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post #401 of 429
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post

Kinder ~ Your O day is a big ambiguous. Your temps don't really confirm it for cd13. Actually, I don't see temp confirmation until after cd19.

 

katrina ~ That's frustrating but typical. The only thing docs can do is throw drugs at you. They insist there's no point in checking hormone levels while nursing regardless of how much or for how long you've been nursing. Were your cycles shorter and more regular before baby?


 

that 98.4 high temp could have been off....I wrote about it in a previous post. It was a night when dd wet the bed and so I had 2 temps to go on! 98.4 (what you see on my chart) and 97.99. Either way, I had daytime temps of 99.3 that day so it was higher than normal. 

 

I know I must have o'ed on cd 13 because I had O pain at 10pm the night before (cd 12). 

 

Looks like this if I use 97.99

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2dab06

 

Okay now you've got me nervous that I'm ovulating a lot later than I think. The + OPK on cd 13 was not two solid dark lines. Hard to explain but the lines were partial (both control and test) but even so, they got progressively dark and then lighter again. That counts for something right! The darkest was on Saturday (cd 11) I think and the o pain started the next night at 10pm and my temps do kinda go up like I o'ed and FF confirms it. What is I didn't O until 5dpo!??!?!?! Do you think that's possible??? We only bd'ed 2 days before that and nothing else so that really gives me a slim chance!


Edited by Kindermama - 12/1/10 at 10:53am
post #402 of 429
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Kinder ~ Here's the thing. For O on cd13, your CL would be 97.6. Your cd14 and 15 temps are not above that. The 98.4 temp is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Since your cd14 and 15 temps don't go above your CL but are higher than the highest of the previous 6, you have to more your CL up. After the cd14 temp, it would be at about 97.65. After the cd15 temp, it would have go to 97.7. Your next two temps are above that but the 3rd one drops down again and the 4th one is barely above it. To me, that's not a clear thermal shift, at least according to FAM rules. You don't have 3 consecutive temps above a possible CL until after cd19. Then your CL would be 97.8 and your next 3 temps are clearly above that. CD18 or what you have now as 5dpo is a possibility if you use the ROT to discount the two high temps just before that. Your CL for that would be just above 97.7, right where your cd16 temp is. That makes it questionable as well because that temp is right on the CL. Also, you don't have very wet cf for days before that but have very wet, fertile cf the next day. That's another reason I'd lean more toward cd19.

 

Just to confuse things a bit more, it may be possible to confirm O for cd13 using TAoNFP rules. Someone else with more experience using that can chime in. Here's my take on that. Your LTL would 97.5 and your HTL would be 97.9. All your subsequent temps are above that and the 4th one is above the HTL. I guess that could be confirmation. I'm used to FAM, though, and it's not clear using FAM.

 

It's a little hard to interpret your chart because you've got temps going to the 1/100th place. You don't really need to do that. That makes it less rather than more accurate. Maybe accurate is not the right word but it doesn't make the chart more clear. What happens if you round all your temps to 1/10th of a degree? Things might be more clear that way.

post #403 of 429
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post

Kinder ~ 

It's a little hard to interpret your chart because you've got temps going to the 1/100th place. You don't really need to do that. That makes it less rather than more accurate. Maybe accurate is not the right word but it doesn't make the chart more clear. What happens if you round all your temps to 1/10th of a degree? Things might be more clear that way.


 

whoa! it moved my O day to cd 11! I didn't realize that using the 1/100th place would screw things up so much! Now I know! But now I know I'm 11dpo. Boo! Thanks for your help. You are so knowledgeable!

post #404 of 429
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Hm...well, I don't think that's right, either. Maybe cd12 or cd14. Anyone else have an idea?

post #405 of 429

My vote is for CD14, don't you have to have 3 temps that are .2 higher than the previous 6?

post #406 of 429

Kinder: I'd throw out the CD 17 temp altogether, and put O on CD 19, tentatively.  I wouldn't give you an O yet for CTA purposes!  There's a super slim chance of O on CD 14.  If you take off the +opk, I'll be FF will give you a later O day...it puts a lot of weight on opks.  With the data you're showing right now, there's no way you O'd before CD 14. 

 

I don't like CD 14 for O, even with NFP rules, b/c there's CM is increasing in quality, not drying up.  It's kind of the same deal w/CD 19.  There's not a drying up pattern, and the temp shift is very small.

 

Remind me if you've been having regular cycles or not?

