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Can we talk positions, please?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Let me preface this by saying that I don't really know what I'm asking for or saying, but I feel like I need to talk. shy.gif  I'm almost 36 weeks.  I'm having this irrational.....OK, let's just call it "obsession" (lol) with the baby's position.  This is my fourth pregnancy, and I have no idea why I'm so distracted by it this time.  I've never had a breech baby, no posterior, all births have been lovely and uneventful.  Yes, I've been to the SpinningBabies website (a hundred times) and still feel enormously inadequate at determining the position.    Really, I get that the head should feel harder and the butt softer, but, honestly, it all feels like a bunch of random blob of parts in there.lol.gif  I've never felt like such a loser at visualization!

 

The thing is, I feel most of my kicks/jabs down in my lower, left side.  Aren't we supposed to feel jabs up high, like, near the rib cage?  Isn't that where the feet lie?  And then I have myself convinced that the hard bump I feel at the top is the head (I mean, I know it could be the butt....how hard is the head comparatively speaking to the butt....I have no idea!)  Can the feet be felt lower when the baby is head down -- is there a way they can put their legs like that??  Sometimes I feel a little ball stick out far on my left side directly even with my belly button.  I thought maybe that's the feet, but shouldn't they be higher (I also have a long torso...I'm 5'10"...does that matter?)? 

 

The midwife felt my belly this past Monday and said the baby is head down.  But it was very non-chalant and such a brief feel.  I also hadn't let her know that I was concerned about the positioning.  I don't know why?!  I don't know what's wrong with me -- lol.  What I want her to do is to spend a good amount of time feeling around, showing me the parts, confirming things, etc.  Maybe that's just what I need to express to her at our appointment next week, huh?  I asked if she can tell at this point if the baby is at least posterior or anterior and she said, "No."  Now, I'm not as concerned about posterior position as I am breech (I won't get my HB if baby is breech), but I'd still like baby to be in the optimal position -- know what I mean?

 

For those who have had a breech positioned baby, does it feel like something particular?  Something distinguishable?  Ugh. I don't know.  Like I said, I guess I really just need to express myself to my midwife on Monday and have her talk me through it.  I wonder if because I've had such uneventful births that I think my "luck" will run out.  How silly is that?!  This really is sooooo unlike me.  I don't EVER concern myself with this sort of stuff.  And then I think I have these feelings because I'm in tune with something and I don't want to disregard it.  Help!

 

Sigh.  I wish I had X-Ray eyes right now. privateeyes.gif

Thanks for listening! 

post #2 of 18

I've only very recently been able to even FIND the baby's head myself, even though my midwives have been very certain of the baby's position for a couple of months and have repeatedly shown me how to locate and identify the head. But one thing I read has been very helpful in reassuring myself that the baby's still head-down - evidently if you push gently on the baby's butt, their whole torso will move, whereas if you do the same to the head only the head will move. So that (plus checking location of the heartbeat with my fetoscope) is how I've been reassuring myself that the baby hasn't flipped to breech during some of the gymnastics lately.

 

I'm a bit surprised, though, that your midwife wasn't able to determine posterior vs anterior - at my 35 week appointment my midwife noticed that the baby was posterior and promptly gave me a set of exercises to encourage the baby to move to anterior. She said she determined the position by feeling hands and feet at the front of my uterus, plus the location of the heartbeat. But she's been in practice for a long time and did a lengthy palpation at that appointment, so maybe it's just a matter of skill and taking the time to really check it out?

 

I do definitely feel feet lower than the butt sometimes - my midwife said at this point the baby has its legs folded up in front so the feet and hands are in more or less the same space. That said, I have a really short torso so there's not much room for the baby to sprawl anymore!

post #3 of 18

For my kiddo, what Kythryne said above holds true—if I jab at its butt, it will slide its whole torso around. If I poke its head, just the head will move.

 

I think it's normal to feel kicks far away from where the butt is. Sometimes mine really streeeetches out and I can see its feet bulging out on the opposite side from the butt. Depending on how the baby is laying, I can also sometimes find its hip, follow that along its thigh, past the knee, and down to its feet—pretty cool!

post #4 of 18

I too have been obsessed with position. Partly due to the fact that my son was in a horrible position come birth and it ended in a cesarean. My DH tells me to stop worrying but I can't. 

 

I can tell that she is head down and the midwife had confirmed that with feeling and a quick ultrasound in the office. I can feel hand flutters low and kicks higher up. My concern is anterior/posterior. Thankfully when she is active I can get in a good position and spin her the right way but then I can tell she spins right back when I get in a bad pelvic position. So hopefully during labor I can get good positioning easily?

