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post #21 of 56

Do other people's kids not listen to music?  If they're old enough to listen to CDs, I don't see why they aren't old enough to listen to MP3 players.  This is the current technology for listening to music.  It isn't odd or different or above what we had when we were kids, it's just what is used now.

post #22 of 56
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Do other people's kids not listen to music?  If they're old enough to listen to CDs, I don't see why they aren't old enough to listen to MP3 players.  This is the current technology for listening to music.  It isn't odd or different or above what we had when we were kids, it's just what is used now.



It is VASTLY different than it was when I was growing up.  When I was a kid, at least, listening to music was a family affair and it was on an 8-track player that didn't have headphones at all.  I know I'm one of the older mothers here, but I find these devices to really isolate families.  I see WAY too often, everyone plugged in to something different and not interacting with each other.  That just doesn't work for this particular attached family.

 

Then again, we don't listen to anything that is inappropriate for a child, so that may make a difference.  Dd (8.5) does have a very cheap MP3 player that she uses in the mornings on her hour-long trip to school.  She listens to books and kind of snoozes on the way, as it's early and she's still tired.  She wouldn't be interacting with us anyway and that's the only time she uses it.  She doesn't even use it on the trip home because we talk instead. 

 

Music, we share, though, in the car or at home.  It's nice because dd is exposed to a lot of interesting music including classical, baroque, world, jazz, and opera, which she probably wouldn't choose on her own without someone else interacting and engaging her with it.  I think kids miss out when they just listen to "their" music through headphones.  There is a time and place for it, but I see it abused more than used wisely and I'm not willing to start down that road.  JMO.

post #23 of 56

I'm over 40 and I had my own record player to listen to Sean Cassidy on in my room.  I had headphones too.

post #24 of 56
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Originally Posted by mamazee View Post

Do other people's kids not listen to music?  If they're old enough to listen to CDs, I don't see why they aren't old enough to listen to MP3 players.  This is the current technology for listening to music.  It isn't odd or different or above what we had when we were kids, it's just what is used now.


yeahthat.gif I had my own record player when I was around 5 or 6 to play my own 7" kids records and books on record. Then I had my own tape recorder when I was around 8. Then I had a walkman, and then a discman. I always had my own music device, and headphones.
post #25 of 56
Why does a 6yo need an iPod? What happened to listening to the radio or a CD in the car, or putting a CD in the player at home? I just don't get it.
post #26 of 56
sorry, double post.
post #27 of 56

Just curious, how much are these gadgets?

 

We don't have an iPod or MP3 player. Not because of any objection to them, just that we don't spend any money on consumer goods, only necessities.

 

If an iPod is $300 I can see why people would be reluctant to spend that kind of money for a gadget for such a small child.

 

If they are $30 or even $50 I can see it being comparable to us mom's having had record players in our rooms when we were kids (I did too - a cheap plastic record player when I was 4 or 5, and then I got the hand-me-down record player from my parents' set when they upgraded their system).

post #28 of 56

An ipod shuffle is about $50.  The nano is more, maybe $100 to $125?

post #29 of 56

Well, I'm a tightwad and have weird moral issues but it seems that that kind of money is spent on small children regularly in this time and place anyway. I understand the video game systems cost a fortune, for instance. And you can expect years of use from your iPod until the battery dies - I guess my primary objection would be there, built-in-obsolescence. But it's clearly not the concern of the OP, so I would say an iPod must be appropriate for even very young children.

post #30 of 56
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Why does a 6yo need an iPod? What happened to listening to the radio or a CD in the car, or putting a CD in the player at home? I just don't get it.

