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post #21 of 41

That sounds horrible.  I am still trying to figure out how to deal with the aftermath of the party.  As far as not telling them about the birth of the 2nd child I would react differently.  If it was me I would still send them some sort of message that the little guy was born. If they choose to respond..well that's their problem.  At least you told them yourself and they didn't have to find out through someone else.

My Mom had issues with her inlaws (my grandparents).  There were even a number of years when I was very small when I didn't see them a whole lot.  It happens.  I wish I got along better with them.  I think what I hate the most is that my inlaws do not just say their peace. They are as nice as pie to your face and then the knives get thrown in  your back.  And when you confront them on it, well you misunderstood or you over reacted, etc, etc.  I would give my eye tooth if they would just say their peace and be done with it.  I would sooner know where I stand than the two faced business.  I don't care if people hate me or love me. Just be honest with me. I respect that more.

I could give you tons of stories but frankly there isn't enough room and I don't want to ramble.  I want my DH to stand up to them more.  

I think you are right to give yourselves distance from the situation.  And I will pass on some advice that a dear friend gave me.  If all else fails and you can't reconcile the situation just remember that you have your parents who want to have a relationship with you, your DH and your child(ren).  And if they are terrific (and I know they are) then that makes up for it.  My parents are terrific.  They love my son to death and he quite clearly has them soundly wrapped around his little finger.  They live wih us and I do believe we are truly blessed to have that experience.  I know what it is like to have a grandparent that doesn't treat you nicely.  But my Mom's mum lived with us and I adored her. So I didn't pay any mind to the fact that I had one grandparent who, lets face it, wasn't the nicest person on the planet. Don't ask.  My son has the benefit of that now as well. 

I try and keep things civil for my son's sake. It isn't his fault that we all don't get along like peas and carrots.  When he is older, it will be his decision what kind of relationship he has with them, if any. But that will be his choice. Just like I had the same choice given to me.  When I was older I eventually understood the issues my Mom had with my grandmother.  My Mom would always say "ok, now go give Grandma a hug and kiss." I dutifully went along until I was about 8ish. Then one day I said 'mom I don't want to.' and she never made me.  She always said, that was the day I made my choice.   But looking back on all of it, I don't think I would have understood if my parents stayed away completely.  But in your situation, if they choose to have nothing to do with you, that is their loss. And a decision that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.  One day, that is a decision they may come to regret.

Chin up. Have faith things will rectify themselves one way or another.

post #22 of 41
Hello
Feel so connected to those of you who are posting. Have many similar stories myself. My inlaws have been excluding of me, malicious, cruel etc etc. But I had an epiphany very recently. After a 43year marriage, including no contact with mil and sils for a while,but then contact resumed, I have finally got the very basic point that the only person you can change is yourself. I have a strong belief in a loving family which has propelled me to try to maintain contact as best I could, even if based on duty because of their rejecting behaviour. But you know what...? I don't have to do this. If I am not treated with respect, I am free to move on. My mil is 89 and again, my values say that the old should be cared for etc. But truthfully a recent piece of cruel inexplicable behaviour has ensured that i see my mil ifor the tough selfish old woman she is and will always be. I truly believe I can let go of all contact with her. She has daughters whom she has always prioritised and they who live closer can care for her. The " poor mother" manipulations from her and sills won't work any more. Halleluja! Please all wish for me that I can choose to act in my best interests rather than hers. My husband of 43 years. It is sad but I am losing respect possibly have lost it for failing to put the boundaries in place. He's like a little boy afraid of her.
Those of you out there suffering this, please take care of yourself and insist that your needs are put into the equation. It's taken me far too long to get there. You can change yourself. I know it is difficult if young children are involved but one day they will grow up and see things for what they are. My daughter actively dislikes her father's family and my son is indifferent.
I haven't shared my stories...they are so similar to yours, but I know what it's like to be bound up in them, reverberating round your head. Try for your own sake to let go, and let go of the mil relationship if necessary if you need to do that to take care of yourself.
Go in peace.
post #23 of 41

I am glad I found this thread.  There are others out there about hating MIL, which i find the word "hate" to be very strong and abrasive, but I digress.

 

My MIL was abusive to my husband as a child.  For this, I have difficulty forgiving her, especially bc he has some issues that have not been resolved as a result.  Pretty much every time we fight, it culminates into him having a psychological breakthrough that ties back to his relationship with his mother.  I feel positive that the cycle of abuse stops with him; I never worry for a second that he will treat our daughter the way he was treated.

