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post #21 of 36
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Oh Wow adorkable, some serious missconceptions being shoved at you! Placentas dont ever get worn out! Some placentas are gritty and pale and small when the mum births biut they are like that all they way through, it doesnt just suddenly happen at some random point in a pregnancy!

 

 Twins development, seems to be a little ahead in early pregnancy, but slows down towards mid pregnancy and twins born early (pre term,) often need more NICU/SCBU time than singletons of the same gestation.

 

 I believe the only ideal time for ANY baby to be born is the date they choose. Ofcourse, if there are maternal or foetal health problems that cant be rectified any other way, then birth could be better, but it is crazy talk to say twins should come at 37/38w :(

 

I am 41+3 today :)

 

Almi, your signs sound promising!!!!! Wonder who of us will go 1st????

post #22 of 36

a-o-t-e, do you have any good recommended reading that talks about what you just said? i am not doubting, i am just wanting to learn more and maybe have some info to give those around me.

 

as for me personally i will not let anyone induce me just for dates so I'm not really that worried. i more wonder in general and love to understand more and why so many seemingly knowledgeable folks say so many contradictory things!

 

 

here is to you having a wonderful smooth and blissful birth!

post #23 of 36
Usually when people say a placenta has "worn out" they mean that it has calcified. The more calcification, the less healthy placenta tissue is supplying oxygen and nutrients to the baby or babies. This is happens as a normal part of the placenta aging, and usually doesn't get to a point where it adversely affects the baby or babies, but it can cause problems if the placenta calcifies too much too soon. It can also be a sign that something else is going on, such as PreE if excessive calcifications are visible on ultrasound.
post #24 of 36



 

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Originally Posted by rhiandmoi View Post

Usually when people say a placenta has "worn out" they mean that it has calcified. The more calcification, the less healthy placenta tissue is supplying oxygen and nutrients to the baby or babies. This is happens as a normal part of the placenta aging, and usually doesn't get to a point where it adversely affects the baby or babies, but it can cause problems if the placenta calcifies too much too soon. It can also be a sign that something else is going on, such as PreE if excessive calcifications are visible on ultrasound.


 



Yes, this is also my understanding--and one time saw such a placenta (birth at 43wks) and the baby had clearly lost a little weight in the final days.  She and mom were both fine, btw--baby was big enough to handle a few ounces lost, and mom's milk came in very fast (24hrs) so all was well from birth onward.

 

I'm sorry I don't have links to share, but in a discussion on a mw forum a few years back, this very issue of optimal twin gestation came up.  One mw had lost one twin in the past, at 40+wks gestation, and had done extensive study of the topic.  According to her, the general surveys of twin health compared to gestational age showed that 37-39wks was optimal.  Now, this was all based on research from hospital births/OB care, and when I asked about homebirth twin studies there was no response.  I have to assume that we just don't have sufficient numbers for good studies w/respect to homebirth--and this is also true for hbac.  But there is no doubt that in general, natural-minded/hb/UC mamas are, as a group, more attentive to things like diet and lifestyle matters that impact pregnancy health--more attentive than the average OB or average OB patient.  I kind of assume--with things like twins, hbac, pre-e, GD, some other higher-risk situations--that there is most often a real and highly positive difference in outcomes made by diet/self-care efforts..  And these are not things so well promoted by most OBs; and they also deal with a more 'average' population of women--and a broader range of women, including crackheads and so forth--so of course, their statistics and assumptions are going to be skewed in the direction of 'least common denominator': in this case, the basic common factor of twins, without any other factors weighed in.

 

So, for the twin mom who IS taking good care of herself, and paying good attention to her own signs and her babies' signs too, gestational age at birth is not so critical a factor as seems to be implied by the 37-39wk limit deduced from the med research on twins.

 

If that makes sense!

 

 

post #25 of 36
Yeah this does clearly make a good amount of sense. Just to add the midwife that told me her thoughts on it being 37-38 weeks is a very hands off home birth midwife with decades experience and over 50 twins caught. So all things being equal is probably in a better place to look at those numbers of home twins than any else I have met. She has also done most of her work on the last decade with the Amish, so in general a VERY healthy martial minded group of ladies with little to zero medical intervention.