But what's the difference between a kid having their own CD player and their own mp3 player?
post #31 of 56

An mp3 player played through speakers at home can be better than a cd player.  They hold a lot more, there aren't any cd's to scratch, or get little fingerprints all over, if you bump the player ( or dance too exuberantly on a squeaky floor!) it's not going to make the disc skip.  I think it's totally fine, as long as you take precautions about the volume level.  We listened to tons of tapes and records when I was a kid, I remember doing it as young as 4 or 5, though I had an older sister to do it with.  We had our own radios and tape players.  We absolutely loved recording our own made up programs and shows on our tape recorder.  I wouldn't allow it at family times (dinner etc) but I don't see the harm in it otherwise. 

post #32 of 56

And if you want music, you can get it online instead of buying something physical, so there is less waste.

post #33 of 56

That's a very good point, CDs (and DVDs) come with a lot of packaging and they get scratched all too easily. In fact, while we have ways to play DVDs (though not a DVD player that goes with the TV - we stopped buying them after the 3rd device broke) we reduced borrowing DVDs from the library and started borrowing more VHS tapes. Bulky, yeah, and inferior output, but man, they LAST.

post #34 of 56
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An mp3 player played through speakers at home can be better than a cd player.  They hold a lot more, there aren't any cd's to scratch, or get little fingerprints all over, if you bump the player ( or dance too exuberantly on a squeaky floor!) it's not going to make the disc skip.  I think it's totally fine, as long as you take precautions about the volume level.  We listened to tons of tapes and records when I was a kid, I remember doing it as young as 4 or 5, though I had an older sister to do it with.  We had our own radios and tape players.  We absolutely loved recording our own made up programs and shows on our tape recorder.  I wouldn't allow it at family times (dinner etc) but I don't see the harm in it otherwise. 


I have that problem all the time here with scratched up CDs and the discs skipping from the dancing being a little too rowdy.  I never thought to get a soundsystem to hook our players too, hmmmmm maybe the girls will be getting one this year for Christmas that will work with dd1's mp3 player (and also with my iPod for when I'm home alone like now).  I'm going to have to hit the electronics store this weekend with dd1's player and see what they have that will work with it and my iPod.
 

 



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And if you want music, you can get it online instead of buying something physical, so there is less waste.



That's EXACTLY how we do our music mostly.  My girls adore having CDs to put in their little radio, but with a 3yo who has this strange obsession with chewing CDs (we really try not to ask, instead I just immediately put the music onto our computer so it is always available) we are regularly having ruined CDs and DVDs.  We have to get creative in storing our music and movies, and the girls enjoy having access to them any time they want, so mp3 players and PS3 hard drive (we also are planning on purchasing an external HD for our computer just to keep movies on here in the near future) is how we store most of our music most of the time.  And not having CDs around to be chewed up by my 3yo means that we're putting out just a little bit less trash to the curb, which may or may not make much difference to the environment but it makes me feel better to think that I save that little bit going to the landfill.

post #35 of 56

My girls have had ipod shuffles for three years now and they have been a blessing. Both kids get carsick if they read or focus on anything close up in a moving vehicle. They can't read, colour, play video games, do puzzles, and the ipods give them something enjoyable to do. Sometimes we all listen to music together, but sometimes, everyone likes to make their own choices. The ipods are treated well, and are worth their weight in gold. One dd likes to listen to the same story or song over and over and the other and the other hates repetition. 


Edited by TEAK's Mom - 11/21/10 at 5:47pm
post #36 of 56

CD's are also a lot more expensive.  You have to buy the whole album, even if there are only a few tracks you enjoy.  With digital songs, you can pick and choose what you want - and even if they are .99 cents each, you are paying for the ones you truly love. 

 

I know people fear kids who are always listening to music and not engaging in family life - but that's not my reality at all.  Maybe in the teen years?  And at that point, I can see kids who shut everyone out and are into their music being more likely if they weren't allowed the freedom to listen to what they want, when they want when they were younger.  I suppose you could forbid ipods then - I just can't imagine being that strict with a teen.  Reminds me of parents who didn't allow walkman or discmans.  Silly, and controlling, IMO.  Yes, it would be annoying to have kids who sit at the dinner table listening to music and not conversing - that is in no way how it goes here, though.  Might actually make for a quieter meal - LOL.  ;-)  With four kids eager to share about their day or mess with each other, it's never dull.  But I see that as a common courtesy/respect issue, not a musical one.

