Delicious December 2010 Chat - Page 11

[Theloose]

No need to break quotes up now, cause we can reply in-quote and it's still quotable. Just a lot of deleting of old stuff. Quoting on iPhone/ipad is a pain though.

I'd trial trace soy and consider it a different food from big soy. Kind of like trace corn is different from big corn. I think gluten and soy are going to be the last things for me to trial. My body does NOT like soy! Definitely getting dairy and corn back first.

Before I forget, anyone else like the idea of turning the supps thread into a nicely organized wiki? With a table or something and an entry for each vitamin, the preferred form(s) (and why), ballpark dosage, if it goes through milk, interactions with other nutrients, favorite brands, basic function, etc. I wonder if deficiency/toxicity symptoms would be useful there, or if that would make it way too huge and overwhelming and eventually filling in pages for each individual nutrient would be better? This would be like the cliffs notes version?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine 

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Originally Posted by FireWithin 

Baby girl is getting cradle cap on her forehead.  The vain part of me is bummed and the mama who has worked hard is bummed.  That said, I know what I need to do to fix it.  Biotin for a quick fix, but clearly her gut needs more appropriate bugs.  I'm working harder on getting the infant probiotics that Jane recs into her.  And then good stuff into me.
 

Stupid second quote hiding... 

I saw those early days of discovering all ds's reactions and symptoms and whatnot as sort of a treasure hunt to show me the weak spots.  I figure there was no way I'd be able to figure it all out in advance, but it was so much easier to figure out with him than with dd, for so many reasons.  I turned it into more of a game and got excited each time I found a piece to click and make things better.  He got cradle cap all over his eyes/forehead too, and the vain part of me was very bummed as well.  Now he still has residual baby acne at 8mo.  I feel total responsibility and that it reflects me and my health, but the rest of the world just sees it as part of him and not my fault at all.  I can't wrap my head around that.

So does cradle cap = needs biotin?  My younger DS has this in a major way.  I know we still have gut issues too.  He also has a peanut allergy and tended to get rashes when he got a virus when he was a toddler.  I have taken this to mean that maybe his system is sort of over-reactive.  He also right now has the chicken skin bumps on his arms AND legs.  What does that mean?

How much biotin should one start with?  He's about 45 pounds.

For ds, cradle cap seems to mean corn, and maybe soy.  For dd, it's near-constant, even with me on high biotin.  The only time it went away was when milk came back with ds, so she was getting nutrients again, and before she started eating corn all the time.  It seemed to come back with the corn.  Actually what's interesting right now is that her ear crusties are just about the best they've ever been (like post-milk, pre-corn) and the difference right now is high dose vit A (me) and a total gut reset (complete with mood improvement) after the stomach flu (both of us).  She's still nursing.  So I'm seeing dysbiosis causing increased need for biotin, and biotin is more of a band aid.

Originally Posted by momofmine 

Wow, you guys have been hard at work, as usual!  That wiki page is amazing!!  So, are the 23andme and the Yasko tests similar?  I guess I am asking, does doing both help to tell you more of the picture, or are they testing all the same things?  Is one better than the other?

Check the end of the guess your genetics thread for a comparison I posted.
 

[Lady Lilya]

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[True Blue]

Gluten would make life easier all around, IMO....even if she tested it and passed in such a way that you only let her have it sometimes...like going out to eat, at friends' houses, etc.

Soy....I'd be happy just to have trace soy tolerance, even is soy sauce itself was out.  Having soy mostly makes food away from home easier, but having gluten makes both easier...IMHO. 

Obviously I've been giving DD2 gluten again vs soy....lol.  I havne't noticed anything different with her having some wheat.  If anything, it seems to be making her bm's even better than removing sals did.  I'm still making gf food, but I'm not fretting about some yummy crusty bread or her eating some of DS's crackers.  I wanted some chocolate other than Enjoy Life though, so I made some cookies with ghiradelli chips...and I think it's passing fine.  It's only soy lecithin, which I realize is fine for most people but I was scared to try even that given her reaction to straight soy (crazy anger).  I'm happy with trace soy being ok, we don't really eat it anyway.  Need to try both kids on soy sauce though, or at least DS, bc he wants sushi again!

