Delicious December 2010 Chat - Page 35

[Lady Lilya]

It is not possible for me to accidentally buy diet soda, since I wouldn't be buying soda in the first place.  

[tanyalynn]

Leigh, are you always awake that early?  Ow.

DS hasn't been sleeping well for a few days (and has been peeing in his diaper more--see the direction this is going?) and ended up in bed with us by 11 last night.  I don't remember when DD joined but at 6:30, they started pushing to get more room and, well, no more sleep for any of the three of us.  I sent them back to their rooms and I'm up, but it's always sad to lose that last hour of sleep, yk? 

[Lady Lilya]

Nope.  DS couldn't sleep, from about 4 onwards.  He tossed and turned for an hour, then insisted we had to get up and go downstairs.  We had some breakfast, started some laundry, and then ran out of quiet things to do to avoid waking DH.  So we turned on some Thomas cartoons and I dozed on the couch.  

[changingseasons]

Blah.  I woke up at 3:30 this morning to pee, and couldn't go back to sleep.  yawn.  And then I slipped out of bed early to do some work... and DD woke up 5 minutes later.  

Ok- I switched back to the rich text editor so that I can quote again... wonder if it will let me type smilies yet?  :shrug :scratch :D  damn.
 

Originally Posted by Theloose 

I'd just do the thyroid one, unless you're feeling a ton of energy and motivation. I was dead tired the last trimester. Biochem, how's your chemistry background? I'm guessing that that class would mostly be general chemistry/biochem stuff and not very focused on the kinds of stuff we talk about here, at least that's what mine was like. But I also had a pretty good chem background already, so I don't know if that helped me through it. Another option, which may or may not be helpful, is I can give you my organic and biochemistry book since I'm done with it and don't think I'll be referencing it much/at all. Do you do well learning that sort of stuff on your own? The intro class that I think is by far the coolest/most helpful so far has been anatomy and physiology. Is that or immunology an option?

 

Well, I'm not feeling super motivated right now, because I've been working about 30 hours a week lately.  But January should slow down a *little*.... and I am finding myself more productive with my busier schedule- I guess I work better under pressure.  :)  My chemistry background is... not much, a long time ago.  But this is Hawthorne, so I think it probably will be stuff like what we're talking about.  But who knows.   And I definitely can't learn it on my own, as evidenced by me STILL not knowing wth you guys are talking about half the time, and we've been talking about this stuff for... 2 years?  

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn 

The candy canes are on the tree, plus there were some extra in boxes that are within their reach.  I forgot what I did recently, but I already feel like the grinch, so I didn't want to add to it.  I actually told the two employees at WF who helped me get the candy canes--they had to ask if any were left and go check and I think because I was limping with the knee brace, they were extra helpful--that these candy canes would save me from being the grinch in the kids' eyes.

In case Shannon isn't back soon, glutathione's the new supp she's on and loving.  It does a bunch of cool stuff, heavy metals are certainly one but there's other stuff that I don't remember as well.  It seems like it would help with food reactions in that it relieves stress on one detox pathway and since a lot of things can go down multiple pathways, that opens up space elsewhere.  I don't know if it would act in other ways to help as well.  Tylenol depletes glutathione... did he offer any to you?  Maybe help you get back on an even keel faster after the surgery and stuff? 

We have two of the "safe" candy canes left (DD2 had one this morning so that's one for DS and one for me). They still have cane sugar in them so I've only let DS have 2 (one on Christmas and one a couple days later). The doctor said it might be good for me as well. It was $70 a bottle for a 30 day supply for DS. He's also selling these things called Q-link? It says more energy, less stress, greater focus, reduced effects from electromagnetic fields, enhanced stamina, etc.  It helps balance the body's energy syystem. But it's comprised of a copper induction coil - would that be good even with my high copper? They're $99 and the one for the dog (yes I'm thinking of getting one) is $60. The osteo said he couldn't do yoga until the afternoon because of stiffness, and after the first day wearing this (it's like a disk on a necklace) he could stretch and touch his toes first thing in the morning, and he said it calmed his dogs right down. He said DS would probably do well with one with his anxiety. It actually shows blood under a microscope and it says it enhances the integrity of the blood cells and more efficient blood oxygenation.
 