 

but i don't want my in laws to be a part of our daughter's life.  I see the way they treat the children who live close to them and its appalling.  My BIL has 3 daughters and I can't stand being in the same room with him.  I'm mostly just commiserating.  I don't believe it will be possible to cut them out of our lives, but I can be sure they are never alone with my child, and to talk to her about their behavior and why its wrong.

post #24 of 41
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I would start documenting your in-laws' behavior. It is VERY hard to win in court when grandparents sue for visitation. Even when women try to keep their kids safe
from ex-husbands, the judges think it's just sour grapes and lies and have many times approved visitation/partial custody with men who really were dangerous.


Actually, that is not typically true. Many states have ruled against grandparents having rights unless there are child welfare issues, or they deem the situation unfair. Most of the time, when a husband and wife are still married, and neither parent wants their children to see the grandparents , the grandparents just arent going to win.
post #25 of 41
joy.gif:joyI have been married 24 years. Sadly, I have toxic in-laws. Mine never got better with time. I haven't had contact with my husband's family in a year and, "I Love It!" I was tired of the constant insults, especially when it came to my children. My husband has a sister and when she, his parents' princess, messed up her life it was my family that had to suffer. There is no reasoning with these people. They know everything better but yet are always the victims. It is important to protet your children. It is crucial to have good role models for your kids, which includes family members! My FIL belittled my oldest daughter giving the impression that she was dumb. (He did that to me as well.) We are too good for them. I am soooo excited about my new outlook on life! My husband and I are doing better than ever now, now that I gave him the ultimatum. We are at peace. My MIL is awful! She does intentionally mean things and says terrible things...always.

I am sooo happy now that I don't have to listen to her cut down all of my milestones! When I announced that I was pregnant with my first child she told me not to tell anyone because I might have a miscarriage. When we asked if she wanted to be there for my second baby she said, "heavens no!" When they came to visit after child 3 was born my FIL said, "Look at that pug!" When my fourth child had a tumor, at age 3, my MIL said that it was my fault because tumors didn't run on their side of the family. The list goes on and on. Yes, even my wedding was ruined!
Now I will rejoice with nice, happy, positive people that respect others! Wahoo! :-)
post #26 of 41

I agree with the fact that I thought I could deal with it until my son was born. I wish I had been saying something the whole time. Now I am so bitter that any little thing they do makes me so upset. Thank god they live a few hors away and hate driving. This sucks. I am sorry ladies.

post #27 of 41
I am currently reading, "Toxic In-Laws" by Susan Forward. The book is amazing! It gives you exercises that a therapist would do. (The author is one.) My MIL had to be the center of attention all of the time! I haven't finished the book yet and I am eager to see what the author suggests. Hang in there!
post #28 of 41
Just wanted to update, we did end up sending a message when our son was born, and got a response of "hope your labour went well". Gee, thanks. Then nothing at all from them for 6 weeks, then out of the blue last week fil emailed us asking to come see the kids, and wants to put everything behind us...we said yes, and agreed to see them this weekend. We are skeptical though, and aren't letting our guards down. A relationship with them would be good, but only if it is healthy for us and our children. We will see what happens this weekend, am hoping it goes well.

I find it is so different when your children are part of the dynamic, for us that's when everything changed and we decided to stop the manipulation. We don't want our kids treated that way, and don't want them seeing us treated poorly. Messing with us is one thing but messing with our kids is a whole different ball game, and we won't let them be a part of their craziness.
post #29 of 41

Ill be thinking of you :)

I hope everything goes well, but make sure to keep us updated.

 

You are so totally right about how things change when you have kids. Good luck with the visit.

post #30 of 41
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Ill be thinking of you :)

I hope everything goes well, but make sure to keep us updated.

 

You are so totally right about how things change when you have kids. Good luck with the visit.

 

 

Absolutely, many people I know have said that protecting their children gave them the strength they needed.  My DH broke contact with his parents before we had a child and looking back on it, they were a very big reason why didn't have one sooner.

post #31 of 41

Doing my happy dance that MIL moved far away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

post #32 of 41

Reading all this makes me feel so much better ! I am just going through a very difficult separation with an emotional abuser and found out the hard way , that his parents , who always acted like they were on my side ( or at least liked me ) are really a couple of backstabbing censored.gif

post #33 of 41
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Reading all this makes me feel so much better ! I am just going through a very difficult separation with an emotional abuser and found out the hard way , that his parents , who always acted like they were on my side ( or at least liked me ) are really a couple of backstabbing censored.gif

 This is what I am affraid of. My partner is getting more and more verbally abusive and I am affraid his parents will jump at the chance to be in the drama if it gets out. Not to mention fund any type of lawer he might need.

post #34 of 41

Oh yes , you have to be SOOO careful about that . My in-laws were always so nice , all sugary-sweet " all the kids are the same " and bs like that ( I have older kids from a previous relationship .