[tsfairy]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn 

Originally Posted by tsfairy 

I'm jumping for joy here - I got some mag into DS! It seems ridiculous, but he's been so resistant to taking anything that I'm just so happy to get something into him. Of course it was at midnight because he was up instead of sleeping, but hey I'll take my small victories. ;)

Yay!

Do they not like the drinks/whatever you've come up with, or are they resistant to the idea of pills/supplements altogether?  Cause seriously, buying tiny pills and teaching them to swallow them (Deb's idea of covering them with maple syrup to get them to go down) will really make your life easier.  Dang, I forgot to order the pill encapsulator thing, must do it today!

 

DS2 won't take anything. He hates the taste of the mag no matter what I put it in, and he can't/won't swallow pills. I do get some melatnonin into his drink most evenings because he really fights sleep lately. This was DS1, and he was doing ok with me adding stuff to his drinks for a while, but then decided he just hated it all. I even had him swallowing up to a half pill of melatonin on his own (so .5mg) so I got excited and bought some teensy 400iu vit D gelcaps, which he refused to even try to swallow. I really need to get some high dose D drops.

Oh I take it back, they'll both happily take cell salts. :)

Ooh maple syrup might work! Never thought of that. That will be quite a treat for them too. 

[ASusan]

I don't know if this is an allergy thing, per se, but it may be nutritional/supplemental.

DS was in a whiny phase for the past week or 2, and had meltdowns whenever he was told "no." (no matter how nicely it was put, or how re-directing we attempted to be)  I thought maybe it was because we were coming off a week of family visiting, where we had less of a schedule, and he had lots of 1-on-1 with my sister (who is FABULOUS with him - she mainly works with children with autism, so "managing" DS was a  breeze for her). I thought maybe his increased emotional fragility was related to her leaving, but it went on all week.

The weekend was particularly tough, although he had one-on-one almost all weekend, with either myself, DH, or both of us. He had tons of fun at an indoor playground. But, man, I was glad to get him back to daycare Monday morning.

Monday I also started him on Focus Factor for Kids, and making sure he had his Nordic Natural's DHA CLO daily. My decision to start him on a vitamin stemmed from the fact that he stopped nursing last week (yes, in the middle of the whiny week). My decision to use Focus Factor was based on the fact that it was the ONLY one available locally that didn't have any artificial flavor or color or any of his allergens. Here is a link to the ingredients - http://www.factornutrition.com/index.php/product-family/focusfactor-for-kids#

A link to the Nordic Natural's he's been taking - http://www.vitasprings.com/children-s-dha-liquid-8-oz-nordic-naturals.html

Prior to this, he was probably getting 1/2 tsp CLO 3-4 times a week.

He's been a breeze all week. No melt downs, no whining. When he is told no or is disappointed ("We're going home for dinner. We're not going to the gym today."), he frowns and sometimes makes a whimpering puppy sound. That lasts less than 10 seconds, usually less than 5.

I have NO idea if it is a coincidence. I wouldn't say that he has more focus, but man, he is back to his happy self, and *I* am happy about it.

[tsfairy]

I can NOT do roaches or mice. We found mouse droppings in our closets (filled with 10 years worth of papers and junk!) when we moved and I was just paralyzed with ICK. Here in the south the roaches are indeed unavoidable. The big tree roaches roam the neighborhoods but I've never had them in my house thankfully! When I was in high school my parents rented a house briefly that was infested with the smaller roaches (German? the little slimmer brown ones. gag.) They tried everything to get rid of those things, and nothing worked. We lived there for only a few months, which was much too long for my liking!  We never had a problem before or since but I still have nightmares about that house.

Oh and they eat the glue in cardboard boxes, and drywall, and wood, and each others' droppings and ew ew ew! 

Originally Posted by ASusan 

Soy. It's easier to get out of the system if there IS a reaction. And it's hidden in freakin' everything (not that you do a lot/any processed foods).

Second on the apple crisp to share. It's super-easy to make, and to make allergy-free. Also doubles as breakfast if there are leftovers.

