Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 1, **HERE THERE BE SPOILERS** You've been warned! - Page 3

[LemonPie]

YES!  The scene where Harry is rummaging around in Umbridge's office was making me motion sick.  What was the deal with that? 

[merpk]

Originally Posted by Irishmommy 

Originally Posted by merpk 

Originally Posted by Irishmommy 

Originally Posted by raelize 

dh has only seen the movies with me and never read the books and through each one he asks if its harry who ends up with hermione or ron.  he always forgets cause she is always so harry crazy in the movies
 

 Harry only ends up with Ron in some fanfiction. 

Only in some fanfiction.

The rest of it he ends up with ... Draco. 

 I did say some.  He really does belong with Draco.

Sorry, love.  In your dreams.

He (Draco) belongs with Hermione.

Harry can borrow him sometimes, though.  Because Hermione plays well, knows not to run with scissors, and likes to share.

Edited by merpk - 11/24/10 at 12:22am

[laohaire]

OK, I'm not taking the Harry (or Hermione) and Draco thing too seriously, but ... really? I have never felt anything at all between them.

Sure, Harry is decent to Draco. And in the last book, Draco returns the decency. (Similar to Dudley). But there is just nothing that I see... no interest, no thought to the other when they are not around. Just refraining from killing the other or letting the other die is all, really. Similar to Dudley, too I guess.

I got it... it's Dudley and Draco that were meant to be.

[journeymom]

Laohair, that's the spirit! Lol!  I'm pretty sure I read a fanfic with that pairing.

[Smokering]

Dude, it's fanfic. I don't think psychological realism or hermeneutics are high on anyone's list. I hear there's every pairing from Nagini/Ron to Voldemort/Hannah Abbot out there - it just doesn't bear thinking about.

Also, I loathe and abominate the concept of fanfic to begin with, but does no-one else find the underage porn thing... sick and vile? Especially the Snape/Harry fanfic, which apparently is quite popular? I mean, at the END of the last book the kids are only 17. It's like... writing erotica about the Narnia kids or the freaking Bobbsey twins - and yes, I'm sure that's been done too, but still. Ew. These are KIDS, people. Fictional, but still.

Going to see the movie again tomorrow with DH and my little sister. I introduced her to HP, so it'll be fun to see what she thinks. :) And I'll keep an eye out for weird/jerky camera motion - I didn't notice it the first time round. The hand-held camera during fight scenes is SO common in action films these days, though, it might not have made an impression. It used to bug me - I think Pearl Harbor was one of the first films where it was used, for about an hour straight, and it made me really sick and dizzy in the cinema. And I actually threw up in Cloverfield. :p (I was pregnant, though.)

[laohaire]

OK, I probably shouldn't have even touched that topic. I don't know fanfic from a cow pie. Never read it, only just now sort of imagining it.

Nevermind :)

[Irishmommy]

I've read a lot of fanfic, and the vast majority of it is over the age of consent, or they are all adults.  There has been very very little ick stuff that I've seen.

And for Harry/Draco?  There is a lot to be said for pulling pigtails, which is what a lot of it seems to be.

[Storm Bride]

Originally Posted by lorijds 

There were a few scenes I really missed, and I can't believe it would have taken too much to include.  

One, the scene of the Dursley's leaving, it just seemed wrong.  Too fast.  No lead up.  No reason for them to leave so quickly and quietly!  Why couldn't Dudley and Harry have shaken hands and exchanged a few words?  Why couldn't the reconciliation that took place in the book be briefly hinted at in the movie?

Why couldn't they have shown Luna's room?  The glimpse of a scene of posters with the words "Friends" has stuck with me since the first reading.  Not to mention the fact that the Harry Potter books, like other epic series such as Lord of the Rings, has loyalty and friendship as recurrent, important themes.  This would have added so very much to the movie, and taken such little time.

Why couldn't they have had the funeral for Doby?  Luna's words were so sweet, and the headstone is important, I think.  Even more so since Doby so proudly said those words "free elf" in the movie right before he died.

I haven't seen the movie yet (waiting for ds1 to have time - his schedule is insane). But, these all sound like scenes that might be included in an "extended" edition DVD at some point...maybe?
 

I'm also glad I've read the spoilers, because these woudl all have disappointed me.

[LemonPie]

I've been listening to book 7 on audio book, and last night I listened to the scene where Ron and Harry kill the locket horcrux with the Sword of Gryffindor.  Harry reassures Ron quite a bit afterward--telling him that Hermione cried for a week when he left, that he only loves Hermione as a sister, etc.  I remember feeling like that scene in the movie was incomplete.  I wish they'd finished it off a little better. 

