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My milk is almost gone

post #1 of 17
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I posted over at the breastfeeding challenges forum. Just wanted to post here too seeing as this is my second home.

Things were going so well after a hard road. Now my milk is going. I'll paste here from my other post:

My issue is that since this morning, my milk seems to have almost dwindled to a halt. I noticed it was acting up over the past few days. I tried pumping but since DS was born I have never had great results with pumping, as in I can't pump past almost 1 oz per attempt, no matter how long I sit down try for, both breasts combined.

DS has been gradually weaning himself from my right breast. Today I couldn't pump more than 1 teaspoon from there and got 3/4 of an ounce from my left side.

There are some factors that I should mention which could have something to do with what's happening:

1) He started to cut a couple more teeth over the past few days.
2) I am starting to get waves of depression over the past week or more.
3) Lots of stress and change happening in our lives - we've just moved house for example.
4) I suspect AF may be returning, hence the sudden onset of depression with a swollen tummy.
5) My thyroid levels check out fine but I don't think they are fine. I've always had symptoms of hypo which don't show up in tests. When I had a kinesiology session a few months back, the practitioner mentioned that I had a thyroid issue that was originating from my pituitary gland (not the thyroid itself) and he also mentioned in an unrelated way that making milk was hard on my body. Recently my hypo symptoms have been returning so that's why I'm mentioning it here.

I am eating lots of calories and fat despite my restricted diet. I am drinking a lot of water.

I don't know if any one can relate to this too but sometimes when my milk comes in (such as after I gave birth and other times when my breasts become a little more fuller) I get a raging migraine headache and my muscles become inflamed all over my body. I also get numbness in my hands and fingers. I guess it is hard on my body to make milk

Please, if anyone has any suggestions or insight, I would be so grateful. I tried pumping throughout the day, I could only get out another half ounce, both breasts combined. DS seemed to be able to trigger a few let downs over the course of the day but after much more work on his part than usual. And he's on the breast a lot less afterward. When I gave him a little cup of the half ounce I expressed he drank it hungrily and was pointing to me with the empty cup and shouting as if to say he wanted more. He was trying to drink more from the cup after it was empty. I tried and retried giving him Neocate (with BM and without) but he won't take it. If I am to flavor it I have to be very careful about what I use.

Thank you so much for reading my post xxx
post #2 of 17
Can you take fenugreek? That usually helps with supply while you figure out the other stuff.
post #3 of 17
Fenugreek, and Reglan are popular for increasing milk supply. However, if you're already feeling depressed I wouldn't do Reglan...it made me very depressed and lethargic. You can order Domperidone (Motilium) off the internet, but it takes a couple of weeks to get it usually. I had a horrible time with my milk supply and Domperidone was the only thing that worked to help keep it up. I would get horrible dips in my supply (to almost nothing) during my luteal phase. After AF came and went my supply would go back up.
post #4 of 17
I'm sorry, mama, that you are going through this. I don't have advice, just subbing. I am just over 5 months pregnant, and I think my milk is close to gone too. I had migraines when my milk first came in after DS's birth, but I attributed it to labor. Interested in hearing others' thoughts. My main interest is how to continue to nourish my FA toddler when my milk runs out, and until it comes back with DD's birth. Interesting info regarding what your kin test revealed.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by rhesp1212 View Post
I would get horrible dips in my supply (to almost nothing) during my luteal phase. After AF came and went my supply would go back up.
I think that's actually pretty common. Kellymom says it can be due to lower calcium levels during the luteal phase and to supplement with calcium. I tried that and it helped me a ton, so OP, it might be worth a try for you too. Good luck!
post #6 of 17
The headaches and mood changes do indicate that it could be a calcium issue...
Things that helped me with low supply were/are: cutting out sage and mints, eating oatmeal, Mother's Milk tea, double pumping every 2 hours for 20 minutes, feeding back pumped milk with a SNS. These things kept me at a point of barely supplementing DS2 with formula even while my thyroid was completely tanked.

