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flu shot: I need to cite real data

post #1 of 8
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Here's the story. DH and I work at the same place. They are offering flu shots. He already got his. I figured that I would just quietly hide in my office and never go get mine. The babies are 10 months old. I am not going to get them vaccinated.

DH called me this morning and offered to accompany me to get mine, since he knows that I don't deal well with shots. I told him that I didn't plan on going. He thinks I should get it, though he is not going to bother fighting with me over it.

In order for me to ever convince him that the flu shot is not a good idea, I need to be able to cite some sources for him. I can go on and on about my reasons, but when it comes down to it, I haven't any hard data to back me up. So, I find myself questioning my own decision, though not so much that I will get a shot any time soon.

I have a few websites that I sent him, but he reads them and quickly says, "This is written from the perspective of a fanatic, therefore, it's not exactly convincing." And they are written from the perspective of fanatics. They make good points that are worthy of consideration, but they are too extreme in opposing vaccinations and declaring pharmaceutical companies to be evil and self-serving.

I wonder if anyone can point me in the direction of more middle-of-the-road sources? Ones that have real numbers (he is a person who respects numbers) telling of problems with vaccines, or, more importantly, telling of lack of benefit of getting the vaccine. And, I could use some info explaining the severity of symptoms if healthy babies do end up catching the flu.
post #2 of 8
Leading scientists are questioning the flu vaccine in healthy adults.

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7574/912.full

http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001269.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...395-7/fulltext (All flu vaccines this year will have the H1N1 component)

You don't need to "convince" him of anything. He cannot forcibly inject you, and the choice is ultimately yours. But references are still a good thing to have. Good luck!
post #3 of 8
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Originally Posted by JenChaffee View Post
he is not going to bother fighting with me over it.

In order for me to ever convince him that the flu shot is not a good idea, I need to be able to cite some sources for him.
If he isn't going to argue with you about it then I don't understand why you would feel like you need to convince him or defend yourself?
post #4 of 8
You can also share this with him, from the CDC site: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=mm5929a2_w

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During August 30, 2009--June 12, 2010, the 2009--10 influenza season, World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories in the United States tested 468,218 specimens for influenza viruses; 91,152 (19.5%) were positive
.

During the pandemic, doctors/hospitals sent in samples of suspected influenza: 80% of the time, there was no flu present at all. 80% of suspected flu cases were not flu and thus, not preventable with vaccine...and remember, due to vaccine shortages, most didn't get the vaccine until after the cases had peaked. Tell him to spend a good long time reading those little asterisks on the CDC webpage and charts and see how confident he feels about the efficacy of the flu vaccine. And of course, the Cochrane Review (posted earlier) says it all.
post #5 of 8
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Originally Posted by amnesiac View Post
If he isn't going to argue with you about it then I don't understand why you would feel like you need to convince him or defend yourself?
Because there is some amount of satisfaction in knowing that I could hold my own in an argument. If I can convince him, then I can probably convince anyone I cross paths with.

And, I can build my own confidence. I think that alot of people get a vaccination because they blindly follow the crowd. I have little respect for this. Therefore, I do not want to be a person who refuses vaccination simply because I blindly follow the other (much smaller) crowd. Even if it never comes up, the ability to confidently hold my own in any argument is important to me.

Thank you all for the input. I have not read all the links, yet, but at least I have them. I will get to them this weekend.
post #6 of 8
This is on H1N1, but you still might find it interesting: http://livingonlogic.blogspot.com/20...influenza.html
post #7 of 8
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Originally Posted by Turquesa View Post
Leading scientists are questioning the flu vaccine in healthy adults.

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7574/912.full

http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001269.html
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...395-7/fulltext (All flu vaccines this year will have the H1N1 component)

You don't need to "convince" him of anything. He cannot forcibly inject you, and the choice is ultimately yours. But references are still a good thing to have. Good luck!
WOW! Why are they still recommending it???
post #8 of 8

 You could read the history of the flu, that might help. Also the package inserts, the percent of the population who still contacts the flu after a vaccine, etc. I'm not understanding, he can not make you get a vaccine-it's your body. Is he wanting you to get it for the babies? Does he want them vaccinated? 

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