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Really trying to decide if I want to take some money out of savings and take one or two of the Hawthorne classes that are on sale right now. Am I crazy to do that on top of working, renovating the house, and getting ready for a new baby? Classes start on January 10th, so I have to decide soon!!

My top 2 choices are:
- basic biochemistry - 8 week class - $300, normally $450 (which may be too much for my brain right now, but I really want to learn this stuff)
- optimal thyroid health - 5 week class - $100, normally $200

Help me decide!! None, one, or both? I'm still looking at doing the holistic nutrition master's program there sometime in the future... so these classes would be a nice intro, but wouldn't count toward my degree (although I think the biochemistry one might.)

I would do the thyroid one because it's cheaper and with the rest of the stuff you've got on your plate, then I wouldn't feel bad if I ended up not doing that well or not being able to devote as much time with it as I thought. But that's just me.
 

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Originally Posted by Theloose 
Like Tanya said, glutathione is my new favorite supp. It's a detox pathway, and it's especially good for oxidative stress. It improves my mood dramatically, and I can feel it when I need more. It's really expensive, though, and I have to take a LOT - pb said, take it till you 'feel the burn' and then back off one pill, like when you try and figure out how much HCl to supp. I'm ending up with waaaay more than the bottle says to take, but it's making enough of a difference thats it's worth it, to me. I take it 3x/day, and with this never-ending reaction of December, the amount that I need had increased - both in terms of feeling the burn and how much to help my mood. PB mentioned it in the emunctories thread if you want to ask her more.Great day at the DMV (by myself!) and then visiting with my aunt. Funny, at her house it's weird and awkward visiting with her. At my mom's, she's very cool and fun to be around. Maybe it's that my grandma's not around, and gma's stressful for her? She's telling fun stories about when she and my dad were kids. AND is interested and listening to me while I babble on about this nutrition stuff Oh, and dh is officially taking a new job, at a fledgeling web start up. Exciting stuff over here!

I've never heard someone say they had a great day at the DMV.... Maybe I should try the glutathione. DS is on two a day, and he's under 50 pounds. I don't know how much I'd have to take!
 

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Blah.  I woke up at 3:30 this morning to pee, and couldn't go back to sleep.  yawn.  And then I slipped out of bed early to do some work... and DD woke up 5 minutes later.  

Ok- I switched back to the rich text editor so that I can quote again... wonder if it will let me type smilies yet?  :shrug :scratch :D  damn. 

Well, I'm not feeling super motivated right now, because I've been working about 30 hours a week lately.  But January should slow down a *little*.... and I am finding myself more productive with my busier schedule- I guess I work better under pressure.  :)  My chemistry background is... not much, a long time ago.  But this is Hawthorne, so I think it probably will be stuff like what we're talking about.  But who knows.   And I definitely can't learn it on my own, as evidenced by me STILL not knowing wth you guys are talking about half the time, and we've been talking about this stuff for... 2 years?  

I don't know what they're talking about most of the time either!!
 

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

I've never heard someone say they had a great day at the DMV.... Maybe I should try the glutathione. DS is on two a day, and he's under 50 pounds. I don't know how much I'd have to take!
 

 

  Seriously.  Maybe I should get some of that too.  Now I have to go find the emunctories thread....

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

 Quote:

I've never heard someone say they had a great day at the DMV.... Maybe I should try the glutathione. DS is on two a day, and he's under 50 pounds. I don't know how much I'd have to take!
 

I don't know what they're talking about most of the time either!!
 

My bottle says take 1, once or twice a day, so 500-1000mg/day. I was on 2.5g 3x/day, and with this never-ending reaction am up to 3.5g. But that last gram is making a big difference right now. I think dosing has more to do with biochemistry than weight - and my biochemistry tends towards high oxidative stress, so I win the most expensive supp prize. Hoping cell salts will bring that down, FAST!! And it wasn't so much that the DMV was great, as time solo was nice, not having the kids at the DMV was nice, and now having a liscense again is nice (mine expired, I couldn't renew by mail, when I called, next available a ppt was over a month away).

