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post #1 of 15
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We've been asked to come in as a dog/handler team to a group of autistic kids---preschool to 9---and also to a mixed group of multiply disabled kids, some wheelchair bound, some more mobile.

If this would be something happening to YOUR kids, what would be your goals? What would you want me to know/do/avoid? Though my dog is young, she's very good with special kids. We've done demos at the camps and at preschools, but this is a chance for a long-term therapy relationship, and I'd like to do a bit more.

Ideas?
post #2 of 15
I'd look into The Delta Society, if you haven't already.

As a former dog trainer, I'd hope that any dog interacting with kids of any ability would at least have their CGC (Canine Good Citizen) and solid sit/down stays and leave it.

In terms of what to do with the dog and kiddos, I can't help you there, sorry!
post #3 of 15
My DD with autism is a bit of an animal charmer. Even as a small child, she was the one who could get the cat to take a pill or whatever. She's always been better with animals than people.

I think this is fairly common. Have you read anything about Temple Grandin? She has autism and designed most of the equipment that is used to process food animals in use today. She's written about how she percieves the world, and how it helps her understand animals. It's facinating stuff.

Anyway, I would first and foremost, want my child to have fun. A lot of things that are fun for other kids aren't fun for my Dd autism, but animals are. I think it's safe to say that most kids with autism have less fun and more stress in their lives than their neuro typical peers. Never discount the power of *just* having fun.

Second, I would want, if at all possible, for you to use the animal as a way to attempt to intereact with my DD. The animal would be easy for her, but to speak to other people is a BIG deal. Sometimes when people talk to her, she doesn't say anything back, but she is still getting someting from that interaction.
post #4 of 15
No ideas about the dog but when talking with parents you might want to say "kids with autism" rather than "autistic kids."
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
using the terminology the teacher used.....

and more concerned with useful advice than being politically correct.
post #6 of 15
fuzzylogic, have you spent much time around people with autism? You did phrase a question "If this was happening to your child"...perhaps the parents would be appreciative to hear you use people-first terminology. All the advice you have received so far has been very useful. Best wishes on your new project!
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
My DD with autism is a bit of an animal charmer. Even as a small child, she was the one who could get the cat to take a pill or whatever. She's always been better with animals than people.

I think this is fairly common.
On the flip side, my son with autism is wary of animals. He likes to watch them from a distance, but is very slow to approach them and needs a lot of gentle encouragement to pet them.

So he would need a slow approach with an dog that can remain still and not make sudden movements. In a long-term program I would like for him to have a chance to get used to the dog and feel comfortable with the dog sitting near him, playing with the dog, and basic interactions.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic View Post
using the terminology the teacher used.....

and more concerned with useful advice than being politically correct.
I do appreciate that you are looking for ways to help on this board, but have to say, it isn't about being politically correct. It is about being respectful and sensitive to parents who have children with autism.

The idea is that the child is not "autistic" with autism defining who that child is, but that this child is a person who also has autism. I realize that some people just don't know the difference but it is like a punch in the gut to a lot of parents who have kids with any sort of special needs to hear their child defined that way.
post #9 of 15
I used to visit in a special education classroom with my dog several years ago. I really think it was our favorite visit location because we could see the difference we made very tangibly. My dog, Maggie, really thrived in that setting and would perform skills there that we could rarely elicit elsewhere.

I usually deferred to the teacher and aides when it came to therapeutic goals. In general we worked on gross and fine motor skills, speech, communicating needs, and some other similar goals.

Examples: one nonverbal child would use his picture board to write stories about Maggie's visits, a few children played fetch with Maggie, one or two read to her, another would just sit and pet her, and yet another child just liked to watch her do tricks.

Maggie had to be rock solid in that setting - we encountered some interactions that were not ideal (some pinching, screeching, waving arms while running at her, etc.) and a lesser dog could've been very stressed by all that activity and sound. Maggie would look to me and once I assured her all was ok, it was back to work.
post #10 of 15
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I do appreciate that you are looking for ways to help on this board, but have to say, it isn't about being politically correct. It is about being respectful and sensitive to parents who have children with autism.

The idea is that the child is not "autistic" with autism defining who that child is, but that this child is a person who also has autism. I realize that some people just don't know the difference but it is like a punch in the gut to a lot of parents who have kids with any sort of special needs to hear their child defined that way.


If my son was interacting with a therapy dog (or any animal for that matter), I'd like to see proper treatment of animals reinforced. Allow the dog to smell your hand (faced down) before petting the dog, pet the dog down his/her fur not up, no poking eyes or ears or pulling tails, etc. I think my son would get a kick out of any tricks the animal could do. Other than that - I think the point of any therapy dog is to bring love and companionship and to teach people how to love and care for an animal.
post #11 of 15
Warning: Major thread drift here.

