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No one will flame you! :)

 

You can find excellent resources here at the "case against circumcision" forum - but my5 mo old DS is intact - no special cleaning required at all. In fact, he's been easier to care for than any of my friends whose boys are circ'ed. (All of whom have had issues with having to push back skin and clean, make sure it doesn't re-attach, etc.)

 

Like PP said, I wipe it down like his fingers and toes. It's never a problem.  I found myself very emotional about keeping him intact ... perhaps something for another thread but I'm really happy he's whole.



Thanks for the tips. I have mixed feelings about not circumsizing. I have never really seen a boy/adult man (only very eldery men) without it done. I don't want my baby to be the only one that isn't in a group that is, or be the only one that is in a group that isn't.  I realize that most people feel that it is cosmetic, but I do feel it definitely has some hygenic reasons too, and I can't shake the feeling that being done is cleaner. That's the way I was brought up. 

 

I am hoping to learn more about it and hopefully feel better about it.



Just wanted to address a couple more things. First off, it isn't 'cleaner'. It's actually LESS sanitary when the foreskin is removed. Think of it this way: the foreskin is a protective layer. It's job is to keep the head of the penis (the most sensitive part) protected from fabric, cold, wind, AND bacteria. The foreskin is a SELF cleaning mucous membrane, just like the vagina. It would be silly of us to think that an exposed cervix is 'cleaner' because we know that the vagina does a very important job of protecting it and keeping it clean. 'Clean' doesn't equal 'soap' when you're talking about a mucous membrane because the bacteria there is there to kill the foreign bacteria that slips by. Soap just washes away that good bacteria, thus making the exposed parts more susceptible to infection.

 

Secondly, to address the worry of him being different, I'll just echo what others have said about the ratio being around 50/50 and it's becoming more and more common to keep your boys intact. So by the time your son reaches high school the ratio could be 80/20. But more importantly, the fact is that boys don't stand around comparing their penises. They just don't. I think it's much more important to teach our children how to deal with cruel and ignorant teasing, then it is to push for all of them to 'look the same'. Isn't that just reinforcing the problem? And one day, if your son comes home and expresses interest in why he looks 'different' from his peers, ask yourself this: would you rather explain to him why you left his body the way it was at birth, or explain to him why you chose to mutilate a very private part of his body to make him look like everyone else? At which point he'll probably point out to you that he doesn't look like everyone else. Either way.

 

DP is intact and although he had one or two brief encounters of teasing growing up, if you asked him now he'd tell you how great full he is to have his foreskin. Your son will thank you for keeping his penis intact, sparing him pain and allowing him full normal sexual function later on in life.

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Once you can retract the foreskin, I think you're supposed to do it at bathtime to clean (that's what my doc said and what my intact hubby does:)).  However, my almost 3 year old rarely lets us do it! It's no big deal, has not been an issue at all. Just like PP said, wipe/clean like a finger (or intact penis).



ummm boys cant usually retract until 10 y/o or so.

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Once you can retract the foreskin, I think you're supposed to do it at bathtime to clean (that's what my doc said and what my intact hubby does:)).  However, my almost 3 year old rarely lets us do it! It's no big deal, has not been an issue at all. Just like PP said, wipe/clean like a finger (or intact penis).



ummm boys cant usually retract until 10 y/o or so.



Boys can be retractable as early as 3 but that is quite young. 10 would probably be a better estimate, but I think most boys begin starting to retract around age 5 or 6. There is a range, but infants aren't retractable, ever.

post #24 of 31
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DS is intact and I come from the intact culture, and you really don't need to worry about cleaning the tip. For the long time the foreskin does not retract so nothing gets in there. I just wipe it down, once it separates from the glans you can teach your child to rinse it out when in the shower. No extensive digging and cleaning is ever needed.



yeahthat.gif it is very simple. Wipe like a finger from base to tip. If it is a particularly messy blow out then a quick rinse in the tub will get it.
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Quote:Originally Posted by porcelina 
Once you can retract the foreskin, I think you're supposed to do it at bathtime to clean (that's what my doc said and what my intact hubby does:)).  However, my almost 3 year old rarely lets us do it! It's no big deal, has not been an issue at all. Just like PP said, wipe/clean like a finger (or intact penis)

No one but the owner of the penis is ever supposed to retract it. Watch your health care provider to make sure they never retract him, retraction = any movement at all back toward the body. My ds is 6 yo about half way retractable from what I have seen him do so I still havnt had the retract, rinse, replace talk with him yet.

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I really don't know much about taking care of a boy with uncircumsized penis. How do you get poop and pee out from between the penis and the foreskin? I was thinking prehaps....a Q-tip? I really don't know, and haven't ever changed a baby boy that wasn't (back in my babysitting days all boys were done).

There is no way poo can get in there since the foreskin is fused to the glans at birth like the fingernail is to the nail bed (they must tear this loose to do a circ) pee comes out just like normal through the glans then out through the sphincter at the tip of the foreskin. It looses like the anus to allow urine to pass through then clamps back down when he is done. As he ages the foreskin will gradually release from the glans followed by the sphincter at the tip loosening up. Because of this you may see ballooning when he urinates it is not a cause for concern and is part of the normal separation process for some boys. By the time he reaches adulthood the foreskin will have totally released from the glans and the sphincter will no longer be as tight allowing for total retraction.