I wish I could help with further information re: secondary hypoT. I have primary hypoT (hashimoto's) so my knowledge of the type you may be dealing with is limited/nil. You may want to ask about others' experiences in The Thyroid Thread. I'll also ask JaneS to weigh in here, as she's been reading much on "type 2" hypothyroidism.
post #7 of 17
Another thing to check is nutrients like folate and b12 and minerals like calcium and magnesium. Folate and b12 can directly impact dopamine levels, and dopamine regulates prolactin. They can also affect estrogen levels if it turns out to be hormonal.

With the hypo symptoms, there's a thread in the main H&H that Jane started. What I'm trying for myself is focusing on nutritional cofactors like b12 and vitamin A, to see if they can't alleviate some of my hypo symptoms.

I hope you can find something that helps
post #8 of 17
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Thank you so very much mama's for your support and advice. I've been away from the computer all day and just got the chance to get back on after settling teething babe and eating dinner.

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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
Can you take fenugreek? That usually helps with supply while you figure out the other stuff.
I do have some - thank you so much for the tip.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by rhesp1212 View Post
Fenugreek, and Reglan are popular for increasing milk supply. However, if you're already feeling depressed I wouldn't do Reglan...it made me very depressed and lethargic. You can order Domperidone (Motilium) off the internet, but it takes a couple of weeks to get it usually. I had a horrible time with my milk supply and Domperidone was the only thing that worked to help keep it up. I would get horrible dips in my supply (to almost nothing) during my luteal phase. After AF came and went my supply would go back up.
I am sure that I will have big challenges with my milk supply once AF appears into my life again. That's interesting about the dip during the luteal phase. I really don't know much about how it all works with hormones and milk production. I've spent all of my 'spare' time trying to figure out all of our food issues that I didn't really research anything to do with breastfeeding itself. Poor you that you had to go through this with your cycles
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by capsgirl08 View Post
I'm sorry, mama, that you are going through this. I don't have advice, just subbing. I am just over 5 months pregnant, and I think my milk is close to gone too. I had migraines when my milk first came in after DS's birth, but I attributed it to labor. Interested in hearing others' thoughts. My main interest is how to continue to nourish my FA toddler when my milk runs out, and until it comes back with DD's birth. Interesting info regarding what your kin test revealed.
Thank you mama for your post. I will also be interested to know how you would nourish your toddler during the dry spell until the milk returns after the birth. Congratulations BTW!!!

I had a migraine with each and every surge of engorgement in the beginning. It was quite severe. It felt as if the milk was pulling something from my bones as my bones were all feeling achy and numb at the same time, particularly my teeth. I saw some insight regarding calcium in the other posts, I must go check that out. The whole first month PP I kept on telling DH over and over again - I bet it's because I need more calcium. Thing is, DS reacts to calcium supplements and I can't do dairy...must sort the calcium out asap.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by mama9 View Post
Thank you mama for your post. I will also be interested to know how you would nourish your toddler during the dry spell until the milk returns after the birth. Congratulations BTW!!!

I had a migraine with each and every surge of engorgement in the beginning. It was quite severe. It felt as if the milk was pulling something from my bones as my bones were all feeling achy and numb at the same time, particularly my teeth. I saw some insight regarding calcium in the other posts, I must go check that out. The whole first month PP I kept on telling DH over and over again - I bet it's because I need more calcium. Thing is, DS reacts to calcium supplements and I can't do dairy...must sort the calcium out asap.
Reacts to them directly? Or through BM? Or both?

eta: Oh yeah and pumping at night tends to work better for some women to increase supply rather than day pumping. FWIW.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by bodhitree View Post
I think that's actually pretty common. Kellymom says it can be due to lower calcium levels during the luteal phase and to supplement with calcium. I tried that and it helped me a ton, so OP, it might be worth a try for you too. Good luck!
Hello and thank you! I'm surprised that I thought at the time it was a calcium issue - I just 'knew' it was but didn't have any information about it at the time. I just felt it in my gut and tried supps but none of them worked out as DS kept reacting to them. I was eating plenty of dairy during the entire pregnancy and didn't suspect anything would be amiss at the time. I wasn't supping and I obviously needed more calcium than I was consuming due to the baby growing, now that I think back.