[kittywitty]

Originally Posted by Irishmommy 

I've read a lot of fanfic, and the vast majority of it is over the age of consent, or they are all adults.  There has been very very little ick stuff that I've seen.

And for Harry/Draco?  There is a lot to be said for pulling pigtails, which is what a lot of it seems to be.

Yup. I've read a lot of fanfic in the past and it was all once they were adults.

[merpk]

Absolutely. 

There are sites that cater to high school kids writing about high school kids, but most of it that I've come across is adults writing about adults.  No, it doesn't all have sex, either. 

If you watch any TV or movies, likely you've basically, well, watched fanfic.  Star Trek episodes were frequently fanfic ... scripts submitted by (cover your eyes) fans and then reworked by the writers.  The post-Frank Herbert "Dune" books are the same thing ... fanfic, right? 

And I know and have worked with professional writers who write fanfic on their time off, essentially ... they get to play with plots and ideas and work them out with characters they already know and love, finessing them this way till they mold them into the original-character-fic they want them to be.  And there are others who make their living writing heavy technical or scientific material for a living, and for whom writing fanfic is like taking a vacation.

And part of the exercise is how to make believable what might otherwise be unbelievable ... like JKRowling managed to do with an alternative universe of witches and wizards living amongst us, and like these fanfic writers manage to do with finding ways for people who are polar opposites or lifelong enemies to come to a grudging respect, or a passionate love, as the case may be.

For me, it's intensive practice for my midlife career change to editing.  Am getting broken in by both wonderful and awful writers.  Am amazed that this life-changing career direction came about by reading fanfic, but that's the way it's happened.  It's exhilarating.

[Smokering]

I've definitely come across fanfic of the underage-porn variety (goodness knows how, as I don't go on the hunt for it - I think I was Googling to clarify a few biographical facts about various charatcers).

I see a difference between fanfic of the Star Trek episode variety and the JKR/Tolkien stuff. Star Trek was never just a one-man show, Roddenberry notwithstanding - it ALWAYS had multiple people involved in its creation, from costuming to actors ad-libbing, and it was never meant to be a one-author piece. I mean, it's not like the same writer wrote all the episodes of TOS. Same with comic books - there are comics that were started by one or two authors and "rebooted" later, but the nature of the genre (creatively AND legally, which is important) makes it less auteury and more of a team effort from the get-go. There are exceptions, Sandman being one, but I'm talking about the "bigwig" superhero comics, like Superman and Batman. The original writers didn't create the characters as we know them today - they're composites. Plus, of course, episodes of Star Trek, the X-Files, Doctor Who etc were ACCEPTED by the creators, meaning they had to pass certain standards of canon- and character-consistency... and generally written by fans who actually knew how to write (ie. previously published authors, often in a similar genre). It's not like they let any old geek air his version of the script where Data is revealed to be human after all and he and Troi spend 42 minutes having sex in a Jeffries tube.

On the other hand, JK Rowling very definitely DID write Harry Potter solo, just as Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings solo. The books are the specific visions of the authors, and it seems clear that the authors meant the characters and plot to be as they were. Given that, it seems disrespectful to say "Oh, I love your books, but I can do better" and mangle the characters. Does JK Rowling LIKE badly-written tripe about Harry and Draco snogging in hallways? I doubt it.... and I'm pretty darn sure Tolkien would have hated the very concept of, say, Legolas/Gimli slashfic for a number of weighty reasons. (Plus, with Tolkien fanfic, I've never come across a piece where the writing wasn't atrocious. Tolkien's a hard style to copy - people seem to think that it's just a matter of throwing in a few "glimmering"s and "fey"s and "O! alas!"es, and it.... ain't.)

I also loathe a fair bit of the "legitimised" fanfic. Sequel to Gone with the Wind, anyone? Or mutilating the Anne of Green Gables characters and plot in 'The Continuing Story"? (The previous adaptations weren't perfect, but at least they were adaptations... the Continuing Story plot was just, well, despicable bilge. And there will be kids who watch that and think that's how the story goes, which really riles me.) And I've only read the original Dune, but no, I wouldn't read the books written by someone else... why would I? They're not "real" Dune. They don't continue the story, because the author MADE the story and he's no longer with us. It wouldn't be "finding out what happens", it'd be finding out someone's idea of what might have happened, which isn't the same thing at all. (Similarly, I can't stand the non-Laura-written Little House books - the quality of the writing is so far below the originals, and they read very much like a money-grab.)

*ahem* OK, this is getting long and ranty and I need to go to the dentist.