Tell DH that fish oil works just as well as an anti-inflammatory. He's allow the frozen peas, though.

Agreed that ROACHES are the things I cannot handle. DH had them in a basement apartment in DC. Ugh!! And I had them in a 3rd floor apt outside Sydney, Australia. (took several months for them to eventually reach the 3rd floor. My friends on lower floors got them first.) And, don't get me started on my SIL in Atlanta and the roaches. You just can't avoid them in the south, I think, unless you do extermination. I mean, they eat PAPER BAGS and other non-food-to-humans.

[chlobo]

Did I mention I got picked for a jury.  Not feeling the love here.  And now I can't keep up either.

[tsfairy]

Originally Posted by chlobo 

Did I mention I got picked for a jury.  Not feeling the love here.  And now I can't keep up either.

Yuck! Not fun at all.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by True Blue 

Gluten would make life easier all around, IMO....even if she tested it and passed in such a way that you only let her have it sometimes...like going out to eat, at friends' houses, etc.

Soy....I'd be happy just to have trace soy tolerance, even is soy sauce itself was out.  Having soy mostly makes food away from home easier, but having gluten makes both easier...IMHO. 

Obviously I've been giving DD2 gluten again vs soy....lol.  I havne't noticed anything different with her having some wheat.  If anything, it seems to be making her bm's even better than removing sals did.  I'm still making gf food, but I'm not fretting about some yummy crusty bread or her eating some of DS's crackers.  I wanted some chocolate other than Enjoy Life though, so I made some cookies with ghiradelli chips...and I think it's passing fine.  It's only soy lecithin, which I realize is fine for most people but I was scared to try even that given her reaction to straight soy (crazy anger).  I'm happy with trace soy being ok, we don't really eat it anyway.  Need to try both kids on soy sauce though, or at least DS, bc he wants sushi again!

I use the Coconut Aminos for sushi and it tastes the same to me. Maybe I'll try her on trace soy. That's a good idea. Like a soy lecithin or a soybean oil and see how she reacts. Then she wouldn't know she was having it so it would be a blind test. I just have to find something that has it, but doesn't have the other stuff in it!
 

Originally Posted by ASusan 

He's been a breeze all week. No melt downs, no whining. When he is told no or is disappointed ("We're going home for dinner. We're not going to the gym today."), he frowns and sometimes makes a whimpering puppy sound. That lasts less than 10 seconds, usually less than 5.

I have NO idea if it is a coincidence. I wouldn't say that he has more focus, but man, he is back to his happy self, and *I* am happy about it.

I don't know which it is either, but it sounds like it's great!! That sounds like a pretty drastic change to be coincidence though.

 

Originally Posted by chlobo 

Did I mention I got picked for a jury.  Not feeling the love here.  And now I can't keep up either.

My half-brother loved being on jury duty. I have no idea who would feed my kids if I were picked though. But crossing my fingers, I have never been picked for jury duty (DH either). Feel the love. Feel the love.
 

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by chlobo 

Did I mention I got picked for a jury.  Not feeling the love here.  And now I can't keep up either.

Annoying, but with a pre- school aged child at home, can you be easily excused?  I've only been picked once at a time when I was able to go (others were WA state juries when I was in TX for college, I think once when the kids were little--well, I guess they're still little but it was at least 3 years ago).  And that time, we just sat forever, and apparently potential jurors sitting there was enough to make the defendant plead out.  It was all quite odd but I've got to say, the people we dealt with at the courthouse were all quite nice. 

[chlobo]

They do not consider child-care issues to be a hardship.  I'm sure the judge would have laughed in my face if I had raised it.

They told us at the beginning that the "threat" of a jury trial often makes people plead out.  This is a civil case, so a little different.    We all keep hoping that they will decide to settle but so far, no go.  The court people are all very nice.  It's just boring & very inconvenient.

[tsfairy]

Originally Posted by chlobo 

They do not consider child-care issues to be a hardship.  I'm sure the judge would have laughed in my face if I had raised it.

They told us at the beginning that the "threat" of a jury trial often makes people plead out.  This is a civil case, so a little different.    We all keep hoping that they will decide to settle but so far, no go.  The court people are all very nice.  It's just boring & very inconvenient.