Does anyone have any ideas for calcium supps whilst breastfeeding a highly reactive and sensitive babe?
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
The headaches and mood changes do indicate that it could be a calcium issue...
Things that helped me with low supply were/are: cutting out sage and mints, eating oatmeal, Mother's Milk tea, double pumping every 2 hours for 20 minutes, feeding back pumped milk with a SNS. These things kept me at a point of barely supplementing DS2 with formula even while my thyroid was completely tanked.

I wish I could help with further information re: secondary hypoT. I have primary hypoT (hashimoto's) so my knowledge of the type you may be dealing with is limited/nil. You may want to ask about others' experiences in The Thyroid Thread. I'll also ask JaneS to weigh in here, as she's been reading much on "type 2" hypothyroidism.
Thank you, these are all great tips. You know, I found that today my milk came back really well in the morning and afternoon (as in much more than my usual) and back to it's normal range towards the evening. How strange? Could it be that I was trying to pump and that I put DS on the boob every hour whilst he was awake? Perhaps the pumping, even without great output, actually did some good? I could do something similar to what you did and pump and give that milk to DS via a cup or something. He seemed to like the cup idea yesterday as to my surprise today in the bath as I was pouring water over him with a jug he took it and tried to drink the water! I think he's digging the cup thing I don't do mint because it's high is sals and I keep away from sage, parsley, etc. Oatmeal, he reacts to through my milk but I haven't retrialled it in a long while. Will need to find some without x contamination with gluten though.

Thank you also for the tip re thyroid thread/JaneS. I will be on it.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Reacts to them directly? Or through BM? Or both?

eta: Oh yeah and pumping at night tends to work better for some women to increase supply rather than day pumping. FWIW.
DS reacts to calcium supps and dairy through BM. Blood in stools with dairy and reflux with supps, although in all honesty I haven't trialled cal supps in a long time, something like 4 or 5 months. I think it's time though!

Night pumping sounds good to me. Also DS is sleeping so it's easier. We co-sleep but he goes down earlier than I do, so I'll have a little time. It's so hard to try and pump when you just want to hold, pick up, play with your babe! Especially when he's teething.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Theloose View Post
Another thing to check is nutrients like folate and b12 and minerals like calcium and magnesium. Folate and b12 can directly impact dopamine levels, and dopamine regulates prolactin. They can also affect estrogen levels if it turns out to be hormonal.

With the hypo symptoms, there's a thread in the main H&H that Jane started. What I'm trying for myself is focusing on nutritional cofactors like b12 and vitamin A, to see if they can't alleviate some of my hypo symptoms.

I hope you can find something that helps
Hi and thank you for posting! I've been taking folate and b12 over the past month, along with mag but not cal. So interesting about folate and b12 impacting domapine (which regulates prolactin). I know nothing about how this all interplays with each other. I've been trying to figure out the whole sulphation/methylation thing recently but know nothing about breast milk production.

Good luck with your nutritional work for your hypo symptoms! I need to get on it with vitamin A actually for my gut healing. Will be heading off to JaneS thread as soon as time permits. We've got a GI/hospital app tomorrow in London so will be reading up after that. Thanks again xx
post #16 of 17
I'd guess you're seeing prolactin issues, not calcium effects - and with your DS' history, I wouldn't try calcium just yet. Hormone balances is definitely a potential issue, so hopefully AF kicks in soon and things return to a better place.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
I'd guess you're seeing prolactin issues, not calcium effects - and with your DS' history, I wouldn't try calcium just yet. Hormone balances is definitely a potential issue, so hopefully AF kicks in soon and things return to a better place.
Right, it would be great for AF to show up and get me back to a more 'normal' hormonal state.
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