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post #1 of 13
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I just don't know what to do.

My DS (8) has been since birth very high needs, with an often challenging and difficult personality, developmental delays, and a lot of difficulty getting along socially. He goes through phases where he is just unable to function in groups or with friends or his siblings. Just tantrums and severe negativity (yes, we've tried many types of therapy over the years, nothing consistently has helped- that's beyond the scope of this post). He does have periods where he is pleasant and can handle life well. He gets along very well with adults and little kids. He needs 1:1 instruction and is very happy being homeschooled and I am happy homeschooling with him. He is absolutely delightful doing school at home but becomes a monster the minute we get into any social scene.

I do sign him up for occasional group activities like art classes, to widen his world and provide activities I can't do at home, and we're in a homeschool co-op once a week. He has no peer group or consistent group of friends or "best" friend. None of us are super social people who needs to be around lots of people, but obviously I do want him to learn how to get along in the world and work with and interact with others. Overall we are pretty relaxed hs'ers.

I do set up playdates with the few kids he's connected with. It's 50/50 success. Often he will get along great with the friend, but often he'll cry and fight with his brother during it or be super negative and rude to me. 9 times out of 10 when we pick up my 5 yo from school he throws a fit or picks a fight with his brother or the other kids at the playground there and we have to leave in a hurry.

Here's the issue: he throws a tantrum every single freaking time we go to the hs co-op and cries nearly every time I come to get him at any class I sign him up for, even if it's something he wanted to do. it's been over a year now and probably twice has he not had a fit at the co-op. it is usually over nothing, he trips, feels like he's being excluded (he's not), or some random made up perceived slight. I committed to myself and him that we would stick with this no matter what. it is a nice group of kids and parents who we've known for a long time, and it is a good opportunity to practice social skills in a safe place, not to mention good for ME since I am very isolated in caring for the kids and really don't get to see or talk to many adults at all. And my 5 yo who isn't even officially a part of it, participates and has a really good time!

It is so easy to quit things because he throws a fit everywhere we go and we have to leave. I wanted this to be the ONE thing we don't quit. If we don't do this, then he has no "class" and no social group and it's basically me and him at home daily with the only social interaction being picking up DS2 from school and occasionally playing with much younger neighbors. I don't want him to be that stereotypical isolated homeschooler. The same thing happened all summer with camp, he talked about it all year long loves the teachers, and was dying to go back, but had a tantrum every day and we had to end it.

So what do I do- stick with this because overall it is a good way to get social practice and it's a safe place to learn how to get along with others and be part of a group, even though it's really stressful for me to deal with. Or just quit all social activities right now because it just isn't working, have him just home with me, and maybe try again in a few months and see if he's matured any. It just seems wrong to deprive him of social activity if he cant handle it, because then he'll never learn if he's never in a social situation. But going through this is really awful for me and probably everyone else in our group having to watch it.

Please, be kind. This is really hard.
post #2 of 13
That does sound hard.

ARe you with him at co-op (ie in the sessions?)
Are his successes predictable?

I don't know that I would quit all activities for now but perhaps there are ways you could tweak them to make them work better for all of you.

I can share what has worked for us. My oldest is extremely introverted. He'd also likely be ID'd as having sensory integration challenges - lights, noises and smells can totally overwhelm him. He does not do well in large groups of kids as a rule and doesn't do well with the "typical boy" energy. He's also academically advanced/gifted and has always had the stereotypical challenge of relating to kids his own age, preferring kids who are either a couple of year younger or older. He's often quick to anger/meltdown/get hurt.

I gave him about a year after we pulled him out of school to settle and then we started to work on social connections.

I started a family enrichment co-op which meets every Friday. It's the same group of people (and has been the same for 3+ years now). It's mixed age and the parents participate so we all do all activities as a large group (about 25 kids and 10 parents). It's a mixture of field trips, hikes, volunteer work etc rotating through a variety of activities each month. This has worked well for him. He had come to know these families quite well. He has a mixed age group to interact with. He can participate or hang back as he needs that particular day and the format allows for that. He gets to know entire families including the parents which makes facilitating smaller play dates and co-ops easier. This quickly became the cornerstone of our homeschooling social circle and has taken the pressure off me feeling like I need to push him into participating in other things for social reasons. The parents are lovely and we all parent in similar fashions which makes it easy to handle issues as they arise to make sure all kids can succeed.

For a long time (I would say until he was 9 - 10) he was not interested in, nor did he do well in drop off programs, co-ops or classes. He's more independent now, but he/we are still very selective about what kinds of programs we try. He needs to really be engaged by the content and it needs to be a relatively controlled environment for it to be a success. We look for opportunities and spaces where he can succeed (ie a strong no-nonsense but engaging facilitator, an environment that isn't likely to overwhelm him etc)

Another thing that has worked is that his siblings are more extroverted and tend to have an easier time socially than he does. And so they naturally draw him into play and socially engage him in group situations.

When we do playdates, especially with newer friends, we always do a couple of outdoor activities (usually hikes) first. It gives him the space to pull back if he needs to and I can get a sense about whether they are a good fit.

