Does your DS/DD react to dairy via bm but NOT directly?

[mama9]

If so I would love to hear about it. I'm contemplating trialling dairy formula for my DS to see if elemental formula is truly necessary in our case. Thanks!

[ASusan]

I cannot answer that with a definitive yes, but I think so.

He had a trial of milk at the allergist's office, and passed with flying colors. The next day, I ate dairy, and he was reacting the next night.

I kept dairy out of both of our diets, but when I had it (homeopathics sometimes have a dairy base, and so did a probiotic that I used vaginally), HE reacted - quite clearly, I think.

Once or twice when DH offered him a few bits of shredded cheese, he seemed not to react.

He stopped nursing last week (dare I type that?), and we'll probably start giving him cheese or yogurt in the next week or so.

[Panserbjorne]

I've seen this in quite a few kids.  It is possible to react via breastmilk but not directly if it's antibodies you are producing that are the issue.  I'm certainly not saying that's what happening, just that it's possible.

[onetrumpeter]

we've never noticed our kids reacting to a single food(!) once they were slooooowly introduced, yet they were definitely reacting to my milk.  I don't know if that was a gut maturity issue or what, but it makes me wonder if it's antibodies (or something else?!) I produced that caused the issue.  want to follow this thread as I'm always wondering about this.

[Theloose]

There are several foods that I can eat with no symptoms, and dd (almost 4, still nursing) can eat with no symptoms, but when she was younger if I ate them, she got bloody stool and now ds (8mo) gets the same reaction to the same foods. But dd can eat them directly just fine. Oh, and when I was pg with ds and my milk was gone, suddenly I started noticing mood reactions in myself to those same foods. I see it as me passing the reaction off to the LO via milk . As dd gets older, her body can handle/hide it a lot better then it could when she was ds's age.

[mama.rye]

 we have this, big time. 

it took me a year to realize that DS was recting not to the food, but to my reaction to the food.  For example, when I ate eggs he reacted horribly.  I assumed it was him.  I eventually introduced him to eggs directly and he was fine.  I assumed all was well, until I ate eggs.... reaction.  For other foods I ended up getting an IgG and showed positive to egg whites.  He did not show positive.  I really believe he is getting my immune reaction.  The same happened with legumes.  It was almost a relief, getting those foods back for him!  I am happy to keep them out of my diet.

I have to say, I have realized how much of his "issue" is really my really horrible leaky gut.  I spent a long time trying to "heal" him, and really, I'm the one that needs healing.  Consider getting yourself tested...

[onetrumpeter]

mama.rye - really interesting!  in fact, everyone's experiences are very interesting where the child is reacting via bm but NOT reacting when directly eating the food.  I guess it does make me think "leaky gut" (as little as I understand that) but my only reason for not going whole heartedly down a path to try and heal is that I don't even know what "healed" would look like.  I don't notice myself having digestive issues; normal stooling 2ish x/day, usually pretty easily passed; no heartburn... don't know what other digestive issues to look for.  I do have mood issues which I'm trying to support w/ herbs, as well as lower back pain.  I just met a woman last night who said cutting out gluten relieved her lower back pain - that somehow inflamation in her gut(?) from gluten caused her adrenal fatigue which caused her lower back pain.

seems so bizarre and I feel frustratingly hopeless... like how do I know what I need to do to heal?  and how would I know when I *am* healed?  I'm SO wanting to consult w/ panserbjorne!  PB, if a person doesn't know exactly what her issues *are* but her main goal is to be able to nurse a future baby w/o having reactions and extreme colic, how hopeful could she feel in homeopathy? 

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by onetrumpeter 

 I do have mood issues which I'm trying to support w/ herbs, as well as lower back pain.  I just met a woman last night who said cutting out gluten relieved her lower back pain - that somehow inflamation in her gut(?) from gluten caused her adrenal fatigue which caused her lower back pain.

seems so bizarre and I feel frustratingly hopeless... like how do I know what I need to do to heal?  and how would I know when I *am* healed?  I'm SO wanting to consult w/ panserbjorne!  PB, if a person doesn't know exactly what her issues *are* but her main goal is to be able to nurse a future baby w/o having reactions and extreme colic, how hopeful could she feel in homeopathy? 