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Originally Posted by APToddlerMama View Post
I do appreciate that you are looking for ways to help on this board, but have to say, it isn't about being politically correct. It is about being respectful and sensitive to parents who have children with autism.

The idea is that the child is not "autistic" with autism defining who that child is, but that this child is a person who also has autism. I realize that some people just don't know the difference but it is like a punch in the gut to a lot of parents who have kids with any sort of special needs to hear their child defined that way.
I know that many people feel strongly about this and I respect that. But please be aware that not everyone feels this way. While the idea of "person-first language" is noble in a way, in reality it becomes awkward and presents its own set of problems.

English grammar is such that adjectives are placed in front of the nouns they describe. That doesn't mean the speaker/writer placed a greater importance on the adjective; it's just how English is set up. When you purposefully disrupt this conventional order to stick in a relative clause (ie "person who has autism"), the unnatural sentence structure can actually be seen as putting undue emphasis on the disablility.

Most of the time, people are not criticised or corrected for saying thing like "a pretty child", "a smart child", "a tall child", "a happy child", "a blond child", etc. These particular qualities are generally seen as either positive or nuetral, so no one complains that the adjective is in its usual place before the noun. When you (the general "you", not anyone specific here) make sentance structure changes to avoid adjectives like "autistic", "disabled", "visually impaired", etc, you are saying that these adjectives are somehow different. In fact, it can be interpreted that you are emphasing the idea that these are considered negatives and therefore need to be downplayed. This awkward sentence structure focuses attention on the disability in a different way.

My son is a smart child, a blond child, a happy child, and an autistic child. None of those words define him, but they are all part of who he is.

Generally when writing and talking, I do try to use person-first language, becuase it's become the norm in diability etiquette, even if it is unnatural and seems over-defensive at times. Mainly I do it to avoid having conversations like this over and over. But personally,I don't have a problem with people who use the usual syntax of English.

Like I said, I respect that there are people who feel strongly about this; I simply don't agree. In my mind, there are more important issues out there than getting hung up on the conventions of English grammar. Especially in situations like the OP, where there is no ill intent.

I'm not interested in a debate on this issue - just presenting another point of view.

OP - sorry for the thread drift.
post #12 of 15
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I'd like to see proper treatment of animals reinforced. Allow the dog to smell your hand (faced down) before petting the dog, pet the dog down his/her fur not up, no poking eyes or ears or pulling tails, etc. .
agreed. For some families with a sn child, having a pet with intense needs, such as a dog, is just out of the question. The child takes up so much time and energy that the parents really can't add to it. Helping the kids learn how to properly interact makes them safer around ALL dogs.

At the same time, the dog needs to be cool with some atypical human behavior, such as hand flapping. Some kids stim more when they are excited.

So the dog needs to mellow about quirky behavior and less than ideal treatment, and the trainer needs to very gently help the child learn proper treatment.

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I know that many people feel strongly about this and I respect that. ...
My son is a smart child, a blond child, a happy child, and an autistic child.
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I'm not interested in a debate on this issue - just presenting another point of view.
I agree. I usually say "my DD has autism" but I'm not bothered by others saying "DD is autistic." To me, her autism is a very basic and fundamental part of who she is. It effects how she sees the world, how her body works, how her emotions work EVERYTHING. It's pervasive. And I feel peaceful about that *most* of the time.

BUT watching one's speech so that nothing that comes out of one's mouth could cause PAIN to a parent is very important. This isn't about political correctness. This is about showing kindness to people that you say you want to help.
post #13 of 15
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BUT watching one's speech so that nothing that comes out of one's mouth could cause PAIN to a parent is very important. This isn't about political correctness. This is about showing kindness to people that you say you want to help.
Especially if you are in the business of providing therapy dogs and their services to a particular community (either as a paid employee or volunteer). Using what could be construed as hurtful language is a guaranteed way for you to never be asked back and earn a negative reputation all because you weren't willing to step outside of yourself and consider another person's feelings. I'm not crazy PC either but if someone points out my language may be hurtful to another person, I don't question it - I remove it from my vocabulary.
post #14 of 15
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On the flip side, my son with autism is wary of animals. He likes to watch them from a distance, but is very slow to approach them and needs a lot of gentle encouragement to pet them.

So he would need a slow approach with an dog that can remain still and not make sudden movements. In a long-term program I would like for him to have a chance to get used to the dog and feel comfortable with the dog sitting near him, playing with the dog, and basic interactions.


My son is also very wary of dogs in particular. I agree with the above advice 100%.
post #15 of 15
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