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6 mo old comes off crying and has brown something in poopy diaper

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Dear mothers,

I am Hasya, mother to a 6 mo old girl. We had trouble nursing in the first month because of latch issues. An LLL leader advised me and the next month was a dream. Starting 2 months and a week, she started pulling off, crying. I would shush her and put her back on, and after objecting for a bit, she would nurse. Cutting out dairy didn't help any. I thought that it was perhaps wheat or my vitamins and/or iron supplement, because she started to have mucous in her stools at about 3 mo. Cutting out all 3, starting at around 4 mo did nothing to the mucous. But she seemed happier to be at the breast. But then, she seemed just as happy after re-introducing wheat and vitamin supplements at almost 5 mo (not iron, as it was messing me up too). Now, the mucous is all but gone, quite mysteriously.

However, for the last 10 days or so, she has begun pulling off crying. And I was noticing small black dots in her diaper. I wasn't even sure that they were even part of the stool. But today, I saw that she had some brown tinged stools, not all of it, but some. TMI, sorry: I had one very diarrhea-like incident this morning after eating a 2 egg omelet for dinner last night. I don't know if these could be inter-linked.

Now, this new crying episodes began with 2 changes - I had started eating eggs (I don't know on what basis this was, but I was diagnosed with an egg allergy at around 8 yrs of age after a nose bleeding incident; I have eaten egg recently but with no apparent side effects) right around that time, and we no longer have a grandmother staying with us, as we had from birth to the day I re-started eating eggs.

We have an appointment on Sunday. But I was hoping to get some advice on this.

She has no visible teeth yet but what look like hard teeth under her gums. She pulls away with a grunt when I try to feel her gums. But as if in a game. Not as if in pain.

I am trying not to read too much into this - but she only gained 200 g in 34 days (Sep 16 to Oct 20) before all of this crying began. I teeter on the edge of giving up. It has become a battle between my belief system and my willpower or the lack thereof. It takes all shreds of willpower I can muster up to continue trying and not get angry with myself.

-Feeling worthless.
post #2 of 13
Hugs, momma!!!!

I have no idea what the black dots could be. But, my LC told me that anything "earth colored" was normal and that a babe's poop can change a rainbow of colors. Anything from the yellow seedy poop to orange, green and brown.

Do you think your supply has dropped? How about your letdown? COuld it be slow to let down and she pulls off crying because she is inpatient for the flow to let down faster. SOmetimes if you had a pretty over active letdown and then thing evened out, baby becomes frustrated with the "slower" flow, even though it is not really that slow, just slower than what they are used to.

I am not sure on the gaining....I'm ashamed to say I don't know the grams to ounces conversion. I wouldn't worry so much on weight gain but on her gaining on her own growth curve.

I hope you are able to find some answers. But I would try to stay positive and not give up breastfeeding your little one!
post #3 of 13
Black dots? If you see them again and they look like coffee grounds, see a doctor...I've heard that it can relate to digestive, kidney, or allergy problems.

Hope you feel better, and don't feel worthless! It's so hard sometimes.
post #4 of 13
Black dots could be blood in the stool. It's very likely that it's related to the eggs, since you know you have/had an egg allergy. I would stop the eggs again and see if things improve.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for your replies and support. I'll definitely see her doctor. I kept that diaper aside to hopefully get it tested.

The black dots were so few that I couldn't be sure that they are part of the stool. Is that indicative of allergies too? They're not always there but then I have to tell my husband to look for those too. He's never mentioned anything to me.

Oh btw, this morning's stool was mucousy but no blood-like anything that I could see. She keeps swallowing saliva sooo much. Mucous is because of that, perhaps?

I don't know if anything has slowed down. I almost never really felt anything flow when she feeds, unfortunately, to be able to tell. I can only see that hand expressing makes it spray at any time of the day. Even after she's just had what seems like a good feed!
post #6 of 13


I, too, would see a doctor about the black specs in her poop (unless she has eaten bananas, which often give black 'worms' in poop...)

For weight gain, 200 g (about 7 oz) in 34 days seems low to me. beween 3-6 months, 10-15 g a day is normal, so we would expect a gain of at least 340 g.

have you plotted her on the who growth charts? That will tell you if she is following a curve. Also, were the weights taken on the same scale? If not, there can be huge errors just because of the scales! http://www.who.int/childgrowth/stand...irls_p_0_6.pdf

Mama, breastfeeding is so so so good for babies! It is just what they need. You are doing wonderfully! If baby needs to gain more weight, and needs more milk, then the wonderful mamas here can suggest many ways to increase your milk supply.