 

Anyhow, my kids are 9, 7, 5, and 3, and even the oldest only uses her mp3 player once or twice a week - and usually when she does, it's hooked up to the little speakers she has in her room, or we connect it to the central stereo system that runs through our house.  My 7 yr may listen to music every great once in a while - like on long car trips.  My 5 yr old, I actually encourage him to use his ipod b/c he has sensory issues, and for him, it's a nice, calm distraction to have familiar sounds playing through his earbuds while he is doing something else -- but even then, it's only a couple times a week that he really uses it.  We do listen to a lot of music otherwise, though (car, home, garage, even outside there are speakers when they are playing in the yard), so maybe that is why they don't utilize their ipods as much as other kids might.  I still think they are worth the money (less than $50 for ipod shuffles, and then DD has an MP3 player that plays video and I bought it on Black Friday last year for $29).  We do movies digitally for the TV/computer as well, b/c maybe it's just my home, but anything on a disc doesn't last very long without getting scratched, lost, or broken. 

post #37 of 56

I have to say that I'm not wild about my kids having much screen time at this age (9 and under) so I would not entertain this idea for our family.  we have a couple I-pods and they do use them to listen to audio books but we've never played games on our iphones and haven't shown the kids that tool either.  I'm a little disturbed by the number of people at restaurants and in public areas who are focusing on a teeny screen in front of them rather than the life all around them.  I realize that these gadgets will be part of life for our children but I'm not worried about them needing to hone these 'screen skills' before puberty. When we have to wait, I use this time to observe what's going on around us, talk with my children or strike up conversations with strangers, think quietly to myself, at restaurants, on planes and waiting areas- these are places where people used to read and I want my kids to learn the skill of waiting or finding a way to use your time without the aid of an electronic device.  Anyone else feel this way?  

 

post #38 of 56
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Why does a 6yo need an iPod? What happened to listening to the radio or a CD in the car, or putting a CD in the player at home? I just don't get it.

But what's the difference between a kid having their own CD player and their own mp3 player?


Ha! To be honest, I have no idea what an MP3 player is, even. We have the one computer, no cell phones or other hand-held devices, and an old record/cassette/CD stereo. My kids have a CD player in their room. We tend to buy our CDs second-hand, but the bulk of them we borrow from the library. So I guess I'm just living in a different world from the rest of you! And it's a world where spending $100-$400 on an electronic device for a six-year-old to listen to music just wouldn't happen.
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Why does a 6yo need an iPod? What happened to listening to the radio or a CD in the car, or putting a CD in the player at home? I just don't get it.



But what's the difference between a kid having their own CD player and their own mp3 player?




Ha! To be honest, I have no idea what an MP3 player is, even. We have the one computer, no cell phones or other hand-held devices, and an old record/cassette/CD stereo. My kids have a CD player in their room. We tend to buy our CDs second-hand, but the bulk of them we borrow from the library. So I guess I'm just living in a different world from the rest of you! And it's a world where spending $100-$400 on an electronic device for a six-year-old to listen to music just wouldn't happen.


I see where you are coming from (yes, a bit of a different world - said in a nice way), but MP3 players are as cheap as $20, and songs can be found for free -- especially children's songs.  So, it's likely a lot cheaper than the CD player your kids have in their room.  The only difference is the size, making it portable.  Also, something like an ipod shuffle is pretty hard to break, whereas, my kids would probably destroy the cd player tray or top part -- not even intentionally, just after a lot of use.  Just like CD's get scratched and skip - but then, I think my kids are younger than yours and obviously not as gentle and careful (we are working on this, just being honest here). 

post #40 of 56

Yeah, you can get older generation ipod shuffles cheaper if you look around, and there's lots of kids material available for free.  And you can get off-brand MP3 players really cheap.  This isn't something that has to cost much, and for kids who love music it's nice to have everything stored in one tiny little device.  I don't see why they're different than any other music device.  And I don't think of listening to music or stories as "screen time".

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