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Blah.  I woke up at 3:30 this morning to pee, and couldn't go back to sleep.  yawn.  And then I slipped out of bed early to do some work... and DD woke up 5 minutes later.  " rel="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/eyesroll.gif">

Ok- I switched back to the rich text editor so that I can quote again... wonder if it will let me type smilies yet?    damn.
 

Well, I'm not feeling super motivated right now, because I've been working about 30 hours a week lately.  But January should slow down a *little*.... and I am finding myself more productive with my busier schedule- I guess I work better under pressure.    My chemistry background is... not much, a long time ago.  But this is Hawthorne, so I think it probably will be stuff like what we're talking about.  But who knows.   And I definitely can't learn it on my own, as evidenced by me STILL not knowing wth you guys are talking about half the time, and we've been talking about this stuff for... 2 years?  

30 hours of work, that's a lot! I bet the stress that takes off of finances helps, too! My class was through Bridgeport, and even then it wasn't terribly helpful, but I'd learned a bunch of the stuff already. How's dd doing with you being busier? Do you think the big sister transition is going to go pretty smoothly?

What sort of stuff do you feel like you're missing with understanding this stuff? Things like vitamin actions? Chemical structures? The logic of how the pathways work? Vocabulary? Overview? Things are calming down enough over here that im feeling like i might be able to start explaining more again. The way I see a biochemistry class is good for laying foundation so it's easier to learn this stuff, but not very directly helpful. And the way I work, that would not have been a useful way to spend my money and time before ds was born. But we're clearly very different people in different situations so feel free to ignore what works for me

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by Theloose 

30 hours of work, that's a lot! I bet the stress that takes off of finances helps, too! My class was through Bridgeport, and even then it wasn't terribly helpful, but I'd learned a bunch of the stuff already. How's dd doing with you being busier? Do you think the big sister transition is going to go pretty smoothly?What sort of stuff do you feel like you're missing with understanding this stuff? Things like vitamin actions? Chemical structures? The logic of how the pathways work? Vocabulary? Overview? Things are calming down enough over here that im feeling like i might be able to start explaining more again. The way I see a biochemistry class is good for laying foundation so it's easier to learn this stuff, but not very directly helpful. And the way I work, that would not have been a useful way to spend my money and time before ds was born. But we're clearly very different people in different situations so feel free to ignore what works for me

Yeah, it is a lot.  Poor DD has been spending WAY too much time in front of the TV, and I'm really struggling to keep the house decent.  blah.  But yeah- the extra paychecks next month will really save us, since we have some medical bills and a doula to pay for, not to mention the renovations that I really need to get done before the baby gets here!!  

I guess I really need to go back to the 101 stuff on how it ALL works- I just get overwhelmed every time I see you guys talking about biochem stuff.  I'm hoping that an actual class will help it sink in a little better, but who knows.

[tanyalynn]

DS peed in his pants today.  Hasn't done that in ages, and that's after 2 bathroom breaks at the DO's office this morning.  Not normal for him.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya 

It is not possible for me to accidentally buy diet soda, since I wouldn't be buying soda in the first place.  

Yeah, DH came with some bad habits from which I've been trying to break us. Unfortunately, I fell into them to a degree when we moved in together. On the upside, he now drinks something besides coffee, beer and soda. Water even! Imagine that! (Seriously, MIL nearly had a heart attack when she saw him drinking a glass of water. "What are you drinking?! Water? REALLY?!" *looks at me with big round eyes and mouths 'how'd you do that?!'*)

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn 

DS peed in his pants today.  Hasn't done that in ages, and that's after 2 bathroom breaks at the DO's office this morning.  Not normal for him.

Is he reacting to something? Could it be a UTI? From the DO stuff - does he/she do manipulations - could that have caused it?
 

Originally Posted by lil_miss_understood 

Yeah, DH came with some bad habits from which I've been trying to break us. Unfortunately, I fell into them to a degree when we moved in together. On the upside, he now drinks something besides coffee, beer and soda. Water even! Imagine that! (Seriously, MIL nearly had a heart attack when she saw him drinking a glass of water. "What are you drinking?! Water? REALLY?!" *looks at me with big round eyes and mouths 'how'd you do that?!'*)

DH drinks soda, but it's a change from beer, so it's a good thing. And I've been loving the Sierra Mist Natural. But I still drink water and rooibas tea most often.
 

