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post #21 of 56

i'm going to try to make this quick (again) because i have a bad habit of typing these looong replies when i really don't have the time to...

 

hugs to all...i think i have experienced (at one time or another) every single problem everyone's having.  :(

 

AFM...

 

BF'ing - i think i'm getting an infection of some sort.  i have pretty much weaned my 2yo (much to both of our dismays) because his suck is just too strong for me to tolerate.  we went out of town last weekend and i forgot a bottle (which he has been having at bedtime for over a year since my milk supply dropped and then disappeared completely when i was pg).  he was being totally rotten, so i broke down and nursed him even though he hadn't nursed in about 10 days at that point.  ever since, that nipple has been hurting.  no obvious external signs of trauma, but stinging during nursing.  not sure if it's a latch issue (that nipple is shaped differently than the other), but i'm freaking out because of my experience with a severe infection when my 2yo was an infant.  i have started with lanolin, moved on to APNO... there's no plugged duct or mastitis symptoms, and i have been nursing on the other side as much as possible... started taking some oral supplements this morning (garlic, an immune-boosting blend, and probiotics), so hopefully that will help soon.  i am near tears/panic when i remember what i went through before...

 

btw, my compromise with my 2yo on the weaning thing (because it's breaking both of our hearts) is to pump once a day for his bedtime bottle.  he gets really excited about it (actually, all the kids like to watch, heheh); he says "i go get the pump!" <3 ...and it seems to be helping the behavior issues (maybe?).  daddy has been putting him to bed for a few months now, so this allows a little bit of me to be there too, without sacrificing my poor nipples.  after seeing how quickly he sucks down a bottle of expressed milk, i understand why it hurts me so much when he nurses!!  =O

 

babywearing and back pain - i cannot wear my sweet girl as much as i want/she needs.  i have chronic back problems and there have been days when i am jonesing for narcotics to relieve the pain, because even 3 ibuprofen just won't cut it.  i have been having hubby hold her a LOT, which has actually backfired because he won't wear her even though it would make things so much more convenient for him, and she cries a lot for him, and he doesn't have the magic that i have to soothe her (not even talking about boobs here, just finding the right combo of soothing methods for any given moment).  he confessed to me that he feels "no attachment" to her because he feels rejected by all the crying.  he has even taken her to another part of the house so i can't hear her crying because he doesn't want to stress me out.  :(  since then i have tried to make sure i only hand her to him when she's full, dry, and either sound asleep or quiet-alert (things will get even better when she starts smiling, which should be soon!)... things are getting better.  AND, i have managed to get her into the ergo with her legs open, so that i can wear her for longer periods (god bless the ergo!!), but things will be better when she's big enough to put on my back in the ergo.  i have a wrap and can get her on my back in it, but i get sore quickly...there's nothing like the ergo for, ahem, ergonomic weight distribution.  i have been sitting against my biomat every evening, and my back has been feeling better, but i have to be very careful not to overdo it.  :/

 

that's all for now...

 

ETA: started knitting my first sweater (for baby).  super simple, beautiful, FREE pattern... http://fpea.blogspot.com/2007/03/free-pattern-friday-organic-guernsey.html

post #22 of 56
Thread Starter 

Michelle, i have something weird going on with my right breast ever since I had the plugged duct the other day.  Can you explain more about your infection?

post #23 of 56

So we had Ian's 1 month appointment friday-- he now weighs 12 lbs 5 ozs and is 22 inches! The ped gave us a perscription for Zantac, which we started Friday... and Friday night we only had 30 minutes of screaming! And he only woke every 2 hour Friday night!

 

and last night we had NO screaming!!!!!!! And at 9:45 we went to bed, and Ian peacefully nursed to sleep laying beside me, was OUT by 10:00 and slept straight until 1!!!! 3 hours!! And then woke every 1.5-2 hours after that!!! I feel so rested! :lol It was like a little miracle last night.. DH and I got to sit and watch a movie while I snuggled a conent, sleeping baby on the couch, and then we all went to bed peacefully. Amazing.

