Okay, now I have read the entire thread. SO much was discussed by folks who know so much more about it than I do. SO, I just wanted to say thanks for the discussion. This was so long ago probebly none of the posters will see this, but it was certainly something I needed to read toight.
Can you be a Christian if you don't believe in Jesus? - Page 7
The relationship you have with God is the most important and surrender the rest. Talk to God often like you do without the religious "stuff" to get in the way of your relationship with God.. Maybe you connect with the term spiritual instead of identifying with a religion that tells you how to believe. Just a thought...but keep asking questions it the way to receive the answers you need.
I consider myself a Christian because I follow the teachings of Jesus (even though it sucks sometimes).
I don't know if he was the son of God. I don't know for sure that there is a heaven or a hell. I don't know for sure if it's true that Jesus is the only way to God. To me, that is where faith comes in. If for some reason not 100 percent believing these things means I will go to hell (if it exists) so be it. I still do not regret following the teachings of Jesus. I personally feel that it's far more likely there are going to be some pretty (momentarily let's hope) butthurt Christians up in in heaven when they look around and see a lot of people who do not share their theological beliefs that our church has murdered people in the name of purity over (such as trinitarian doctrine, ect.)
I think there is room for personal doubt in the practice of faith.
Who was it that first got to touch Jesus after the resurrection? The ones who claimed pure faith? No. Thomas was invited to touch, because of his doubt, and comforted. Jesus loved him, did not cast him out (a lesson IMO the church might do well to emulate), and he died a martyr just like everyone else. Obviously doubts do not preclude faith. It makes me sad that these days people act as if they are mutually exclusive.
They are not.
I don't know if this thread is still being followed, and I haven't read any of the other replies, but as soon as I read your post, Learning_Mum, I thought "Oh, she's a Muslim!"
I believe that you can be a Muslim follower of the Sunnah (or tradition/life) of Jesus, peace be upon him. "Muslim" literally means "One who submits to God" and Islam literally means "Submission/Surrender to God," or, to attempt to live in alignment with God's Will, and so as Muslims we believe that Jesus taught Islam and was a Muslim. He was a great and beloved Prophet.
Muslims believe in all of the same Prophets that Christians and Jews believe in, additionally believing that Muhammad was the last, the "Seal" of the Prophets. We don't call ourselves "Muhammadans" because we believe really strongly in not associating partners with God. So we try to emulate the lifestyle and values of our Prophets, peace be upon them all, but we acknowledge that we are Submitters to God (Muslims) only.
People get really caught up in thinking Islam is this very foreign, distinctly Arab religion, but that is a very narrow view of it. The feelings and beliefs you are describing are Islam--something that is very universal. We do believe that Muhammad gave us the most updated, uncorrupted instructions/guidance and we perform ritual worship in the tradition of the way he taught us, but none of that is in conflict with what Jesus taught. I am a white Midwesterner with a German/English heritage and I know many other converts like myself. We do believe that the Christian and Jewish scriptures have some remnants of the original teachings but that they have been corrupted and are not in their original, complete form. You might be interested in reading the Qur'an and what it says about Jesus' teachings. I would recommend Muhammad Asad's translation or this one: http://www.amazon.com/The-Quran-Oxford-Worlds-Classics/dp/0199535957/ref=pd_sim_b_34, if you are interested.
May God's blessings and peace be with you while you're on this journey. :)
I just came across this and haven't read the whole 7 pages, but I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. The trinity is seen throughout the entire bible- ot and nt. When Jacob wrestles with God- that was Jesus, when Abraham sees the LORD it was Jesus, etc. Then David many times talks about God not taking his spirit from him.
Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. He is the "photograph" of God. It was like God took a poloroid of himself and sent it to earth. Then The Holy Spirit is the breath of God. He is the whisper of God himself. It would be like my breath is part of me but separate.
At John 8:58, the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14.
Actually, he did not quote from Exodus 3:14
If you are very serious about having or finding truth
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