It is in no way cleaner to be circed. The foreskin protects the glans from germs and from being rubbed on clothing causing loss of sensation over time.
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If we're talking about newborn/infant circumcision, please stop and think about this for a moment. If a baby boy is intact, then hygiene consists of wiping a penis like a finger at a diaper change. That's all. If a baby boy is circ'd, then we're talking about an open wound in a diaper. There is absolutely nothing hygienic about an open wound in a diaper.

 

 


this was what I was thinking, too.  Circumcised newborns have a much higher chance of getting infections/not getting clean enough after a bowel movement.  You have to wipe poop off a cut, possibly still bleeding or scabbed area.  At least with the foreskin, the tip of the penis is protected. 

 

I have 3 intact boys (and an intact DH) and hygiene has never been a concern. 

post #26 of 31
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Thanks for the tips. I have mixed feelings about not circumsizing. I have never really seen a boy/adult man (only very eldery men) without it done. I don't want my baby to be the only one that isn't in a group that is, or be the only one that is in a group that isn't.  I realize that most people feel that it is cosmetic, but I do feel it definitely has some hygenic reasons too, and I can't shake the feeling that being done is cleaner. That's the way I was brought up. 

 

I am hoping to learn more about it and hopefully feel better about it.





The latest stats on circ are saying only around 40% are done now so odds are your ds will not even be close to being the only one intact especially since you dont live where they circ. There really are no hygenic reasons that was all started because of the high circ rates to stop boys from masturbating (which we all know didnt work worth a dime) if the foreskin is left alone the odds of him having an issue are nearly zero.

Remember the rules:
1) never retract him
2) never allow anyone else to do so

If something does come up knowing what it might be can help you to not panic, or that is the case with me. Here is a thread to look over so that you can see what is normal and what might be an infection and how to treat it or not treat it as the case may be http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=764732

I see you have been here since 06 have you ventured over to the Case Against Circ forum? You really should and read all about what is lost with circ and the very real risks of circing vs leaving a boy intact. Definitely watch the circ video and see the agony boys go through when they are circed greensad.gif
post #27 of 31
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. I feel dumb even asking the question....please don't flame me.



MomtoS,  You should not feel that way!  Good for you for asking questions and not blindly following what family or doctors may be telling you.  There are some great websites full of information on the internet. I would encourage to read, read, read, and if you have questions please feel free to ask them here.  Check these out for starters:

www.nocirc.org

www.circumstitions.org

www.cirp.org

www.intactamerica.org

 

Circumcision is purely cosmetic, and should be a decision for the adult male to make, should he choose. Precious few do, but there are millions of circumcised men who are very unhappy that the choice was stolen from them.

post #28 of 31

My son is 21-months old and I've never had to do anything special and have never had a problem. Caring for an uncircumcised boy is a piece of cake.

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Caring for an uncircumsized penis is just not an issue in Germany. It never comes up in our well-baby visits, and I've never thought to even ask about it. Just one look an an uncirced baby penis makes it clear to anyone that nothing is going to get in there.

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My not quite 3 yo has retracted his all the way before on his own. He thought it was quite hilarious to run around naked showing everyone his new "toy" lol
 

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ummm boys cant usually retract until 10 y/o or so.





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Boys can be retractable as early as 3 but that is quite young. 10 would probably be a better estimate, but I think most boys begin starting to retract around age 5 or 6. There is a range, but infants aren't retractable, ever.


As for the OP, I used to think that circumsized penises were just how things were. I had come across a few boys in my formative years that were uncirc'd, but to me I just figured they were just a variation of normal...it never occurred to me that there WAS a difference until I got married and had my first. My first is circumsized. I hate that I did that to him. My second isn't. And any future boys will remain intact. Someday I will probably have to explain to him why he's circumsized and most of his friends/his brother(s) aren't.

 


 

post #31 of 31
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No one will flame you! :)

 

You can find excellent resources here at the "case against circumcision" forum - but my5 mo old DS is intact - no special cleaning required at all. In fact, he's been easier to care for than any of my friends whose boys are circ'ed. (All of whom have had issues with having to push back skin and clean, make sure it doesn't re-attach, etc.)

 

Like PP said, I wipe it down like his fingers and toes. It's never a problem.  I found myself very emotional about keeping him intact ... perhaps something for another thread but I'm really happy he's whole.



Thanks for the tips. I have mixed feelings about not circumsizing. I have never really seen a boy/adult man (only very eldery men) without it done. I don't want my baby to be the only one that isn't in a group that is, or be the only one that is in a group that isn't.  I realize that most people feel that it is cosmetic, but I do feel it definitely has some hygenic reasons too, and I can't shake the feeling that being done is cleaner. That's the way I was brought up. 

 

I am hoping to learn more about it and hopefully feel better about it.

I think you will find that there is more folks these days not circ'in.  Our MW's practice is 2/3 non circ'd.  It will be the norm (hopefully) when our Son's are of age.  Keep reading on non-circ.  I have a few friends that did circ and deeply regret it. 

 

DH will one day have to talk about why his looks a little different that DS and we are not at all worried about that conversation. 

 

This video was one we showed family members that had a issue with it and it may help you too!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQiVdAq-U4s
 

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