 

Either way I am being neurotic about it and thinking about it ALL THE TIME!

post #5 of 18

The big way I can tell is by hiccups.  I am a little fluffy so it is hard for me to feel specific parts of the baby but I know for sure where he is when he hiccups.  He has been head down for a while but last week he did a big flip for about a day but he is back down now.  If I am worried about it (that happens a lot) I just wait until he has hiccups and focus in on where they are coming from.

 

Big Momma

post #6 of 18

You had mentioned that you were feeling all sorts of kicks and jabs down low and worried that baby may be breech. I know that for me, at 34 weeks, my baby is definitely head down and I get TONS of jabs down low. Hopefully this can offer you some reassurance :)

post #7 of 18

Have you all been to Spinning Babies, and tried Belly Mapping?

 

http://www.spinningbabies.com/

 

I have a head-down Left Occiput Anterior going on, methinks.  only 35 weeks, there's still lots of time.

post #8 of 18

My baby is head down, and I feel all sorts of "jabbing" way down low.  Little hands being very busy is my guess.  And I can usually find the butt and either feet or knees.  The butt going into the back feels more like a football, and does feel fairly hard.   I don't get a lot of kicks up high, but do get very firm movements, and can see bits (usually knees or feet I think) protrude far out, then go back in.   Hiccups are faint and down low.  I have not been able to make out the head at all, but I think it is because it is down low and there is a nice thick layer of fluff over that area.

 

My DS was breech for my last pregnancy, and there was no mistaking the large round head that was constantly just under my left ribs for anything but a head.  It was very hard and VERY round.  I felt hiccups much stronger with DS than with this baby.  You could actually see my whole belly move with every hiccup with DS.

post #9 of 18

My baby is head down, posterior. And somehow manages to keep kicking me just on the right side in the ribs. There is movement elsewhere, but not nearly as much. I think one leg must be up there and the other squished up by his/her head like my son was laying when I was pregnant with him.

post #10 of 18

Baby is head down, her back just to the right of my belly button. I get kicked in the ribs on my left side all day long. Her butt is really sticking out! I haven't been able to feel her head myself because I'm afraid of pressing too hard, but the midwife can feel it down low. I can tell that the hiccups are coming from down low. Her heartbeat is also found below my belly button.

 

As far as poking the butt and getting the whole body to move, that hasn't worked for me. I can poke her butt and she won't move at all! Guess she doesn't mind being poked. Either that, I'm not doing it hard enough.

post #11 of 18

I'm getting lots of jabs in the lower left too, and my baby is head down.  I feel hiccups along the lower right.  I just saw my midwife on Wednesday and I asked her to tell me how she knew what position he was in, she let me feel the head down low, the back around the right side, and said it felt like he was even holding on to his feet with his hands on the left side (I was surprised she could tell that much!).  So he's curled in fetal position, head down, butt up, legs over to the side.  Sounds like your LO might be in a similar position?

post #12 of 18

i kept feeling all the movement at the top half of my uterus, just above my belly button for the most part.. and they told me katie was breech. she did some weird thing the other day that made my belly one VERY weird shape, so i wonder if she's turned? no clue. i'm still feeling the kicks in the same general area, so who knows. felt like she was doing a flip but the movement after that point wasn't a whole lot different from before that point.

post #13 of 18

I too am feeling movements down low.  Baby is for sure head down (u/s at 36w).  Butt is directly above my belly button, kicks are low to my left, and I think I feel the back near the right.  BUT that all means what?!?  http://spinningbabies.com/baby-positions/belly-mapping

 

So I can rule out the Ls, but that leaves ROA, ROP, ROT and OA.  How the heck do you decipher beyond that, and what does it mean??

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thank you, everyone, for your input and experiences.  smile.gif  I had my midwife appointment this afternoon and expressed myself to her.  She showed me the baby's position and took her time feeling everything.  Her words, "Baby is definitely head down and, WOW, that head is REALLY low.  I can see why your labors are so fast."  lol.gif   (Birth #1 -- 5 hours, Birth #2 -- 3 1/2 hours, and Birth #3 -- 2 1/2 hours)  So, that was great to hear, and I feel completely relaxed now.  She said after multiple births, there is wiggle room and baby can move their legs and arms around more freely, so feeling jabs all over can be perfectly normal. 

