barely functional but doing way too much dh.

Chlobo, I'm very much thinking of you through all this, and I wanted to ask you if you've played much with antioxidants like bowel tolerance C or glutathione? Anyone have thoughts on high dose C vs high dose glutathione vs combining them?

There's so much more I want to let out of my head, but I think it'd be incoherent mush at this point. But the wheels are turning madly, :praying for some good sit down and think time for me, and some good computer time to go with it!

[tanyalynn]

Shannon, glad you got a bit of a break.  When DD was really little and had a nasty gastro bug, I think I ended up giving her a teaspoon of fluid at a time.  And strangely, keeping her warm seemed to help--maybe it was coincidence, but I think it may have helped (she wasn't at all upset at having a blanket on, even though she was clearly quite warm).

I feel icky.  I'm not sure why, my only guess is my renewed attempt to kick the soda habit.  Maybe I'm just vulnerable after a week of burning the candle at both ends, hard to say, but my BP is fairly low (not rock bottom but lower than normal) and I just feel icky.  Gonna watch some Castle, season 2 (love Netflix, and on days like Friday I can tell myself that watching educational videos is almost as good as actually reading a book or going somewhere or just discussing stuff), and then early to bed.  :fingersx that tomorrow is better, I'd like to start on travel prep.  Or at least buy a turkey.  Hmm.. would anyone notice if I just cooked up a couple chickens instead? 

[Theloose]

A teaspoon at a time... She's been puking every half hour or more, with a sip of water after each time.  Just slept for an hour and I started freaking out that something was wrong :( poor, poor baby.

Yes, massive, massive overload over here.  I'm wondering how the rich and beautiful deal with a whole household sick as a dog.  There's got to be some kind of a service that comes in to at least keep up with the laundry? :dizzy :(  Oh wait, I take it back.  ds isn't sick, he's just almost 8mo and wants to PLAY with us and cries when he can't!

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by Theloose 

A teaspoon at a time... She's been puking every half hour or more, with a sip of water after each time.  Just slept for an hour and I started freaking out that something was wrong :( poor, poor baby.

Yes, massive, massive overload over here.  I'm wondering how the rich and beautiful deal with a whole household sick as a dog.  There's got to be some kind of a service that comes in to at least keep up with the laundry? :dizzy :(  Oh wait, I take it back.  ds isn't sick, he's just almost 8mo and wants to PLAY with us and cries when he can't!

sorry everyone's so bad off and ds's feeling bored. wishing wellness.