We limit social times in order to give all of us time to recharge and connect as a family. We try to consistently have 3 full home days a week.
His dad and I do a lot of volunteering and facilitating of programs which helps him feel comfortable participating and allows us to coach him on social skills as much as possible. These sorts of situations also allow us to give him a job or role if he needs something to both engage and refocus. He's often the group photographer for example.

I hope something in here might help.
I can relate to the challenges and it is hard to know what is the right thing to do for the longer term health and happiness of our kids.
Good luck!
Karen
post #3 of 13
I am not sure what advice to give as I am struggling with this myself. I don't think I would be comfortable with tantrums every time he is at coop. Are there other activities he can try? Can his therapists brainstorm ideas with you for how to help him be successful?

In our case, I have accepted having dd's playmates be younger kids - she can play on their level and have a good time without as much support from me. At this point we are limited to activities where I can go with her (luckily a lot of homeschool activities are like this!) or that are designed for special needs kids.

It's tough trying to find something that works.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
I need to go to bed so I'll write more later. But thanks for your responses, it really helps to know that others have dealt with similar issues. Karen, so much of what you said I completely relate with, I could have written a lot of it. Rainbringer, I am going to meet w/ the therapist and get his opinion on this, just to get an outsider's view.

I talked to my dh and he thinks before quitting I should try not bringing my 5 yo since that's always a tantrum trigger for DS1- the 5 yo is very "typical" and subconciously that may be setting him off since this is supposed to be a "big kids" group and the 5 yo is actually doing better at it than his older brother.
post #5 of 13
He sounds like my son who has autism spectrum disorder.

I would move him to an activity where there is lots of movement and he is not forced to talk or left out. Such as, swim lessons. We are going to do that next semester at an indoor place. I took to staying with my son during art classes and we have about 6 weeks left and he has been tantrum free lately so I have stopped going with him. That class is 1 hr long.

One main trigger we have found is when they try to get all the kids to talk, such as introduce themselves. Or when the kids have to pick friends to do activities with. This usually leads to certain children being left out which is hard.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks so much for your encouragement and the ideas.  So much of what you said rings true for us.  He's also very sensitive and creative, not your "typical" boy or rambunctious. 

 

Usually I do not stay with him for things like art classes.  Actually his behavior is better without me there b/c I seem to be a target of his anger and he's in this pattern of acting out with me, and when another teacher is in charge he is typically better behaved. I am very selective about what teachers I would leave him with and make sure they related well to kids like him.  With art (which he loves, in general) he's usually crying about something like "my art isn't beautiful enough" or being frustrated that he couldn't work the clay well enough or make it turn out the way he wanted and he sees everyone else doing it easily.

 

In the co-op I'm there with him the whole time, and the majority of the time it does not go well.  There have been a few times he's gone off to play with the other kids and been fine, which has been miraculous!!!  Usually he gets upset that someone is excluding him, people aren't playing according to the rules he's dictated, etc.  My dh really thinks it's because his younger brother is there and even if he's not directly fighting with him, just his presence is putting him on high alert emotionally and making him prone to acting out. I'm going to try getting a sitter for my 5 yo just to see if it makes any difference.

 

When I really analyze where things go wrong, I realize that it's not during the lesson or learning activities, it's during the free play times where the kids are more on their own.  He just can't handle it.  He can sit in a group and participate in guided activities but when it comes to interacting with peers he falls apart.

 

I feel bad that his only friends are like 4 yrs old.  They will go off to K next year and he'll be all alone. 

 

I'm going to talk it over with the therapist and get his take on it.

post #7 of 13

DS used to have a lot of these same issues.  We benefited from a lot of therapies that help kids with ASD or SPD.  I am not sure if those are the type of therapists you referred to are that type.  FWIW, dietary changes made most of these behaviors go away in my son.  They still flow in and out but it is still miles better.  Before anyone gets mad, I know that is not the case for everyone but if it isn't anything you have explored, look around for some info....or let me know and I can send you some links.

 

It is a beautiful gift of homeschooling that you can cater his instruction to him.  It is because of these tendencies in my son that we ever decided to homeschool.  I agree with PP that other activities like swimming that are good for body and brain, require taking instruction but with less room for discomfort or conflict are a great choice.  Kids like this tend to do well with music also... I know that if we tried coop even a year ago, it would have been really similar. 

 

I feel for you also in this situation.  it is so hard and so LONELY.  *HUG*  Just love him and teach him what you feel is right.  I know that I know best for DS and that has gotten us really far- even if not along a usual path.

post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 

Tassy- Thank you so much.  I really appreciate your post.  It was better the past week- art class went well, it helped that the morning was relaxed (often it's not, due to circumstances beyond my control) and everything was low key so he was happy going into it and had a good time.   The co-op was better- I had my 5 yo be babysat so I could focus on DS during it.  He was pretty happy and participated most of the time, but still got upset over random things a few times (like people pronouncing his name wrong, kids not adhering to exactly how he wanted them to play) but he didn't flip out, just got upset but went to play in a different area.  So an improvement, and it was better that I didn't have DS2 so I could stay right with him.  I hate having my other son always be babysat or in school longer because DS1 needs so much of my attention :( 

 

I have been trying to figure out food senstivities since he was a baby.  Have never been able to figure out anything definitively.  I would love for that to be something that would help, since I feel that is do-able.  All I can think of is wheat/gluten.  he eats minimal dairy and mostly raw fruits/vegs and farm-raised meat, plus some snacky-type foods.
 

