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post #1 of 15
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I keep coming back to post here, I'm embarresed. We have a huge fight, I don't know what to do, then things smooth over for awhile. So please forgive me if I'm over it in a few days, but when I'm in the middle of it, it just sucks!

Last night started with a bad bedtime with the kids. The would not listen, settle down etc. They share a room, we told them tomorrw we would seperate their rooms. Dh gets super angry and says "lets just do it now" and literally starts ripping dd2 bed apart and moving it into the other room. He moves the whole thing, breaks a picture in the process. Kids are crying. I"m trying to settle them down. dh just goes down the hall and shuts their doors.

So, now we start in on each other. I'm sad he broke my picture. He says it's my fault bc in was in a place it shouldn't have been. We are yelling at each other. I'm a bad parent because all I do is talk and don't follow through. Finally kids calm down and go to sleep. We take a break from each other for about an hour. I go up to the bedroom and the argument continues about parenting, calling each other names etc. He goes down the hall to shut of the kids lights while we are still arguing, I say something argumentative, he throws a glass of ice water in my face. Earlier he dumped a drink out on the floor (carpet). When I told hime that was really an adult thing to do, he said "lucky I didn't dump it on your head".

Back to the bedroom we keep arguing. I try and take his book away. He slaps my hand and says "don't touch me". I keep arguing, he says just leave him alone. Then tells me it's because I act like this that he has to throw water at me. I start bawling, he tries to apoligize (half heartedly). I go downstairs.

Earlier, in the midst of the fight I told I have to check everything I do with him, felt like he could do whatever he wants, etc. So he comes back saying I accused him of "controlling" me. So now I can take over all the money and do whatever I want. He says "why do you stay?" and I said "bc we have 2 kids together", he says "well what did we do that for?"
so I said " if you don't want us here we can leave" and he says go.
So later I try and point out that we do say things out of anger, like what he said above. Just like I said out of anger the "controlling" things. He gets angry again, Totally defending himself.

There is so much of this stupid "oh your so perfect" blah blah blah. Tons of swearing and name calling (mostly on his part, though I do some too). It's like our conversations just go in circles. When we do fight like this I start to realize I change some of who I really am to keep his moods down. Yes, I check in with him on any plans, money spending etc, so he doesn't blow up about it later.

Sorry so long. I'm responsible for my part in this too, not saying I just sat back why he acted like a jerk. But I feel the things he did are so much worse! He just doens't get it. Instead of being adult and saying yep, I acted like a jerk, he just keeps turning everying around so it's my fault. No matter what it is. He takes no responsiblity. If I were stricter with the kids than no of this would have happend, etc. It's like the world revolves around him and doesn't care if we are in it or not

Ugh, thanks for reading.
post #2 of 15
It sounds to me as though the both of you would benefit from couples therapy. From what you described, there is a high level of immaturity and issues on both sides with communication. A professional may be able to help you both learn to communicate more constructively if you are both willing to learn. For now, though, if something like this happens I wouldn't engage your DH to talk about the issues at hand until the next morning. There are too many raw emotions between the two of you immediately following and it is a waste of time to try and talk through it when so much rage is flying around.
post #3 of 15
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Thank you for the idea of therapy. We have been down this road before and he has always refused in the past. But it's worth a shot. The entire thing is immature. We can't seem to talk like adults, things just blow up. It's always a blame game. Me asking him if he's mad at me, did I do something etc. So tired of it. But you are right, I should have just left him alone and each had space. Of course at the moment I thought I wanted to talk about it right then and there! Thansks!
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Now I have had most of a day to think about this. I'm really realizing, as I have before, that there is an emotional abuse piece to this. The whole thing where it's always my fault, if I hadn't done X then he wouldn't have had to do/say x. Blame blame blame. We've been through this a million times before. I don't tell anyone about it because I don't want them to know what he's really like, especially my family. I'm always making excuses to them about him. When I researched emtional abuse I was able to relate to alot of those things, especially the walking on egg shells.

I don't know what to do. I'm mad and hurt. I feel fed up. I just got a call from him and he acted all nice like nothing happened. Yes, part of me wants to say phew! and brush it under the rug. The other part of me says my kids and I can't continue like this. ugh
post #5 of 15
I second the therapy. It sounds like you both need to learn how to hear each other's side without allowing it to escalate and therefore reaching a joint solution.

But two things stand out to me: the ice water and the slap. To me both are forms of abuse. No matter what you did or said neither is an acceptable way to be treated.
post #6 of 15
When you have suggested therapy in the past was it in the midst of an arugment? - If I were you (and this is true) I would approach him during a GOOD moment and say you don't like the way you two argue (taking your fair share of the blame) and say you feel if the relationship is going to work you need help - there is NO shame in therapy, and you really would love it if he would at least TRY it - but regardless if he is willing or not - YOU should go and let him know you are going with or without him...

This is very toxic and not at all good for your children - he needs to know that and take his respons. as a father seriously enough to want to improve...


good luck
post #7 of 15
in an abusive situation, which this most definitely is, couple's therapy is NOT recommended. it just gives the abuser more ammo to use against his partner. go to therapy alone.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by doubledutch View Post
in an abusive situation, which this most definitely is, couple's therapy is NOT recommended. it just gives the abuser more ammo to use against his partner. go to therapy alone.
Yes, this. What you described is most definitely abusive.
post #9 of 15
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I have brought up counseling in the past. One time he has agreed, but it never happened. Things got better and we never went.

