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post #1 of 12
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A little background:
Ds is 5.5 and started Kindergarten this year. Things have been rough, he has a medical PDD diagnosis but his IEP is being utilized under Developmental Delay. His IEP was actually written in May by his Preschool teachers from a previous school and the district doesn't want to write a new one until Jan b/c it has been 3 years since he has had an eval and he is due for one.

He gets PT/OT/ST and gets pulled out and taken to the resource room daily. His latest incident involved the following: On Tuesday he was standing in line in the classroom waiting to go outside and he put his hands around the neck of the child in front of him and squeezed his neck. The child then went and told the teacher. This happened at 11:00am.

At 2:00 I got a call from the principle stating that ds had choked a child to the point of the child not being able to breath and that they had pulled him and put him in the resource room for the rest of the day. Pickup is at 2:40 so I was just getting ready to leave to pick him up. The Special Ed teacher escorted him out to me and I took him home.

After piecing together the story I asked ds why he wasn't able to walk out with the other kids in his class and he told me that Special Ed teacher told him he could not walk out with the other kids because she had to "keep them safe" and that so "no one else would get hurt"

I was upset that she said the safe comment to him b/c he is 5 for one thing and I don't think it was appropriate for them to imply that he is a danger. Ds also told me that she said "I am mad at you"

Honstly I believe him on both things b/c frankly this women has been very difficult to deal with and doesn't seem to know how to handle him. I called the principle and told him that I was upset that she said that to him and of course he basically said it wasn't true and even if it was true that he didn't really care b/c it is their job to keep the other kids safe.

I told him that I would also like to be called when something happens and he made the excuse that he was busy. It took him 3 hours to call me! I don't find it appropriate that they took my child out of class for close to 4 hours and esentially left him by himself. All they did (by their own admitance) is to give him work sheets all day. They even put him in a seperate room by himself to eat lunch and closed the door and they don't have a problem with it b/c when I asked him about it he said "well the door is 3/4 window"

Moving on to last night:
My dd had a friend over and without my knowledge she was demonstrating to her friend how Haylen choked the boy in class. He was watching and went up to her and put his hands around her neck. She admits she said "do it softly" but when I walked in the room she was gagging because he wouldn't let go.


As of yesterday I had gotten in contact with Children's Mental Health, there is a gal who works IN the school but not FOR the school and she is going to try to help. She didn't think the 4 hour "time out" was appropriate and talked to the principle about it, but also mentioned that I wanted to be called and given the option to take ds home when something happens and he told her basically that NO he wasn't going to do that, and that it was his call not mine.

The biggest problem I have is that they think they can find out what makes him tick.. He told me that every child has something the works for them and that they just need to figure out which punishment is most appropriate and is going to make him stop the behavior.

The fact of the matter is there is NOTHING they can do becaused he does things unprovoked and he doesn't know why he does them and punishment does not work. When asked about why he choked the kid in class he said that he didn't want to do it but he just did. (that is pretty standart) He doesn't do it out of anger, he doesn't do it out of ANY reason he just does it.

So far in the 2mos of school he has thrown a rock at a child, hit different children 3 times I believe, punched a child in the neck, and choked a child ALL for no reason there has been no warning and nothing has lead up to it.

He has been like that his entire life though, he has always done things w/o a reason. So today I kept him home from school and am waiting for a call from Children's Mental Health to help point me in the right direction. But I feel like I can't talk to the school b/c they have put a wall up and have shut me out.

I feel like he needs a para but I am not sure what my chances of getting one are. I can guarentee 100% that he will do something else but I don't know when or what and for that reason he is a risk to the other kids. The thought of how they will react when something else happens worries me given what they did with this last incident. I feel like we need a plan in place for these situations b/c shutting him away for the day isn't working for me. He learned absolutely nothing that day. Am I right to want a para? Or do you think I don't stand a chance? Also Am I right to think that the situation was handled wrong?
post #2 of 12
First {{{hugs}}} I know that heartache you feel when your child has injured another child.

I don't agree with the language the teacher used (if she actually used it) to explain why he wasn't allowed to go with the other children. I'd talk to the teacher directly and not take your child's word as the gospel. Not that he's lying - just that his perception of what the teacher said to him may be off.

Now, as to why.... My son's situation is almost identical to your son's. It was during a transition period. He grabbed another child - he threw her to the ground. He also had an incident where he took off running into a crowd of children and knocked the entire group to the floor.

We now know why. My son has sensory processing disorder. He was sensory seeking. At this age, they don't know what they need, their little bodies are screaming for input and they just react impulsively. This happens very often during transition for my son.

With a diagnosis of PDD, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume your son may be experiencing some sensory issues. I'd arrange for a face to face with the teacher and his OT to discuss an action plan to avoid these pitfalls in the future.