I'm calm and ready for baby now!

post #15 of 18

thebeljur,

I'm glad your midwife eased your mind!  I am a student midwife, and 35 weeks pregnant.  Here are some tips for you to feel your own baby's position.  Feel in your fundus for a lump.  Try to gently hold it between your thumb and fingers (like you hold your breast while feeding a newborn).  Wiggle it back and forth while keeping your hand there.  If it's a butt, it should wiggle back.  A head will usually just ballot back and forth, like a ball.  Keep your fingers on the lump, and follow the baby downward.  If your baby is facing your side or your  back, you should feel its back as a hard, curved surface towards your pelvis.  Sometimes, very close to your pelvis, you can feel a little lump which is a shoulder.  Movements just inside or to the side of this can be the hands/arms.  A little ball near your belly button or way out to the side is most likely the feet.  When you feel the ball, you can usually push on them or rub them and make the feet, and many times, the whole baby move.  Try to push on the feet while holding your other palm flat against the back, and feel for movements.  If you have seen a tiny newborn, around 5 1/2-6 lbs, try to imagine that baby curled up inside you with your eyes closed while you do this.  Hope it helps.  I wasn't in training while I was pregnant with my first, and this time, as I have become quite proficient at feeling bellies/babies, I find it so empowering to feel my baby's body parts daily.  Good luck in our last month!

Emily

 

ps

Posterior babies will have their backs to mama's back, and you will feel little bumps (hands and feet) very close to the belly button in the front of your belly.  If you get kicks there, your baby is probably posterior.  Anterior babies will feel feet on the side, and you will be able to feel a back, on one side or in the front/middle of the belly.  If you get kicks out to the side, or towards your internal organs, your baby is probably anterior.

post #16 of 18

So last night I was reading about OFP and it seemed that all articles were saying ROP/ROT/ROA (kicks on the left, back on my right) would make it harder for baby to get into the right position.  They all seemed to favor LOA, etc.  So I had a little heart to heart with the baby that we need to get this OFP thing down before baby drops and I woke up at 4am to the worst abdominal/menstrual type cramps ever.  This morning I get kicked and it is on my right side, the baby has switched sides!  These babies listen mamas!!  This is how I got DD to flip from breech to head down a couple years back. 

post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by emily11megan View Post

thebeljur,

I'm glad your midwife eased your mind!  I am a student midwife, and 35 weeks pregnant.  Here are some tips for you to feel your own baby's position.  Feel in your fundus for a lump.  Try to gently hold it between your thumb and fingers (like you hold your breast while feeding a newborn).  Wiggle it back and forth while keeping your hand there.  If it's a butt, it should wiggle back.  A head will usually just ballot back and forth, like a ball.  Keep your fingers on the lump, and follow the baby downward.  If your baby is facing your side or your  back, you should feel its back as a hard, curved surface towards your pelvis.  Sometimes, very close to your pelvis, you can feel a little lump which is a shoulder.  Movements just inside or to the side of this can be the hands/arms.  A little ball near your belly button or way out to the side is most likely the feet.  When you feel the ball, you can usually push on them or rub them and make the feet, and many times, the whole baby move.  Try to push on the feet while holding your other palm flat against the back, and feel for movements.  If you have seen a tiny newborn, around 5 1/2-6 lbs, try to imagine that baby curled up inside you with your eyes closed while you do this.  Hope it helps.  I wasn't in training while I was pregnant with my first, and this time, as I have become quite proficient at feeling bellies/babies, I find it so empowering to feel my baby's body parts daily.  Good luck in our last month!

Emily

 

ps

Posterior babies will have their backs to mama's back, and you will feel little bumps (hands and feet) very close to the belly button in the front of your belly.  If you get kicks there, your baby is probably posterior.  Anterior babies will feel feet on the side, and you will be able to feel a back, on one side or in the front/middle of the belly.  If you get kicks out to the side, or towards your internal organs, your baby is probably anterior.


Thank you for all of the helpful tips.  I'll practice poking around later.  thumb.gif
 

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by SumnerRain View Post

So last night I was reading about OFP and it seemed that all articles were saying ROP/ROT/ROA (kicks on the left, back on my right) would make it harder for baby to get into the right position.  They all seemed to favor LOA, etc.  So I had a little heart to heart with the baby that we need to get this OFP thing down before baby drops and I woke up at 4am to the worst abdominal/menstrual type cramps ever.  This morning I get kicked and it is on my right side, the baby has switched sides!  These babies listen mamas!!  This is how I got DD to flip from breech to head down a couple years back. 


Oh, Heather, I totally agree that babies listen!  With each of my pregnancies, there's always a night when I have a serious talk with the baby ("I'm ready now.  Let's do this together." etc.) and, no joke, they're born the next day.  They also do that flip from ROA to LOA that night before, too. 
OK, so I know it doesn't always work that way for everyone, but it doesn't hurt to talk to them either way.  smile.gif

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