Here in TX being the sole or primary childcare provider to a child under (10? 12?) is a valid excuse for opting out. Once when I got called I sat forever while the defendant plead out, another time I wasn't picked for a civil case because I claimed a conflict of interest.

[True Blue]

Wow, Florida is the same way.  Being primary care provider for small children is definitely an instant, by-mail excuse.

[lil_miss_understood]

I say Andra (strong and courageous) and Adah (ornament- a trophy of your challenge overcome) or Aisha (life). I'm glad you were (more) prepared.

I'm pretty sure they don't have cameras on the buses, which is why we're considering a tape recorder for him. It seems that all the problems are occurring at the bus stop, partly when this teen is sitting there on his bicycle before riding it to school. We have involved the principal and will be involving the police if there are further issues, I think. I'm sorry our situation is aggravating you. :( I'm calming down some (in between incidents I just don't have the energy for sustaining that level of annoyance between times.) and trying to think of the best way to approach this. The school(s) are already aware. DH is talking about possibly putting a camera at the end of our driveway so that we can see and record the bus stop. We've also discussed involving the police in an informal manner rather than lodging a formal complaint.  DH's concern with going to the bus stop to this point has been that it could escalate things. Blah. I think my brain may explode.

You know though, I can totally understand his mother's position. As far as she knows, he's being unjustly accused. Although, how she can not see that it would be incredibly intimidating to have the mother of a kid who (possibly) threatened you, or another kid in front of you, getting in your face and saying "He didn't do this, did he?" is totally beyond me. Ugh. Sorry. :(

That's wonderful about DD2's foods.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by lil_miss_understood 

I say Andra (strong and courageous) and Adah (ornament- a trophy of your challenge overcome) or Aisha (life). I'm glad you were (more) prepared.

I'm pretty sure they don't have cameras on the buses, which is why we're considering a tape recorder for him. It seems that all the problems are occurring at the bus stop, partly when this teen is sitting there on his bicycle before riding it to school. We have involved the principal and will be involving the police if there are further issues, I think. I'm sorry our situation is aggravating you. :( I'm calming down some (in between incidents I just don't have the energy for sustaining that level of annoyance between times.) and trying to think of the best way to approach this. The school(s) are already aware. DH is talking about possibly putting a camera at the end of our driveway so that we can see and record the bus stop. We've also discussed involving the police in an informal manner rather than lodging a formal complaint.  DH's concern with going to the bus stop to this point has been that it could escalate things. Blah. I think my brain may explode.

You know though, I can totally understand his mother's position. As far as she knows, he's being unjustly accused. Although, how she can not see that it would be incredibly intimidating to have the mother of a kid who (possibly) threatened you, or another kid in front of you, getting in your face and saying "He didn't do this, did he?" is totally beyond me. Ugh. Sorry. :(

That's wonderful about DD2's foods.

It's an elementary school bus stop, correct? Or is it for all grade levels? Because if the teenager is on his bike threatening younger kids at their bus stop, then it is a problem for more than just the principal (as in are both kids in the same school or is one elementary and one middle, or one middle and one high school, or are all the schools together). I'm just aggravated when I read about it. In between times I go out and get wood for the woodstoves and curse expletives while my kids are at school and can't hear me because it hurts and I didn't have them fill up the garage woodrack  last night. And since it's been below freezing all day (single digits last night and tonight) we're running both stoves so we're going through a lot of wood. So that was aggravating me just as much. I just hate bullying.

Okay, fess up. I got another box of chocolates in the mail. It looks like it's straight from Enjoy Life (on their website I don't even see a place where you can purchase them, it just says "where to buy"). But the box says it's from Enjoy Life and says Dept: Demo-Sample on it. Who engineered this plot? I love getting chocolate in the mail. The people who I've met on here have been so sweet about keeping up my spirits during this whole ordeal, it seems like more than my friends IRL. So strange. And disappointing (in the IRL friends). But you guys have more than made up for it. Whoever did it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
 

[lil_miss_understood]

and that response was incredibly old and I obviously got distracted while posting (including by FB :bag).