One thing is sure. Your son is having issues with transition. What can they offer to ensure a smoother transition for your son and, in turn, for his classmates? Weighted vest for 20 minutes prior to the transition. A teacher or assistant who will hold his hand? Heavy objects to carry during the transition (have him carry a weighted bag - 3-5lb weight in a backpack does the trick for my son), etc. All these things will settle your son's neurons a bit so that he can attend to the task at hand.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your response, I do think he could have misinterperated the "I am mad comment" so that one isn't an issue. He didn't/couldn't make up the specifics of the other comment but there is no point in talking to the teacher about it b/c the principle already basically said he doesn't care if she said that.

Most all of the incidents have been while standing in line with the exception of one I believe. The having him hold something I think is a fantastic idea, b/c he can't seem to keep his hands to himself so if they were busy with something in them that might just do the trick. Thankyou! I appreciate the input.

OH and yes he was dx with SPD I think around age 2?? I can't remember for certain.
post #4 of 12
Then his SPD may not be properly addressed. I'd talk to the OT if you don't want to talk to the teacher (although the teacher would probably have to implement whatever is decided so it may be better to include her) about effective tools for your son.

Last year in preschool, our son's wonderful OT created a "toolbox" for him and then he learned how to seek out items when he needed them. He had a squishy ball, weighted objects, weighted vest, fidget sticks, etc. It's really not an issue of not keeping his hands to himself as much as it's an issue that he's in need of sensory input and not getting the adequate support.
post #5 of 12
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Thankyou a box is a really good idea. I got my call back from CMH and I am meeting with their supervisor next week and then immediately following she is going to go to the school to observe ds.

I told them that I would like to send him to school tomorrow but that I would like him to have something to hold in line or have a specific job in line or even to stay in his chair and wait until they are ready to go before he gets in line.

She said she will talk to his teacher and Special Ed teacher and they will implement something for him to do, hold ect.. while we are waiting for our meeting and waiting to get things rolling. I need something put in effect immediately so that no one gets hurt while we are sorting things out.
I feel good about our conversation and am optomistic that we can get things worked out!
post #6 of 12
Hurray!! Kudos to you for being proactive and giving solutions. I'm sure they all appreciate it and you are helping improve your son's educational experience which is wonderful. Keep up the good work Mom!
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx View Post
Hurray!! Kudos to you for being proactive and giving solutions. I'm sure they all appreciate it and you are helping improve your son's educational experience which is wonderful. Keep up the good work Mom!
Well you deserve the credit for giving me the idea and it came at the PERFECT time, because they literally called about 30min after your suggestion
post #8 of 12
Ahhh - the beauty of the internet - gives a whole new meaning to teamwork doesn't it?

By the way - my son is the same age as your son. If he was left in a room alone, I'd be raising holy hell. I'd let the principal know that while it's at his discretion to discipline your child, if he ever puts him in a room alone for an extended period of time, you'll be on the phone with the school district so fast it'll make his head spin. That is NOT appropriate for a 5.5 year old child (special needs or no).

Sorry - I missed that part in my initial reading of your post.
post #9 of 12
I know some behaviors can overlap diagnoses, but has he been evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist for ADHD? I'll send you my bullet list of ds' K year problems, but once he began treatment (just before first) with medication and CBT things improved immensely.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by Emmeline II View Post
I know some behaviors can overlap diagnoses, but has he been evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist for ADHD? I'll send you my bullet list of ds' K year problems, but once he began treatment (just before first) with medication and CBT things improved immensely.
He should be getting a new full eval within the next couple weeks. ADHD is on my radar so it is something that we will discuss. Thankyou! I will check your pm and get back to you
post #11 of 12
I hope you don't mind me chiming in (I'm not a parent of a SN child, but work in a school)... there is a 5th grader in our school diagnosed with high functioning autism (was PDD-NOS from 1st grade through 3rd). He has recently had very similar issues as your DS. for him, these have gotten much worse as he's gotten older and as other children have become more "complex" and harder for him to read correctly. He very often seemed to have the unprovoked outbursts in line for things. A few things we did that seemed to help-- he always had a permenant spot in the front or back of the line. Now that he is older, he just automatically walks to the front or the back of a line, and no one cares... when he was younger it was more often in the back (since that is where the teacher walks and since the front of the line is so important for all little kids, they didn't want him to be the target of a lot of jealousy). Also, he is often given a specific job to do during transitional times or unstructured times. For example, when the class lines up to go outside after lunch (there are 5 classes lining up) he has a special job of walking around checking under all the tables for anything the kids dropped or lost. This keeps him busy long enough to be the last outside by a minute, avoiding the rush. When recess is over, he takes a lap around checking for items again- he is the last inside AND burns off one more round of energy.

Good luck with the school- I hope they work with you!
post #12 of 12
I'm also wondering whether the OT and SLP are in the loop on all of this. The school OT should be making some of the connections SpottedFoxx has made and coming up with sensory solutions. The SLP should be doing social stories and social groups, and also assisting in looking at the big picture. The Special Education teacher should be keeping them in the loop and helping come up with solutions, but it sounds like she's got a behaviorist approach to education that is not necessarily appropriate for your kiddo, so I'd keep working around her.
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