[LemonPie]

Originally Posted by Smokering 
I also loathe a fair bit of the "legitimised" fanfic. Sequel to Gone with the Wind, anyone? Or mutilating the Anne of Green Gables characters and plot in 'The Continuing Story"? (The previous adaptations weren't perfect, but at least they were adaptations... the Continuing Story plot was just, well, despicable bilge.

 

Oh I hear you.  The Jane Austen fanfic really riles me.  Most of it reads like Harlequin romance novels, if not outright soft porn.  I just want to yell, "HELLO?  Have you READ Jane Austen?"

[Mrs.Music]

Originally Posted by Smokering 

On the other hand, JK Rowling very definitely DID write Harry Potter solo, just as Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings solo. The books are the specific visions of the authors, and it seems clear that the authors meant the characters and plot to be as they were. Given that, it seems disrespectful to say "Oh, I love your books, but I can do better" and mangle the characters.

I have to agree with that.

Anyway... As for the movie, I thought it was definitely well done. More adult and more artistic than previous movies. And with a lot more attention to the book, I think. Of course no matter how long someone makes a movie, they can never really get it all right. DH and I saw it in IMAX opening day. And apparently being pregnant gets you moved to the front of the line so you can sit on a  bench where it is warm instead of on the hard ground near the door. Lol. DH thinks I should be pregnant for all major releases. Nothing like being first to pick your seats for HP IMAX on opening night.
 

[Sol_y_Paz]

I really liked this movie.  

[journeymom]

<tangent> Over the past year we've been watching all of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  It's a first time for me, I didn't watch it the first time round.  We're part way through the last season and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.  But after having read a whole lot of HP fanfic I'm really struck by how fan-fictiony the show feels. Or, maybe I'm seeing how a lot of HP fan fiction writers were Buffy fans.  But season six of Buffy seemed like the writers were playing with the characters like Barbie dolls, making them have sex with each other in all sorts of configurations.  Anyway.  </tangent>

ANYWAY, I'm really looking forward to going back and seeing Deathly Hallows Part I a second time, and I didn't feel that way at all after HBP.  I was positively depressed after both OotP and HBP. 

[Smokering]

I'm not quite sure which pairings you mean. Buffy and Spike were a long time coming... I'm trying to think what other "configurations" occurred in Season 6, and drawing a blank. I can think of one unexpected encounter, but that was in Season 7, I think (so I won't mention who, in case you haven't seen it yet!). Season 6 definitely went to some dark places, but I think it's one of the strongest seasons - I loved how Buffy returning from the dead wasn't just a convenient "Meh, she's back, let's carry on" thing but had HUGE implications for the whole season.

Now the Season 8 comics definitely have some fanfic elements. :p And as a point of trivia, both Sarah Michelle Gellar and Nicholas Brandon were pushing for a Buffy/Xander relationship for the last couple of seasons. Fortunately, Joss said hell no. :p

[MissRubyandKen]

I loved it!

Thing I wish were in the movie-

Luna's room, after the near drowning scene Harry reassuring Ron that he feels only brotherly love for Hermione, Harry retrieving Mad Eye's eye from Umbridge's door, and Dobby's funeral scene. I also think they should have included a short scene showing them planning going to the ministry. Its totally out of character for Hermione not to plan at all and that seemed odd. Also I don't recall a scene with them figuring out that saying Voldemort caused them to be discovered, which is pretty important I think.

And I totally loved the scene with Harry and Hermione dancing. There was a lot of depth to that scene and it was meant to feel awkward. Very well done. I've never felt that Harry and Hermione were 'too touchy feely' or that they were anything but platonic best friends. They totally love each other and it is obvious to me that they are best friends.

Oh yeah, and I forgot, did they ever actually get to a scene where Tonks and Lupin told about her pregnancy? Wasn't that supposed to happen? I thought she might have been about to tell at the beginning of the seven Potters scene. Am I remembering wrong?

Edited by MissRubyandKen - 11/27/10 at 10:09am

[journeymom]

No, you're right. They didn't say they were expecting.

[MadiMamacita]

Originally Posted by MissRubyandKen 

 Also I don't recall a scene with them figuring out that saying Voldemort caused them to be discovered, which is pretty important I think.

...

I thought she might have been about to tell at the beginning of the seven Potters scene. Am I remembering wrong?

yeah to the voldemort thing. maybe that will be addressed in the next installment? and no "Potterwatch" on the radio!

it did seem like she was going to announce at that time.

For some reason I thought Harry was in disguise during the wedding. I'll have to go back and re-read.