Gluten specifically, but food allergies in general can affect several different systems.  Some people only get neurological symptoms, for instance and no gut problems whatsoever.  Some have depression or anxiety-but no obvious gut symptoms.  You'd be looking for your overall health and well-being to improve if you made a switch.  And as far as the person you met....that's not totally accurate I'd guess.  I'd be willing to bet that the intolerance did drain her adrenals but that it was likely inflammation (a different manifestation) that affected her back.  So yes, gluten was the culprit but not in an entirely linear way.  Gut inflammation leads very frequently to adrenal fatigue though...that is true.

Healing is a process, it's a journey.  I would never give a time line to anyone.  For homeopathy, no you don't need to know what your issues are, just how you experience them.  As far as nursing a future child?  It depends on a few factors.  It's certainly a possibility but it would not be something I'd promise.  I've seen it happen for some and not others.  Sometimes the difference is largely how much time you're giving yourself before conceiving again, you know? 

[onetrumpeter]

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

 

Healing is a process, it's a journey.  I would never give a time line to anyone.  For homeopathy, no you don't need to know what your issues are, just how you experience them.  As far as nursing a future child?  It depends on a few factors.  It's certainly a possibility but it would not be something I'd promise.  I've seen it happen for some and not others.  Sometimes the difference is largely how much time you're giving yourself before conceiving again, you know? 

Thanks so much, PB.  I admit I'm looking for a "quick fix" rather than looking at healing as a process.  I guess I never questioned my health much until my daughter was having blood in her stool and severe "colic."  And then I looked to cut out food after food hoping each was going to be "the fix" and when we never got to any sort of baseline and nursing refusal sort of forced me to try formula, I viewed the formula as the quick fix (heartbroken).  And then my fertility returned we delightedly conceived our son.  I didn't think my own gut health was a primary concern - just that not being able to nurse dd was "bad luck."  I thought I'd get a fresh slate and a happy baby time as I blamed the issues on my dd (feel *awful* saying that! :(  ) but it was sort of like a repeat with my son, except we went to formula at 2 wks as I wasn't optimistic about looking for another elusive "quick fix" via elim diet.  I need to change my mentality.  Hoping giving my body a rest before conceiving would help, too.  I just want this period (assuming we might have another child) to be restorative.

Mama9, FWIW, and I think I forgot to mention this before: the more I thought/wondered about my DS reacting to my milk vs formula, I felt gutsy to trial a dairy based formula around 9mos (had been on Neocate from age 2wks).  DS did perfectly fine - no noticeable reaction and stooling was much improved.

 

[mama9]

Wow, I gained so much insight from everyone's posts! I am looking forward to posting/sharing my thoughts here later today when I can come up for air (when DS takes a nap later hopefully).

[mama9]

Wow, it's been TOO long for this reply, but I just read through this thread again (thank you so much mamas for your posts) and I got a lot of insight.

Mama9, FWIW, and I think I forgot to mention this before: the more I thought/wondered about my DS reacting to my milk vs formula, I felt gutsy to trial a dairy based formula around 9mos (had been on Neocate from age 2wks).  DS did perfectly fine - no noticeable reaction and stooling was much improved.

Onetrumpeter - I am feeling to trial him on dairy this weekend. We did do an organic dairy formula trial but it failed. It could have been anything in the formula though as it has so many ingredients/added vitamins.. This trial was a while ago now. We are thinking to do straight up dairy, but not milk - so say, cheese or yogurt. I am soooooooo nervous about trialling foods. Another trial I wish to do soon is gluten, but I'm extra nervous about that because it is known for gluten intolerance symptoms to take a while to show itself (growth issues for example). I guess I'm just a nervous wreck about all things food since DS was born!

Does anyone have any advice thoughts? I also want to trial myself on dairy to see what happens via my bm, whilst I have a supply left - it's getting worse as time goes by (thinking hypothyroid).

Thank you so much mamas xxx

[Panserbjorne]

have you directly addressed the supply yet?  Have you been assessed to know it it's a transfer vs. production issue?  Sorry, just saw that bit and wanted to respond.  How old is the baby?