Hang in there! It is so easy for us, as mothers, not to be gentle with ourselves. You are doing a wonderful job. Keep going, Mama! Please come back and tell us how you are doing.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
No, PG, they weren't on the same scale! One was at her ped's office, one was at the local weigh-in clinic. Hmmm.... I did plot her weight on the WHO chart. She's along the 25th percentile, climbing up, staying along the line, and now, at the last weigh-in, she dropped a bit.

So, she's had another bowel movement with some black. I wrapped up both in plastic wrap to bring with me to her ped tomorrow.

One thing though - I had very sore nipples, lasting a few days, about the same time she started pulling off crying, because she was being none too gentle about it. It could be my blood. I have some soreness on the same side again. Hope it's my blood!

She took my finger into her mouth and now, I can feel a sharp something on her lower gum. Fingers crossed for a tooth show.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by hasya View Post
One thing though - I had very sore nipples, lasting a few days, about the same time she started pulling off crying, because she was being none too gentle about it. It could be my blood. I have some soreness on the same side again. Hope it's my blood!
this could explain the diapers! i hope so too.

to confirm her weight gain it may be a good idea to check again on the same scale after a week or so. then you'll know that she is gaining well.

and to mdc!

nak (so no capital letters)
post #9 of 13
well, obviously she's been teething, which could explain the mucousy stools and pulling off crying (her mouth could be hurting). The black fleks are still concerning, but hopefully your ped will be able to figure them out.
post #10 of 13

no more eggs for you mama!

gotta run but........

all my babies have been sensitive to what i eat, i have to see a ped gastro specialist with each one.

she puts me on a special diet and gives me prescription strength probiotics. no eggs, dairy, wheat, nuts, soy, citrus, tomato, cruciferous veggies, caffeine, chocolate or corn.

eggs bother my babies worst of all. they get mucousy, bloody stools, that are greenish brown. sometimes the black dots, which can be old blood. i can "cheat" a bit on my diet, but if i have an egg, oh man, the crying, pulling off, gas, mucousy bloody green-brown stools. i try it every so often to see if the baby is now strong enough to handle an egg.....i miss eggs. so much. so very, very much.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

Oh my, that's rough, ThymeMama!

 

We saw her ped who confirmed a little blood just by looking at the diaper. He said that it wasn't too bad, to hold off on the eggs and soy that I had eaten the week before, wait 2 weeks, try introducing one and checking again.

 

Thanks everyone! I am so glad to have found you all!

 

I don't see blood anymore. I am also giving her a dose of zantac a day (it calls for 3, but that's too much, I think). Zantac seems to be helping with the crying. In a couple of weeks, I'll take her off the zantac, see how it goes. If all goes well for 2 weeks, then introduce soy first (I am quite sure it must be egg that she can't tolerate), then just egg yolk after 2 more weeks. Then, egg white 2 weeks later if all still goes well. Does that sound like a good plan, allergy baby mamas out there? Good thing, I am not normally an egg or a soy eater. I won't miss them, except for the occasional craving for Thai!

 

Her weight gain was fine and ped said not to worry about slight ups and downs. He's of the school who looks at the baby who is jumping, trying to eat the paper on which they examine the baby in the office, and says, she's doing good. She wants to eat everything in sight, but that's a whole other forum, I am sure :-). So, I won't hijack this forum with discussions about that!

post #12 of 13

Just a heads up in case you need it. If she has reflux the zantac may not work for long. It's a very weight sensitive drug and babies quickly outgrow their dose and eventually many plateau on it and not longer get relief. So, if the crying gets worse or she begins to have trouble sleeping and not wanting to eat, you may want to look into another reflux med for her. This site has tons of information on infant reflux as well as info on food allergies and intolerances. www.infantreflux.org

 

I'd go really slowly with introducing new foods, or foods you think she's sensitive to. My kiddos didn't outgrow their sensitivities until they were 18 months or older.

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 

We now *appear* to have an explanation. She has cut a tooth! It is just above the surface but definitely there and I saw a little clotted blood on her gum right next to it. I don't think that was the cause of the blood but quite possibly the fussing.

 

Thanks for letting me know about zantac. It didn't seem to help her that much. As the only way to figure out is to stop giving it, I tried it and she doesn't seem to fuss anymore than she does when not feeding.

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