 

And remember, O pain is not a reliable sign for charting purposes.  smile.gif  It's good in hindsight, and a nice clue, but by no means definitive.  

post #407 of 429

holy heck...it moved it again after I took out the +OPK. DAMN! I wonder how many cycles this has happened! I've only used FF for 4 of them (since we started whatever'ing) Ahhhhhh!!!!! Why is my fertile CF all over the place! I'll have to start all over next month. I was clockwork years ago....O'ed on day 14 and AF on day 28. Now my cycles are 25-27 days long. Say I did O on cd 19, that makes for a really short luteal phase, doesn't it (6-8 days!)!


Edited by Kindermama - 12/1/10 at 1:48pm
post #408 of 429
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Originally Posted by Kindermama View Post

holy heck...it moved it again after I took out the +OPK. DAMN! I wonder how many cycles this has happened! I've only used FF for 4 of them (since we started whatever'ing) Ahhhhhh!!!!! Why is my fertile CF all over the place! I'll have to start all over next month. I was clockwork years ago....O'ed on day 14 and AF on day 28. Now my cycles are 25-27 days long. Say I did O on cd 19, that makes for a really short luteal phase, doesn't it!



 It means that you could have a longer than usual cycle in order to still "meet" your LP, sorry that this cycle is so unclear.

 

 

post #409 of 429
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That's why it's so important to not rely on FF or any other charting software. The Advanced O detector on FF is notoriously inaccurate, though. I never use it.

 

If you didn't O until cd19, you should just have a longer cycle assuming your lp length is correct. Last cycle looks pretty clear.

post #410 of 429

I know! Last cycle...very clear. This one...not so much! Oh well. I'm so bummed. I spotted brown/pink tonight...so AF will probably be here on Saturday!

post #411 of 429

Kinder I'll do a tiny bit of pre-pouting with you. My temp has been down two days in a row now, which is generally my indication AF is coming. I'll be 11dpo when I wake up tomorrow morning, so that would make sense for me to start fri or sat at 12 or 13dpo.  I'll keep my fingers crossed still though, and you do the same!!

post #412 of 429

Fingers crossed, JJ! 

 

My temp went up...higher than any other temp so far (unless I put in the 98.4 from cd 4 and even then, it's pretty close!). Hopefully it means something. 

I tweaked my chart by lowering my temp on cd 7 1/10th of a degree down so my coverline could be 97.5 which makes O more obvious

 

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Edited by Kindermama - 12/2/10 at 5:59am
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Oh Kinder, all this confusion!  Ugh!  I hope at the end of it all you have a bfp so none of it matters.  Usually at that point in a cycle I throw my hands up and stop trying to figure any of it out.

 

JJ - UGH!  I hope this is your month!  Don't count yourself out yet!!

 

AFM - I've already counted myself out, lol.  I'm trying to think of the silver lining here and I'm finding it, so when af inevitably arrives I'll be ok with it.  I did a good 3.1 mile run last night in 32 min *pats self on back* and realized ...it's going to be ok.  Mind you this is after a huge emotional breakdown earlier in the day, complete with me holding DD and sobbing and telling her she is a miracle and someday she'll have a little sister or brother, even if it's not right now. mecry.gif

But it will be ok.  It'll happen.  It has to.

I don't know exactly what dpo I am but my longest cycle is 28 days.  FF has my T date as Monday.  I'm still leaning more towards testing Sunday still if af hasn't shown by then.  But, ugh, I just have very little hope.  I've been crampy since 8 dpo, bbs sore.  Emotional.  All very typical for me for a normal non-pg cycle.  My face broke out terribly at around 4 dpo, too.  I know, lovely.

post #414 of 429
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Carrie ~ My 6yo said last night that he loves babies. It was so sweet. Until they start walking, of course. But when I said to him that I was going to have a baby, he said only if it's still alive. :( He then asked me if I was afraid of that and I told him I was. I asked if he was and he said he wasn't worried but is really hoping it is still alive. A very disconcerting conversation to have with a 6yo.

 

I promised myself last night that I would start doing my prenatal yoga DVD today and maybe a walk off the pounds DVD. Now that it's today I don't want to do it. LOL I've become so bad about exercising. I used to be obsessive about it. I even got 3rd place in a bodybuilding competition once. It's so weird to realize I've gone from that to a complete couch potato. Do you think the walk off the pounds one is a bad idea? I won't really be trying to lose weight. I just want to tone up. My legs are getting way too jiggly. I can't just walk on my treadmill because it's broken. Walking outside is a major pain because neither of my boys want to sit in the stroller while I walk. They either want to walk (very slowly) with me or complain the entire time.

