I'm not sure why I want to be a Christian. It's what I've always known? I want to start exploring religion and going to church and it's the easiest option?
I guess one of the problems I've always had is that he's the 'son of God' but he's not God but he is God. Does that make sense? To me he's either the earthly form of God or he's the son of God. I don't understand how he can be both. Also, God says in the bible to worship none other than Him but then he sends down someone that all Christians now worship instead of God....? See why I'm confused by this?
Your siggy says it all - "It's complicated!" ;-) It took several centuries and several ecumenical councils to explain it properly.
The Holy Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are God. Three in One, and One in Three. The Father is Eternal, the Son is begotten, and the Spirit proceeds (from the Father). Christ is the Son of God because He's begotten from the Father, but He's also God - second person of the Trinity. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1) - this is the Incarnation of Christ that many have had issues with through the centuries.
Do you think you could dumb this down even more for me? Basically God, The Holy Spirit and Jesus and all God in different forms?
Hi OP-- dumbing down or at least simplified explaining as requested, but first, I wish you the very best as you explore and grow your beliefs :Hug
Anyway-- I always had a problem w the egg and or apple explanation-- I am a pretty precise person, and even as a child realized that an eggshell does not an egg make! Yet I was told that Christ was fully God and fully human-- it didn't jive w me. Then I came across a brilliant idea (when it was my turn to teach Bible at church camp, LOL) the trinity is more like water-- yes, water. Ice is water, liquid water is water and steam is water. All are fully water, but have different characteristics and forms, yet all are water. I think even the "son of God" does not mean son in the same way as my DSs are my sons-- it was presented for our human brains to try to wrap around, IMO-- after all we are sheep-brained...
So after reading the link above and then doing some more research I have confirmed that I don't believe in the Holy Trinity.
So I guess I can't call myself a Christian. Which kind of leaves me stuck as to how to progress in my spiritual journey. I identify with Judaism. It feels right in my heart but I don't think that I could ever convert.
Have you tried asking Jesus if He is God? Or if your not comfortable praying to Jesus, ask God if He is Jesus. I could give you all kinds of verses, but that's not how I found out that Jesus is God. I found out by asking, Jesus are you real?...
So even though you said up thread that believing in the Trinity wasn't for you, maybe you might consider praying to God and asking Him to show you who He is. You may not get a lightening bolt answer, but gradually you may get your answers. I would also encourage you to read the Bible starting with the book of John in the New Testament. Even if you've already read it, try reading it again. The more I re-read the Bible the more I get from it.
ita with at least some form of prayer that you are comfortable with to seek an answer to your quandry.
To all the PPs who have joined the discussion:
Donning my flame-proof suit to offer another perspective. Historically, not all followers of Christ have professed belief in the Nicene Creed, the doctrine of Jesus as "only son of God". As Tradd pointed out up thread, this doctrine was "hammered out" in fourth and fifth centuries (precisely because there was dissent), so hundreds of years after Jesus' life and generations after the the lives of his early followers. Keep in mind that the term "Christian" was not likely used by the early followers, most of whom still identified with Judaism...
actually, Jesus is called the son of God in the scripture written far before the Nicean council, in fact written long before he himself was born a "son of man" on earth! (see Isaiah).
Also, Christians were called "Christians" in the NT (acts 11.26, 26.28, 1 peter 4.16) by contemporaries of Christ (Luke and Peter)
... The problem I have with that statement is that it ignores a LOT of what Jesus said. Sure, he said plenty of nice, compelling, ethically-interesting "generic" things, if you like, about social justice and religious puffery and humility and all that jazz. But he ALSO said some pretty darn specific, controversial, theological things. Like, you know, "he who has seen me has seen the Father". :p ...
This is not true. I'm assuming you're referring to is the first Council of Nicea, which was called together as a response to the heresy of Arianism. Just because a council was called to officially reject a heresy does not mean the Divinity of Christ was just pulled out of thin air in the 4th century.
right-- as also addressed above...
The point is (sorry to butt in Smokering) that Jesus claimed to be God. If Jesus was a great guy who taught important messages about truth and goodness but was not God, how do you reconcile that with Jesus' claims to BE God? He claimed the title "I AM" many times in the book of John (whose point was to establish the divinity of Christ and His place in the Trinity, [written around 95AD]) which to the Jews He was speaking to would be clearly God, the Father.
that exactly-- sorry I messed up your quote, but your point is still valid c: :yeah
"2)how you interpret "he who has seen me has seen the father.""
Yes, but then, that verse isn't the only one in which Jesus claims divinity. He doesn't correct the disciple who calls him "My Lord and my God", which is extremely significant - He certainly should have, if He wasn't. In John 13:13 He goes so far as to say (re the title Lord) "that is what I am". He claimed to be the Son of God on numerous occasions - and there is no indication that He meant a generic "we're all children of God" - certainly the Jews didn't believe He meant that, as they considered it blasphemy and making Himself equal with God. He claims the authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:1-12), which is something His audience knew was something only God could do. And that's the obvious stuff... there are plenty of other indications, like His statement to Pilate that "my kingdom is not of this world", the "I AM" parallels, and so on. If you want to figure out whether or not you want to follow Jesus - and I realise you don't, but the OP seems to be dealing with this issue - you can't just ignore those verses. (And of course, depending on your view of the other NT scriptures, there are plenty more claims to Jesus' divinity there. It's kind of... the whole point.)
right-- he would not have been tried for blasphemy if he was not very clearly claiming to be God.
When I hear some one say they are a "christian," I assume they believe something special about Jesus. Exactly what seem to vary a great deal.
If someone told me they were a Christian but didn't believe anything was special or unique about Jesus, I would wonder what they meant by "christian." It really wouldn't be very clear.
OP-- this is really my only question as well.