Jury duty: DH's # got picked but we misread the instructions as to which day to call on. Oops. :o So we thought we were supposed to call the day after we were actually supposed to, the day he was supposed to be at the courthouse at 8:30am. Ai yi yi. The clerk said it happens literally every day, and to just fill out the exemption form stating that he would prefer to serve at a different time, and to give an appropriate day/month something like that.

Being the primary care provider for a dependent is a discretionary excuse listed on the form, not mandatory (like breastfeeding). I'm wondering if he could also use his employment as an excuse since there is no person who can perform his job and they call him even on his supposed "vacations"/"days off" and when he's ill. :p

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

It's an elementary school bus stop, correct? Or is it for all grade levels? Because if the teenager is on his bike threatening younger kids at their bus stop, then it is a problem for more than just the principal (as in are both kids in the same school or is one elementary and one middle, or one middle and one high school, or are all the schools together). I'm just aggravated when I read about it. In between times I go out and get wood for the woodstoves and curse expletives while my kids are at school and can't hear me because it hurts and I didn't have them fill up the garage woodrack  last night. And since it's been below freezing all day (single digits last night and tonight) we're running both stoves so we're going through a lot of wood. So that was aggravating me just as much. I just hate bullying.

Okay, fess up. I got another box of chocolates in the mail. It looks like it's straight from Enjoy Life (on their website I don't even see a place where you can purchase them, it just says "where to buy"). But the box says it's from Enjoy Life and says Dept: Demo-Sample on it. Who engineered this plot? I love getting chocolate in the mail. The people who I've met on here have been so sweet about keeping up my spirits during this whole ordeal, it seems like more than my friends IRL. So strange. And disappointing (in the IRL friends). But you guys have more than made up for it. Whoever did it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
 

It's for all grades. His mother has opted to have him ride his bicycle or gave him rides to school since the last incident where DS1 "lied" about him picking DS1 up by the neck/head. With the rain in the last week or so, he's been taking the bus. DS1 said it was probably this same kid pushing him that my friend saw the other day. Grr.

I love hauling wood, though I doubt I would in your position. I wish I were there to do it for you.

It wasn't me. Despite my good intentions, I have got nothing in the mail to you. :( Nor Riley. Blah.

[changingseasons]

Hawthorne is having a holiday offer on classes if anyone is interested. I don't even see it on their website, but just got an email about it. All their continuing educating courses are like half price (just the CE ones, not the others listed on the same page). And they've added a basic biochemistry course which is $150 off! I would really love to sign up for that one... and maybe the thyroid health class.... and maybe the understanding gluten intolerance and preventing celiac class.... Maybe I can skip paying the car insurance and pay for a couple classes instead!

[tanyalynn]

Kathy, I'm glad someone is sending you sweet treats.  It's not me, but you totally deserve the support, you have had such a good attitude through what sounds like complication after pain after reaction after complication after... in a seemingly never-ending, completely unfair cycle. 

It does sound like the kids are getting foods back.  How many foods are still on rotation, and do you think that any could come off rotation and just be whenever foods?  Seems like that would add a lot of flexibility to your schedule. 

Well, last day for ALA for us.  I helped out for almost 2 hours corralling little kids with paint.  Wow.  And I realized, all I want is hot food when I arrive home.  I feel bad that I haven't managed that all week for DH, our eating out budget is suddenly skyrocketing as I am just too tired to do anything, this better improve rapidly this weekend (I think it will).  I'm going to freeze food for when we re-do this in 2 weeks. 

Oh, and it's finally cold here (relatively speaking) so I made lentil soup for the first time this fall/winter and it's lovely.  I'm using Stephan Guyenet's soaked/fermented rice method for beans these days, it seems like saving some of the soaking water really kick-starts the fermentation the next time, but if you put in other spices, you don't get a fermented bean flavor (which I admit I'm not in love with), it just tastes normal.  Anyway, I'm going to huddle under a blanket and veg for a bit. 

  JR, that sounds like such a tough situation.  And I couldn't tell if you were serious, but don't worry about stressing us out.  Sharing our ups and downs is what this "place" is about.