And now , Mister censored.gif went home to visit them ( thank God they live 800 km away ) and told them all kinds of crap , like one of my sons stealing stuff fom him , which I KNOW for a fact , that he didn´t and now his father says , he ( my son ) is not welcome there anymore  and he also told them , that I am a crazy pet hoarder .jaw2.gif

Sure I am , if you consider someone , who has 2 old ( 14 and 16 years ) cats , that are spayed , vaccinated indoor pets , that have been with me all their lives , a HOARDER !!!

Oh yes , and one of my kitties was lying NEXT to my youngest daughter , who is 9 months and his Mother was saying , she saw pictures of the cat laying on top of her , smothering her ! I mean , apart from that not even possible , who heard of a cat smothering a child , but it is pure bullshit !

All I can tell you , make sure , everybody knows , what he is like , go to a counsellor , talk to your kids teachers , if you have any , tell your friends , but don´t make the same mistake , one of my friends made and hide it . 

She was always saying , those things are private , when her hb became more and more abusive and when it escalated , she had a hell of a time getting people to believe it , since at first everyone was like " oh sure , NOW you are saying that , how come you never did before if he was supposedly so BAAADDD ?"

post #35 of 41

Oh crap.  My BIL (with whom MIL moved in) is losing his job.   I'm hoping SIL will help take care of MIL because we just can't.  (Financially or emotionally.)   

post #36 of 41
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I find it is so different when your children are part of the dynamic, for us that's when everything changed and we decided to stop the manipulation. We don't want our kids treated that way, and don't want them seeing us treated poorly. Messing with us is one thing but messing with our kids is a whole different ball game, and we won't let them be a part of their craziness.

I hope your visit goes well, and that they are willing to change their behavior. 

 

We just got finished with an almost two month visit with MIL, FIL, SIL and her two kiddos and oh-boy did the poop hit the fan. FIL has never liked me (before we even met he decided I was no good), but MIL and I have had a somewhat good relationship over our 11-year marriage. SIL is a flake, and we don't have a relationship at all, neither do her and my DH.

 

This trip, the trial for us potentially housing our in-laws in the future has completely ruined our relationship and opened my DH's eyes for the first time about his fathers actions. FIL talked down to me constantly, but the real problem is that both MIL and FIL clearly favor SIL's children, and actively dislike our second. DH has bad memories of "knowing" that his Grandma liked the other grandchildren better, and they really screwed up by making the difference so.very.obvious in the way the interact/treat the offspring of each of their children.

 

By the last two weeks, said second child would do all he could to stay away from them. He would ask "is Grandpa going?" about everything and immediately choose the opposite.  Little kids are smart, it's to bad us old people take so long to catch on.

post #37 of 41

I stumbled upon this thread and decided to join the forum. :) yay! Unfortunately the reason is because I have toxic/abusive in laws as well as some of you ladies. Our messy relationship takes me back over a year to when the crap hit the fan during our engagement. It has been eight months since I talked to them at all and I can say that no contact was the best decision for us. They were verbally and emotionally abusive as well as extremely controlling to my husband and I. Their behavior has not changed even though we have stated time and time again that what they did was wrong and we no longer feel comfortable even being in the same room with them as long as the behavior continues to be abusive. They see nothing wrong in their actions towards us and I'm honestly not sure if they will ever change. 

 

My husband and I are moving on, trying to be happy and live guilt-free. They are six hours away and although this may seem like a lot, there are so many reminders they are still quite active in our lives (or try to be in their own messed-up way). When all the drama happened a year ago, I picked up the book Toxic In Laws by Susan Forward and decided my in laws are controllers, starting off a very unhealthy relationship as toxic parents who verbally abused and belittled DH all his life. They are well-to-do people who claim to be Christian and never see anything wrong with their actions. Last year they went as far as to manipulate and badmouth me to my place of employment because I refused to give in and do what they wished when they wanted me to. Even remembering what they said and did to me, their accusations on my character for no reason... it makes me sick to this day. I live in apprehension that they will someday show up on my doorstep demanding to be let in my home. I wouldn't put it past them to break in or travel all the way down out of the blue. I honestly think they need professional help to counteract what they think is right and wrong in the way they treat others. I try hard not to pull the race card, but I am hispanic and have seen firsthand how my husband's family treats and talks of people who are different from them. I do think this plays into how they treat me vs anyone else in the family, and how they treat my husband now, too. I can give more examples as to why I think this but let's just say I dealt with racism I've never before experienced during my dating time with my now-husband. 