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

Originally Posted by tanyalynn 

DS peed in his pants today.  Hasn't done that in ages, and that's after 2 bathroom breaks at the DO's office this morning.  Not normal for him.

Is he reacting to something? Could it be a UTI? From the DO stuff - does he/she do manipulations - could that have caused it?
 

Roughly in order over the past week, he's been: loud, yelling at DD more (vs talking), hyperactive, his focus is getting poor despite the same level of DMG, his sleep is worsening and he's peeing more at night (the overnight diapers haven't been leaking in a while), and now this.  I am hoping and praying, fervently, that it's all the red from the candy canes.  He got an epsom salt bath last night and we've clearly stopped the stupid candy canes, and now I'm just hoping that everything in the list above fades away.  My knee isn't feeling great or I'd give them another epsom salt bath tonight--not sure if DH will be up for doing it 2 days in a row. 

The DO does manipulations, we're there to help with some general stuff but mostly for help with oral/dental stuff.  But we've been going since November and he hasn't had this reaction before.  My fingers and toes are crossed that it's all related.  I was going to buy some molybdenum to add to the usual stuff here for a while, see if that helped, but I forgot. 

[deditus]

MMmmmm, beer. Not so much a soda fan. I do love my 'bucha, and my (gf) beer though. Need to get potato vodka again if I"m doing GAPS.

So speaking of glutathione, since I was sick and started taking bunches of SA I have felt great. Like really great. I never had much of a bowel tolerance before but I am taking hcl again so that must be helping with dysbiosis (if you have no idea what I'm talking about - I once asked what low bowel tolerance to SA meant and Shannon mentioned the ascorbates interact with something if there is small intestine bacterial overgrowth so I researched that and that was all I could come up with, too. Higher bowel tolerance has coincided with me taking hcl.). I also started juicing again and since it's so cold outside, eating bunches of co treats (like 3-5 T/day!). Making headway again, I just slip as soon as I miss one thing and dang if it doesn't take a lot of energy to stay on top of all this. Need to get milk thistle seeds, my gf store had capsule fillers on clearance so I am going to do a bunch of milk thistle.

I am wondering about the hcl deal though. I took it last winter for several weeks, did the whole "take more until you feel the burn, then back off". About the time I worked up to the full dose (over a few weeks to control die-off), I started getting burning and worked my way back down until even one made my tummy burn so I stopped taking it. I continued all my regular supps - Thorne Bs, zinc, mag - but here I am again with low stomach acid. What's the deal? Not enough good bacteria to keep the balance from tipping back to dysbiotic? Need more feed after the weed? We are making a concentrated effort to get ferments at every meal. Easier now that we tolerate larger amounts of kombucha (caused serious die-off in the past) 'cause sometimes ya just don't feel like a mouthful of kimchi with your coffee.

Oh yeah, and I wondered if the extra sodium intake (from the SA) has helped with electrolyte balance. My bp was 118/58 or 60 at my well-woman check a few weeks ago.

Forgot the whole reason I came to post:

Everyone's going to read Chris Masterjohn's series on Toxicology, Food Toxins, and Food Intolerance, right?

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/12/what-can-modern-toxicology-tell-us.html

[Lady Lilya]

The DMV here in NC is awesome compared to the DMV in NY.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

I guess I really need to go back to the 101 stuff on how it ALL works- I just get overwhelmed every time I see you guys talking about biochem stuff.  I'm hoping that an actual class will help it sink in a little better, but who knows.

I'm a big fan of having choices to choose between, rather than a yes or no.  So some alternatives... We could start a thread and how long till it's time to register?  You could use that time to see if the thread will be helpful at all.  And I learn things differently if I have a textbook vs if I'm trying to collect the info myself, too.  Still happy to send this one to you (in a reasonable time frame).  Any community college near you offer some of these basics for cheap? (though not at home...)
 

Originally Posted by lil_miss_understood 

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya 

It is not possible for me to accidentally buy diet soda, since I wouldn't be buying soda in the first place.  