 

I think I'm on the recovering end of my cold. I don't feel as run down today as I did yesterday. I have to go grocery shopping today but I just don't feel like doing that. I'm feeling just the teensiest bit of nausea after eating breakfast. I wonder if it could be the beginning of m/s. It's so slight, though, I'm not even sure I feel it so I'm afraid to name it. I'm really usually not a superstitious person but I'm so scared that as soon as I start to truly acknowledge that I'm pg I'll lose it. Stupid, I know.

 

I found an online store where I could customize a card to give to my dh. I tried to put a poem on it but I couldnt' tell if the whole thing fit on the card. Anyone ever done anything like that? Here's the site: http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-card/?customize_it=true&pd=137295439345432849&get_started_dialog=false.

post #415 of 429

BabyCakes--oh man! I haven't had a breakdown like that yet but I get really grumpy when I know AF is coming. I didn't want DH touching me last night and was a bit depressed about my chart and so on so I probably just hold in my emotions. Maybe I need to let them out! DH feels so bad for me. He wants me to stop charting and just let it be whatever it's going to be! There is a huge part of me that just wants to let it all go...the control over what happens and just have sex when we have sex and test only when I'm late or due for AF and having no AF symptoms (why I tested with #2)! 

The thing is now my O date is unclear so what if we miss the "boat" every month!  Ahhhhhhh

 

MW- I like the card idea. I, in no way shape or form, could ever keep my excitement from DH. I usually throw the test right up in his face and I usually only test when he's there to see the results. 

I start shaking and whole bit and he would figure it out right away. In your case, I think a card is really sweet! I would be inclined to use my own US pic if I had one. Do you have one? If you do, I want to see it too ;)  I like the poem idea as well. So excited for you!!! 

post #416 of 429

Feel like I got punched in the stomach this morning. I got up, and first thing went to the bathroom. AF is here. I'm completely unprepared, I thought I had at least another day, and probably 2 or 3 before she came. I instantly broke out in tears and yelled at the dog that he'd better be good because I didn't have it in me today. He rolled over belly up, and then went and laid on his bed. At least that's something right?

 

I'm a whole gamut of emotions right now. And the worst thing is- I have to start from scratch today a 12-15 page essay that is due tomorrow, and have the frame of mind to write it. I'm screwed.

post #417 of 429
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Originally Posted by jeninejessica View Post

Feel like I got punched in the stomach this morning. I got up, and first thing went to the bathroom. AF is here. I'm completely unprepared, I thought I had at least another day, and probably 2 or 3 before she came. I instantly broke out in tears and yelled at the dog that he'd better be good because I didn't have it in me today. He rolled over belly up, and then went and laid on his bed. At least that's something right?

 

I'm a whole gamut of emotions right now. And the worst thing is- I have to start from scratch today a 12-15 page essay that is due tomorrow, and have the frame of mind to write it. I'm screwed.


Oh honey...I'm so sorry you're going through this. Be gentle with yourself right now.

post #418 of 429
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JJ ~ hug2.gif I'm so sorry.

 

Kinder ~ As long as you dtd every 2-3 days throughout your entire cycle, you shouldn't miss O. And, of course, you can always step it up a bit whenever you have watery/ewcf if you want. Charting temps doesn't really help you time BD for O. It only tells you 3 days after the fact that you did O. You need to either dtd regularly or track CF to catch the egg. If you think you can handle not knowing for sure if/when you Oed, not temping might help you. For me, personally, not knowing made it more stressful.

post #419 of 429

JJ - that is awful! the only positive, is that she didn't keep you waiting.

 

Kindermama - it does seem very confusing! It ain't over until AF arrives anyway, and here's hoping she stays away!

 

MW - that is a disconcerting conversation! to answer your question: before I was on the shot, my cycles were regualr 32-35 days. Once on it, they stopped completely. Off of it, during the 2 years it took to conceive DS, they were wonky, but generally between 35 and 45 days. (I had one weird 24 day cycle and one weird 60 day cycle) so Also to confuse matters is I weighed about 50 lbs less pre-depo, and I know the weight gain may have affected my cycles. I am starting to lose weight again though, but it is going slowly.

 

as far as the walking video, I don't see what it could hurt. just don't overdo it.

post #420 of 429

JJ!  OMG huge hugs, sweetie! hug.gif

Trust me when I say I know how you feel.  It's so unfair. greensad.gif

 

MW - I think moderate walking should be ok.  You don't want to start a whole new exercise program now, but getting activity in will definitely help.  If you just want to work on toning arms/legs you could lift some light weights or get resistance bands.

 

I weighed myself this morning -- ugh.  I don't even want to talk about it.  I'm going to work to lose this 10 lbs for sure and if I don't get pg in the meantime, maybe DH and I can plan a tropical vacation for March/April. 

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