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If high intelligence was that important to you, you should have married someone your intellectual equal. I am sure there is something about your spouse that you love that you value more than intelligence.

 

I do have troubles because my husband is adopted and his adoptive family are a bunch of ninnies. This would not bother me, except that they are rude, obnoxious, drunk, nasty, evil, disgusting people. They like to push their nastiness on people too. In addition to sitting around the table talking about things like bodily functions, passing gas (except they call it f-a--r-t-i-n-g) and body parts and so on, they like to make remarks about how my husband is so smart and how I have no clue as to how smart and how lucky I am to have him. Ummm, I am smarter than him. My IQ is higher, my SATs were higher, my GREs were higher. I can see in things that happen in our lives too. We have had issues like, where niece was telling my daughter that cello players are stupid and will never do well in life. Then niece went on to claim to be in college classes, including college math. My dd and niece were 11 and 12 at the time, with my dd being older. Niece was really ripping in to DD and bragging and telling DD how dumb she is and so on. In reality, DD is years ahead of grade level and niece is struggling with daily tutoring to stay on average track. She is in a small private school too where they can work with her and give her more attention so that she does not flunk out. My dd tried to tell MIL what niece was saying (remember, niece was really putting DD down for her cello playing and calling her dumb and so on) and MIL just answered with "niece is brilliant and you just need to accept that she is much smarter than you." At that point, I walked over to niece and said "if you have X+2=5, what does X equal?" She did not know! I mean, my 1st grader could answer. She said she could only solve it if she knew what X was. I tried to explain it to her, but she did not get the concept of X being the unknown. She was a 6th grader at the time. Now niece is in 8th grade and struggling with pre-algebra and might have to repeat it next year because she just does not get it. But MIL tries to tell us that niece is in gifted and advanced classes. My daughter was in high school geometry in 8th grade, that is 2 years ahead, she found it easy and fun, and finished the year with an overall grade of 98%. 

 

It is not about needing to compete over the intelligence, it is that they start in on me, or my daughter, and so on. MIL wanted DD to transfer in to nieces school for this year. We tried and looked in to it, but the only way the school could have my daughter was if she accelerated a grade, because they had never had a child who had been ahead of grade level before and were not willing to let her be a 9th grader and just go over to the higher level science and math courses. DD does not want to accelerated, and frankly, when you are talking a school full of average and below average kids, you are not likely talking a challenging school, especially when they admit upfront that they have never had anyone ahead of grade level before. 

 

MIL acts like niece is her daughter and she is a catty mother from the playground trying to one up us. I never tell MIL anything. My children just got their PSAT scores back and they did quite well. It is not the official 11th grade year test, yet, they did very well (94th percentile for one and 99th for the other, meaning, when they get to 11th grade, the one only needs to raise his score by 1 percentile to get commended status and the other will be a semifinalist if her score remains the same. It is a pretty good assumption that it will go up. But even if it went down a few percentile points, she will still be commended).

 

On the occasion that we have dinner with them, the conversation always seems to revolve around things I would have expected in the 3rd grade. Literally, they seem fascinated by sounds the body can make. They use foul language a lot too. I am suspecting that the issues are largely character issues, but the intelligence things does seem to be there. They don't get or comprehend a lot of things. The bragging they do really bothers me too, even though I know I should not let it.

 

 

 

post #82 of 89


 

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Niece was really ripping in to DD and bragging and telling DD how dumb she is and so on. In reality, DD is years ahead of grade level and niece is struggling with daily tutoring to stay on average track. She is in a small private school too where they can work with her and give her more attention so that she does not flunk out. My dd tried to tell MIL what niece was saying (remember, niece was really putting DD down for her cello playing and calling her dumb and so on) and MIL just answered with "niece is brilliant and you just need to accept that she is much smarter than you." At that point, I walked over to niece and said "if you have X+2=5, what does X equal?" She did not know!

 



You intentionally joined a children's IQ bragfest and publicly humiliated the other child?

 

Why not work on assuaging the other kid's insecurity (eg by pointing out that everyone has their own set of talents) instead of making it worse?  If she felt better about her own abilities she wouldn't need to try to take down those of your daughter.

post #83 of 89
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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post

If high intelligence was that important to you, you should have married someone your intellectual equal. I am sure there is something about your spouse that you love that you value more than intelligence.