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Originally Posted by Tassy View Post

It is a beautiful gift of homeschooling that you can cater his instruction to him.  It is because of these tendencies in my son that we ever decided to homeschool.  I agree with PP that other activities like swimming that are good for body and brain, require taking instruction but with less room for discomfort or conflict are a great choice.  Kids like this tend to do well with music also... I know that if we tried coop even a year ago, it would have been really similar. 

 

I feel for you also in this situation.  it is so hard and so LONELY.  *HUG*  Just love him and teach him what you feel is right.  I know that I know best for DS and that has gotten us really far- even if not along a usual path.

Thanks for these words, that is really helpful to know that someone understands.  He loves music and does really well in piano.  I am happy that we are able to give him this and he and I can have the positive time homeschooling together.
 

post #9 of 13

he sounds a lot like my dd, who has asd. she is improving, but can still be difficult. i feel bad sometimes because dd talks about wanting to have more friends, but then when she does get a chance to interact with peers she is totally over-taken (she is shy/ introverted) and ends up being left out. it's just awful to watch :( . this is the reason i took her out of school before she even hit k. i have had to just introduce things really slowly. she does have friends now. a little neighborhood girl who is almost 5 (she does better with kids 1-2 years younger than she is), a few kids at her social skills group, and her cousin- along with other children she sees only occasionally. i'll be quitting work in feb and hope to get her connected with more children then and broaden her social circle then. i feel blessed being able to homeschool her, because i feel like school would just be a really hard thing for her socially. sorry, i realize this does not answer any of the questions you had. i just felt like blabbering! :D

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hi Leah- thanks for your post!  blabbering is ok!  We all need all the support we can get.

 

Well, I've had it.  Just at the end of my rope and don't know what else to do.  Seriously, I have been researching child psychiatrists all afternoon b/c Im ready to medicate him to whatever level it takes, and isolate him at home, for our family to be semi functional again.

 

I talked to the therapist last week and spent all kinds of time role playing with him in preparation for the homeschool co-op, practicing how to handle situations that might come up, helping him have the words and strategies in mind if things become difficult for him, preparing ahead of time for what time we'd leave, how much time we had, in detail making sure he knew the plan for the afternoon, making sure he was well fed, keeping the morning relaxed so he'd be in a positive mood, and NONE of it helped.  He got upset at how the kids were playing, and it took a lot of intervention on my part but didnt completely freak out.  Then it was nearly time to leave and I let him know 15 mins. ahead of time as we had planned, and he totally flipped out b/c he didn't get to finish playing with a toy and the toy wasn't working the way he wanted it to, and he screamed at everyone and stomped out. 

 

I am ready to quit.  I feel sick to think he will have zero social interaction, and our lives will be even smaller, and his world will now be almost completely at home and only with his family.  But what good is it serving to have him throw tantrums everywhere we go.  I asked him several times directly whether he wanted to continue with the group or if he truly did not like it, and he wouldn't give me a straight answer whether he still wanted to do it or not.  I guess I'm looking for some professional to say he'll turn out okay if we completely take a break from social interactions for a time, but I know that's not true, and that makes me so worried for his future and the future of our family :(

post #11 of 13

hug.gif  Sorry it isn't going well.  Hope you find something that helps soon.

post #12 of 13

i just realized too that i could have written your post last year. she has really improved over the last year. she was even out sledding with all the neighborhood kids not long ago. just trying to give you some hope that he may grow out of it eventually as well. every trip out of the house to anywhere except the grocery store used to be a disaster for us! many tears involved on both mine and dd's ends. try and be patient and do what you think is best for your family :).

post #13 of 13

My son is similar, but instead of being introverted, he is extroverted.  That said,  just 'cause he craves social interaction doesn't mean he is good at it.  I wish he could just have a tantrum, but my son lashes out and hurts people too.  He has sensory integration issues as well as having a high IQ ( by the way, you can have a learning disability and also be gifted!) and ADHD.  The way it was explained to me is that he has huge sensory defensiveness.  It is as if the world through his senses are constantly attacking him.  He is near a fight or flight state in many situations.  We try not overwhelming him as much as possible, and because he doesn't know how to monitor his own levels of overwhelmingness (is that a word?) we have to be proactive and transition to a calming situation for him.  Another thing is that my son is a perfectionist.  This perfectionism can lead to huge outbursts.  One thing is that if you want to work on social interactions, you could analyze what does work.  For instance, if a one-on-one playdate with a four year old works, hey, that IS social interaction.  The point is to grow and at his level, not necessarily at the norm.  Even though my son is not on the autism spectrum, we have found resources through the autism community, in particular, my son attends a once a week social group.  He also does a chess club with the group.  It is well supervised with professionals who know how to detect a rising situation before it goes bad. 

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