Yeah, DH came with some bad habits from which I've been trying to break us. Unfortunately, I fell into them to a degree when we moved in together. On the upside, he now drinks something besides coffee, beer and soda. Water even! Imagine that! (Seriously, MIL nearly had a heart attack when she saw him drinking a glass of water. "What are you drinking?! Water? REALLY?!" *looks at me with big round eyes and mouths 'how'd you do that?!'*)

I got that same reaction from MIL when dh took his plate to the kitchen after dinner ;)

Originally Posted by deditus 

MMmmmm, beer. Not so much a soda fan. I do love my 'bucha, and my (gf) beer though. Need to get potato vodka again if I"m doing GAPS.

So speaking of glutathione, since I was sick and started taking bunches of SA I have felt great. Like really great. I never had much of a bowel tolerance before but I am taking hcl again so that must be helping with dysbiosis (if you have no idea what I'm talking about - I once asked what low bowel tolerance to SA meant and Shannon mentioned the ascorbates interact with something if there is small intestine bacterial overgrowth so I researched that and that was all I could come up with, too. Higher bowel tolerance has coincided with me taking hcl.). I also started juicing again and since it's so cold outside, eating bunches of co treats (like 3-5 T/day!). Making headway again, I just slip as soon as I miss one thing and dang if it doesn't take a lot of energy to stay on top of all this. Need to get milk thistle seeds, my gf store had capsule fillers on clearance so I am going to do a bunch of milk thistle.

I am wondering about the hcl deal though. I took it last winter for several weeks, did the whole "take more until you feel the burn, then back off". About the time I worked up to the full dose (over a few weeks to control die-off), I started getting burning and worked my way back down until even one made my tummy burn so I stopped taking it. I continued all my regular supps - Thorne Bs, zinc, mag - but here I am again with low stomach acid. What's the deal? Not enough good bacteria to keep the balance from tipping back to dysbiotic? Need more feed after the weed? We are making a concentrated effort to get ferments at every meal. Easier now that we tolerate larger amounts of kombucha (caused serious die-off in the past) 'cause sometimes ya just don't feel like a mouthful of kimchi with your coffee.

Oh yeah, and I wondered if the extra sodium intake (from the SA) has helped with electrolyte balance. My bp was 118/58 or 60 at my well-woman check a few weeks ago.

Forgot the whole reason I came to post:

Everyone's going to read Chris Masterjohn's series on Toxicology, Food Toxins, and Food Intolerance, right?

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/12/what-can-modern-toxicology-tell-us.html

don't have time to actually reply.  zinc inefficiency?

[changingseasons]

Bleck.  Heartburn.  After none for days and days.  Trying to figure out if the baby did some major rearranging, or if it's because I ate eggs this morning.  Hoping it's not the eggs.

Beans are still going well... I think.  DD said her stomach hurt this morning (a while after eating some beans), but I think it's because she hasn't pooped for a while.  Need to try and get some mag into this kid.  She went from pooping all the time, to suddenly not pooping very much at all.  I was hoping that the beans would help move things along, but no suck luck.  

Oh- has anyone tried the BRM amaranth carrot cookie recipe?  It's surprisingly delicious!  I was going to make some of Amy's gingerbread cookies the other day, after everyone raving about them, and realized I didn't have any potato starch.  So I made some gf bread instead, and while I was putting in the amaranth flour I noticed the recipe on the back of the bag.  :)  mmmm.  

[lil_miss_understood]

Ideas to get DS1 to *actually* close the deep freeze door after getting something out would be greatly appreciated.

[changingseasons]

How about one of these?  I don't know how loud they are, or if you'd be able to hear it in the house.... but it's worth a shot.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by lil_miss_understood 

Ideas to get DS1 to *actually* close the deep freeze door after getting something out would be greatly appreciated.

How about a shelf above so it never opens enough that it holds itself open?  Makes it kinda awkward for digging around, though.

:fingersx for beans, cs!!

[lil_miss_understood]

Quote:

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

How about one of these?  I don't know how loud they are, or if you'd be able to hear it in the house.... but it's worth a shot.

That's an excellent idea! Thanks!