 

I do have troubles because my husband is adopted and his adoptive family are a bunch of ninnies. This would not bother me, except that they are rude, obnoxious, drunk, nasty, evil, disgusting people. They like to push their nastiness on people too. In addition to sitting around the table talking about things like bodily functions, passing gas (except they call it f-a--r-t-i-n-g) and body parts and so on, they like to make remarks about how my husband is so smart and how I have no clue as to how smart and how lucky I am to have him. Ummm, I am smarter than him. My IQ is higher, my SATs were higher, my GREs were higher. I can see in things that happen in our lives too. We have had issues like, where niece was telling my daughter that cello players are stupid and will never do well in life. Then niece went on to claim to be in college classes, including college math. My dd and niece were 11 and 12 at the time, with my dd being older. Niece was really ripping in to DD and bragging and telling DD how dumb she is and so on. In reality, DD is years ahead of grade level and niece is struggling with daily tutoring to stay on average track. She is in a small private school too where they can work with her and give her more attention so that she does not flunk out. My dd tried to tell MIL what niece was saying (remember, niece was really putting DD down for her cello playing and calling her dumb and so on) and MIL just answered with "niece is brilliant and you just need to accept that she is much smarter than you." At that point, I walked over to niece and said "if you have X+2=5, what does X equal?" She did not know! I mean, my 1st grader could answer. She said she could only solve it if she knew what X was. I tried to explain it to her, but she did not get the concept of X being the unknown. She was a 6th grader at the time. Now niece is in 8th grade and struggling with pre-algebra and might have to repeat it next year because she just does not get it. But MIL tries to tell us that niece is in gifted and advanced classes. My daughter was in high school geometry in 8th grade, that is 2 years ahead, she found it easy and fun, and finished the year with an overall grade of 98%. 

 

It is not about needing to compete over the intelligence, it is that they start in on me, or my daughter, and so on. MIL wanted DD to transfer in to nieces school for this year. We tried and looked in to it, but the only way the school could have my daughter was if she accelerated a grade, because they had never had a child who had been ahead of grade level before and were not willing to let her be a 9th grader and just go over to the higher level science and math courses. DD does not want to accelerated, and frankly, when you are talking a school full of average and below average kids, you are not likely talking a challenging school, especially when they admit upfront that they have never had anyone ahead of grade level before. 

 

MIL acts like niece is her daughter and she is a catty mother from the playground trying to one up us. I never tell MIL anything. My children just got their PSAT scores back and they did quite well. It is not the official 11th grade year test, yet, they did very well (94th percentile for one and 99th for the other, meaning, when they get to 11th grade, the one only needs to raise his score by 1 percentile to get commended status and the other will be a semifinalist if her score remains the same. It is a pretty good assumption that it will go up. But even if it went down a few percentile points, she will still be commended).

 

On the occasion that we have dinner with them, the conversation always seems to revolve around things I would have expected in the 3rd grade. Literally, they seem fascinated by sounds the body can make. They use foul language a lot too. I am suspecting that the issues are largely character issues, but the intelligence things does seem to be there. They don't get or comprehend a lot of things. The bragging they do really bothers me too, even though I know I should not let it.

 

 

 



Hmm, I had no idea joking about body parts and functions is a sign of inferior character and intelligence. I guess my family members and I are a bunch of dim-witted low-lives. eyesroll.gif

 

Also, the above poster lambastes her DH's family of origin for their tendency to brag but goes on to point out how smart and wonderful her own child is... pot/kettle/black?

 

post #84 of 89

This thread has gotten really mean.  Maybe we can all try to be understanding of each others' struggles?

post #85 of 89

OP, I think what has worked for me and my DH over the long term is recognizing that we each have strengths and weaknesses.  I don't know what my IQ is, but I do know that I have certain intellectual strengths that DH does not and vice versa.  I think that is what makes us function as a team, so to speak.  Think of it this way, if only ten people were allowed to leave the earth shortly before the world was about to explode, who would you want to put in space to represent humanity?  Obviously you would want some smart people, but you need to step back and take a look at your definition of smart.  Only people with high IQs?  Or, would you want a cross-section of talents whether or not such talents were representive of high IQs. 

 

I've always been "smart" in some areas but totally lame in others.  I wasn't going to comment on this thread until DH said to me the other day:  "DW, you're a brilliant person but you'd never survive in the wilderness."  Wow, is that true!  DH, on the other hand, makes up in all the areas where I am lacking.  As far as DD is concerned, I hope that she gains something from each of us. 

post #86 of 89

OP, after reading through most of this thread I will tell you what I think.