 

My husband and I have made the decision that we really would like a child in the next year or so. We yearn for one in our hearts and I am excited to have a new and hopeful future with him and our family together. :) I'm scared, too! :( I know that when I do get pregnant there may be a world war three with his family, demanding to see us/the baby when we don't wish to see them at all. 

 

Any advice from wives who are mothers with toxic in laws? My husband tells me that when I am pregnant he will beat off the baddies and not let them close to me because he doesn't want that kind of drama to upset me while I have other things to worry about. I'm ready to move on and so is he. I'm just so apprehensive that it will get 100 times worse when we are expecting soon (hopefully!). 

Thanks for reading this and I really appreciated this thread. As Susan Forward said in an interview I read, "When you have to choose between your mental health and your in-laws, always pick your mental health." This is exactly what we've done and how I'd like to keep it. 

post #38 of 41

I can really relate to this topic. My inlaws are recovered drug addicts that still have a lot of emotional issues. My partner was grossly neglected during most of his childhood, even taken away for a year by CPS. My mil likes to shift this blame/guilt onto me and anyone else within shifting distance. I've never been a good enough mother etc. She made life hell for me when my son was an infant. There are always these dirty looks and snide little digs here and there. Basically just ill treatment that I never had to deal with from my own other mother. I honestly think she is jealous that we are doing so much better than she was at our age. My fil is a misogynistic pig that dropped out of highschool in 9th grade. I don't know why I let his rude and accusatory comments (my partner is on drugs, we starve our dogs etc etc) get to me considering he is literally the dumbest person I have ever known...but I do. He is my partner's step dad and he makes it well known that he favors his biological child whenever possible. One of their favorite hobbies is starting loud, trashy fights that culminate in us leaving in a hurry. I can't believe I have to live like this, I was not raised in these circumstances. Unfortunately we have had to depend on them for financial help in recent years which has led to us being caught in a tangled web of shit. I have always been extremely gracious for any financial help we get from them but we both plan to cut them out of our lives as soon as possible.

post #39 of 41

wow, mamas. I'm so sorry we all have to deal with these folks as parts of our families now. I too had great parents, but both my parents passed away. My hubby has 2 parents, his father does not speak to him at all, and I have only met him twice, but his mom has been quite toxic to both of us.. well, his whole life, and me, I've been with dh for 10 years. The part that keeps me coming back to try and have a relationship with her is that she is my kids' only grandparent. We actually had times where the two of us grew quite close, closer then she was with her own daughters. But I get the little side digs too, and when she visits her comments are always first about what's "wrong" with everything, not anything positive or supportive. Last year she came when our 3rd baby was born and her and I had a fight.. I basically did not want to hear her constant parenting advice. Since then we haven't heard much from her, except her surprise visit during the 4th of July where she showed up and demanded to visit with our kids. She didn't call me all year to hear about the baby, even after I tried to keep her informed about him when he had surgery, etc, but she would call dh's sister and she would get to share all his milestones about him like he was her son. I've started emailing her again last week, just cause it was her birthday, and I still care for her in my heart, but again, her emails brought me to tears, so yeah, she's pretty much cut out of our life for the most part. DH tried and tried for years, but I think he's had enough and doesn't give her much contact anymore. It is sad, b/c I came from a very loving, respectful family and it's so hard to understand something different, when family is supposed to care for and support each other. I don't really  know what to do about our relationship with MIL, I think I will see if my library has the toxic in laws book, that looks helpful.

post #40 of 41
I have been married six years and I have only met my in-laws once. I'm not sure if I will ever see them again. My mother-in-law and I are non-compatibly crazy. I have PTSD and signs say she is probably schizophrenic. She won't get help.

My kids and I write letters. We actually have a reasonably good relationship through snail mail. Not email. It is too immediate and hostile to use emails. Letters are a lot more limited and slow.

I have no family to share with my kids. They need something. It is hard finding a middle ground.
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