Now to be clear she is not saying any of this to pre sure me to do anything, she believes that that is when they naturally come and that it is for a reason that they are ready. I'm sure if I asked her what she thought of when a set naturally came at 41w and she would most like say that when they were ready.

The one and only OB that i have spoken to that wasn't full of it, said something similar. He mentioned that he disapproved of his hospitals policy of inducing at 38 weeks, because he generally disliked inducing anything. But that it seemed to be a mostly moot point because he looked back and saw that less than 5% of twins made it to an induction date. Instead they ended up a mix of natural labor starting a few days earlier than 38 on average or some other complication popping up. He did not know at the time of our chat how many were in each of those last two categories, and I would have loved to hear that.

In general I ask these questions for three reasons, to learn in general, I have found this pregnancy the most fascinating thing I have ever experienced. Another reason is simply one of vauge planning. I am flying my mother across country for birth support and setting up a new home, so even though I can never tell what my experience will be like, history of others is still the best insight I have available. Lastly if I do for any reason end up more involved with OBs or the like, I would love to be armed with the info to back up me telling them to go take a hike, not that I really need back up, I'm a strong lady that takes care of myself.

Thanks for the chat ladies, have wonderful births!
post #26 of 36
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The previous 2 posters have it really well covered Adorkable. I dont have references at my fingertips, but know that a general google search wont be helpful lol. If you visit midwifery or natural birth forums, there is usually many a list of references on lots of topics. I'm in Australia, so the forums I hang on will be different to the ones here.

 

 As for your midwife and her experiences, I am glad youre happy with her, but there is a reason I am freebirthing even with twins ;)

 

41+4 today :)

post #27 of 36

I had a bit of time to check in on everybody. Life is BUSY these days!!! LOL! I can't believe you beat me and made it past 40+2!!! Congrats on making it so far! You'll have some great weights on your 2! I honestly thought both of mine would be over 8 lbs since I was so huge and went over my 40 wk EDD. They were both great weights but neither made it to 8 lbs. I was so glad that I was not rushed in this twin pregnancy and they did not come any sooner than they did.  I was so entirely ready for babies but not feeling anxious about it either. I think I just reached the point of being content until they arrived without the anxiety or urgency. Can't wait to hear your birth story! I'm glad mine has been such an encouragement to you. I know that all I did the last 2 weeks or so was read nothing but positive stories of both UC and assisted homebirths. And when the time came it was so entirely peaceful because I was at such peace. 

 

I"ll be checking back  in daily until I hear news!!

post #28 of 36
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Thanks medicinemansgirl. It means alot that you had the time to post here. I am not anxious either, but am really ready if that makes sense!

 

42w in the morning....Feels kind of crazy to be typing that but there you go!

 

How is life with twins for you?

post #29 of 36

Wow 42 weeks with twins.  You go girl.  I was just wondering what was going on with you.  Hang in there!  =)

post #30 of 36
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Thanks labortrials. 42w +1 today....heading towards +2....finding it very very hard to keep going :(

post #31 of 36
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Thanks labortrials. 42w +1 today....heading towards +2....finding it very very hard to keep going :(


hug2.gif Awww mama, you're doing such hard work!

 

What has you feeling done? Physical discomfort or more the mind game? Or just a combination? Any reason would be so understandable!

 

Can't be long until you'll be holding your babies. luxlove.gif

post #32 of 36
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Originally Posted by a-o-t-e View Post

Thanks labortrials. 42w +1 today....heading towards +2....finding it very very hard to keep going :(



I know you must be frustrated! I admire your determination, and I hope you're holding those babies soon!

post #33 of 36
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Thanks both, it is the mind game Funny Face. Physically i am fine, but the waiting is soooo hard. This is the longest pregnancy I have ever had! Will start some gentle natural stuff tomorow I think - nipple stimulation, maybe an orgasam or two lol

post #34 of 36

enjoy your natural stimulation mama :)

post #35 of 36

Good luck to you, a-o-t-e!!! I can't wait to read your birth story!

post #36 of 36

just for the info if folks see this thread, she did not end up having twins, she was preggo with a singleton and had a good birth. I'm not sure what made her mistake things for being twins.

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