You sound very young, and have OCD.

Right now your health is what's important. Take care of yourself and get stronger. Time is what you need.

post #87 of 89


 

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Originally Posted by bobcat View Post In fact, I think a lot of the white-collar professionals in this world are too smug for my liking, when they start talking about books, vacations, wine, theatre, etc etc....anything to make themselves sound impressive.


Yikes! I'm neither a white-collar professional or extremely wealthy (financially speaking). I do enjoy all of the things listed above, though. I hope I would never offend anyone by talking about things I'm genuinely interested in. However, I refuse to censor myself to protect others' feelings when talking about that type of thing. If they think I'm smug and trying to make myself sound important, well, that's on them. I am who I am.

 

I do think that once you have a child, you will realize that you will find ways to connect with them. It may or may not be through verbal interactions, but you will connect. Like you said, you will love them unconditionally. I have no doubt that you will make a fantastic parent. Please stick around the boards. They provide a wealth of positive parenting information.

post #88 of 89

This thread is just too long for me to read right now but thought I would add my thoughts anyway. :)

 

I have NO idea where I am, intellectually. I am in Northern Europe and we just don't test that like you do. However, I know my former teachers would probably place me in the top 1%. (BUT, academics is a whole other things, really, and I kndew how to work the system.) I have no idea how "bright" our child is, either, and I truly don't care. I was pushed to get a university degree but I suppose I would have even without my parents' opinions. However,  What I truly enjoy is reading and living my life. I love to make shoes, decorate, sew, you name it. I never used to have enough time for all the practical and grounding things I enjoy.

 

Due to my background my biggest goal for our child is to support her in becoming who she is. If she wants a university degree, great. If not, great. I just want her to find her real vocation and live it, faithfully and hopefully joyfully. Some of the most miserable people I have met are the ones trying to live the life their parents had planned for them.

post #89 of 89

I understand and can relate.

 

I'm 15 years into my marriage.  I have three bright, probably gifted daughters.  My husband is mathematically inclined and conversationally challenged.  He's not a dumb person.  Before we had kids, I found stimulation and conversation at my job in the biotech field.  I have stayed home since my second born was 9 months old.

 

Husband and I say words but we hardly ever connect on levels that are deeply gratifying to me, and he's got some issues with anxiety.  We are going through a period now where we both wonder if we made the right choice in marrying each other.   To complicate matters, husband had a drinking problem (better now) and passive-aggressive behaviors.

 

We went through three months of marriage therapy.  I went through the same amount of individual therapy.  Then we had to stop going because he got laid off from work.  It wasn't really helping us together, especially since our therapist suggested my husband might be gay (long story).

 

I'm personally struggling with ambivalence about it.  I have read a lot of things to try and help.  From being more zenlike with mindfulness practice, to self-help books, to trying to live more 'in the body' than in the mind, to trying to change me, to asking him (the more supposedly 'religious' one out of us) to pray for our marriage.  It didn't occur to him to do that. 

 

I am not convinced that real help is possible.  We are not making progress. 

 

It does not help that I have little social contact (except through the internet and phone calls), no job, and my parents and siblings can not help because they understand me even less than my husband does.  I am pretty much convinced that I have to give up trying and let the chips land where they fall. 

 

I don't have advice, just commisseration.  I understand the fears, the OCD, the deep desires to have a built in 'share partner'.  I really don't.  I have had to get my needs for deep communication with other communicators - and this has both been a blessing and a burden.   A blessing for me, but a burden because my husband then feels sad that he can't meet my intellectual, spiritual and philosophical needs.  And then I feel guilt for it.  But I've tried sharing with him.  He just doesn't care, can't get into what I get into, anymore than I can get into what he gets into.

 

But...it's not all bad, the nonverbal "physical" conversations are gratifying (yes, I mean the physical needs are met more than adequately).  It's just a very lopsided relationship and I don't know what to do about it.

 

I don't really believe divorce (for me anyway) is a solution, given that I have children.  Divorce when children are involved doesn't solve anything and makes things a hell of a lot worse.

 

I guess...for you, focus on what you like in your husband and always keep on the parts that are working and not what's missing.  That's what you have friends and hobbies of your own for.  But it wouldn't hurt to start now to build at least one common interest.  

 

I don't feel like I'm finished, but I have to go work on dinner.


I'll be back later.

 

 

 

 

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