I'm actually feeling pretty bad right now, like maybe I'm over reacting. How would I know I'm making the right decision? Would I be ruining my kids lives?

I"m certainly not perfect, I too was saying stupid things last night, but I never take it to the level he does.

I have to add, that during the midst of this fight he also launched a nice glass plate down the stairs that broke to a million pieces. He then said he would clean that up but not the picture that broke, becuase that was my fault that it was in the wrong place.

Thank You for the responses, I feel slightly less crazy.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by wish View Post
I have brought up counseling in the past. One time he has agreed, but it never happened. Things got better and we never went.

I'm actually feeling pretty bad right now, like maybe I'm over reacting. How would I know I'm making the right decision? Would I be ruining my kids lives?

I"m certainly not perfect, I too was saying stupid things last night, but I never take it to the level he does.

I have to add, that during the midst of this fight he also launched a nice glass plate down the stairs that broke to a million pieces. He then said he would clean that up but not the picture that broke, becuase that was my fault that it was in the wrong place.

Thank You for the responses, I feel slightly less crazy.
You are saying all of the things an abused woman says. I know because a few years ago, I was in an abusive relationship, and I made many of the same excuses (though I did not have a child with him.) "Maybe I'm overreacting." "If I just do x, then it will be fine." etc!

Also, things like the water & plate throwing & hand slap...that is how the physical violence in my relationship started. It progressively grew worse...him grabbing my wrists, then him pushing me, till eventually he was actually hitting me. The defensiveness about control is a red flag to me too.

When making my decision about my (current, non physically abusive, but emotionally abusive) marriage, I have asked myself over and over, "Is this the way I want my daughter to think marriage goes? Is this what I want her to expect from love? Is this how I want her to think she deserves to be treated?" I think you would do well to ask yourself the same thing.

So sorry, mama. It's so rough. ((hugs))
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by wish View Post
Would I be ruining my kids lives?
What are they learning now about partner interaction with you remaining with your abusive spouse? Do you think that by remaining in such a verbally and emotionally abusive marriage, you are doing your children a favour?

I've been in an abusive marriage. Your post describes elements of my marriage.

If I were you, I'd consult a) a lawyer, and b) an individual counsellor. You can also call your local DV shelter and see what ressources they have to offer you. Getting informed is a step in the right direction.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thank you all. Hearing other people's stories really helps. I think I learned to think so much of this is normal, because over time it seems to be.

We have a very rocky past. He was physically abusive in the beginning (well, we both were). He even slapped me once while I was holding our 9 month old and I fell to the ground. I should have left then. But no, I apologize, clean up, try and fix things. Things were better for a few years in the middle. He would never believe me if I told him he was "abusive". He would actually turn it around and say "you're the one who is abusive to me!". I can see it now.

He texted me last night saying he was no longer married to me ( weird way to say it), so I texted him back and said "ok by me".

What do I do now? He's been staying in the basement and I stay upstairs with the girls. But I'm not one of the people who can keep living in the same house month after month, it would make my mind crazy and I would never relax.

So sad right now, ugh. I have moments of that "just fix it and make it better" seems like the better/easier choice.

Thanks for the support.
post #13 of 15
Have you considered calling the National Domestic Violence hotline and asking them to refer you to services in your area? Perhaps there's a social worker you can consult? They often have a direct line to resources close by.

I agree with you; living the way you are is no way to live. For a while, I lived like that with my XH. He slept in our old bedroom, I slept in DD's bedroom with her. He came home late, and sometimes didn't come home at all. DD, DSS and I had our quiet evenings without him. When he was home, there was so much tension in the house it was tangible.

Call counsellors, social workers and lawyers. Get support and get informed about how to get yourself out of this situation.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Halfasianmomma View Post
Have you considered calling the National Domestic Violence hotline and asking them to refer you to services in your area? Perhaps there's a social worker you can consult? They often have a direct line to resources close by.

I agree with you; living the way you are is no way to live. For a while, I lived like that with my XH. He slept in our old bedroom, I slept in DD's bedroom with her. He came home late, and sometimes didn't come home at all. DD, DSS and I had our quiet evenings without him. When he was home, there was so much tension in the house it was tangible.

Call counsellors, social workers and lawyers. Get support and get informed about how to get yourself out of this situation.


This is going to seem so stupid, but what do I say when I call a lawyer? I need info, I might be seperating/divorcing?
post #15 of 15
First off, you call various lawyers practicing in family law and ask if they offer a free initial consultation.

When you've got 3 or 4 lined up, you call.

Make the call as unemotional as possible; this isn't therapy, it's law. Describe your situation in point form with as much information as possible, i.e., married for X years, own a home together (have a car or two, retirement funds, etc), children are X, and Y years old, separation due to emotional and verbal abuse for X years, instance of physical abuse X years ago.

They'll mostly want to know about what assets you have, what you're seeking and why.

Prepare yourself for some of those lawyers to be cold and to the point. That's fine and dandy, but get as much information as you can out of that consultation (which usually last 30 minutes).

When I found the lawyer that eventually did my divorce, I paid for the inital consultation. It was 100$ for 60 minutes, and it was worth every cent. My lawyer knew my rights, knew what I couldn't ask for and could ask for, and gave me clear timelines as to what needed to be submitted when, etc etc.

If I were you, I'd have a list of point form questions put together so that you don't forget anything. Discuss leaving the marital home or stay and getting your H to leave. Discuss custody, visitation, support payments, etc.
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