 

I'm finally getting excited about Christmas! We have our (little 3 foot) tree out, but not decorated.. and it is a good thing because Liam has knocked it over several times.. Christmas Eve I am planning to let Liam decorate it with all of the ornaments I got as a kid (most are cheap, plasticy/tacky animal themed ornaments).. plus we have our Christmas eve service at church, where we mainly sing Christmas songs.. I am really looking forward to that! Not to mention DH is off of work Christmas eve, and then taking Wednesday-Friday the next week.. His brother, wife, and 4 kids will be here visiting from Tennessee. Should be a fun, busy week!

post #24 of 56

I'm so glad Ian is sleeping better, and you (by extension) are sleeping better.  What a great Christmas present!

post #25 of 56


That's so great! 

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and last night we had NO screaming!!!!!!!

post #26 of 56

Catie- That's so great that Ian is happier!  Sleep really does make things SO much easier!  I hope the zantac keeps helping and you get many more nights with no screaming.

 

Michelle- My dh is a little like that too with this babe.  He seems to not have the patience to figure out how to soothe her, which is frustrating for me because he totally did with DD1.  Now it's like if the baby doesn't stop crying in a few minutes he just gives up.  He doesn't mean to, but he makes me feel bad for giving her to him, or for not taking a quicker shower or whatever because he's always waiting to hand her back to me.  Whenever I try to talk to him about it, he just gets annoyed at me for not being symathetic to him because it's frustrating to have her cry all the time with him.  Ugh.  She doesn't cry ALL the time with him but he forgets that at those moments.  I know it'll get better once she's more interactive.  Carys is starting to smile now and it's SO adorable!

 

Carys is so different from DD1 in almost every way.  I knew she wouldn't be exactly the same but every day I'm trying to figure out who she is. :)  She isn't soothed by the same things and doesn't like the same things.  It'll be interesting to see if their personalities are at all similar once they're older.

 

My dad came to visit for a quick 1 night visit (with only 12 hours notice!) but it was really great to see him and for him to meet Carys,  He and my stepmom are having a baby in a couple weeks and her pregnancy has some complications so he wasn't sure if he'd be able to get up here.  Then some things changed and he felt ok about leaving her for one night to come visit.  It was fantastic.  The first day he was here he deep cleaned my kitchen with my 3 yo helping while baby and I napped.  thumb.gif  He also brought us a case of nice wine.  (He works for a winery.)  He brought christmas presents too and we opened them while he was here.  DD1 got a brand new ipod touch.  eyesroll.gif  At least he bought a 2 yr warranty for it.

post #27 of 56
That's awesome, Catie! joy.gif
post #28 of 56
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Michelle, i have something weird going on with my right breast ever since I had the plugged duct the other day.  Can you explain more about your infection?



i contracted pseudomonas bacteria in my breasts while in the hospital having my 2yo.  i was only there for 30 hrs total, grrr. (this is one of the reasons i chose homebirth this time around.)  it's a waterborne bacteria, so i got it while taking my post-birth shower with cracked/blistered nipples.  it presented as very sore nipples and shooting pains at first -- much like thrush, but without the white patches or scaly skin.  we thought it was thrush, and i treated it as such for 4 weeks before going to see a LC...she suggested it might be MRSA and told me to have a sample of my milk sent to the lab to be cultured.  in the mean time my mw prescribed augmentin, which upset baby's tummy horribly (and made my milk bitter, as we discovered later when he refused to drink pumped milk...i had hubby taste it and we had to throw out my whole frozen stash)...  lab results came back positive for "heavy growth" of pseudomonas, which by then i'd had for nearly 2 months, and i needed cipro for it.  so i went on a large dose of cipro for 8 weeks, during which time i developed a systemic yeast infection (ARGH), so i had to take diflucan for another 4 weeks.  this was a major deal.  during all this treatment it remained excrutiatingly painful to nurse, and i was occasionally taking narcotics just to be able to tolerate it.  i tried APNO and discovered i'm allergic to hydrocortisone cream.  it was thinning the skin around my nipples and they were raw and cracked, no matter how much lanolin i globbed on there.  finally, when baby was 11 MONTHS old, i day-weaned (supplementing with organic formula) to give my nipples a rest, but after 2 months of that they still weren't better.  at 13 months i weaned completely (temporarily) and couldn't even pump because it hurt so much... after 2 weeks they were finally better, but by then baby would not come back to the breast for another month after that (i kept offering!).  by then my milk supply had dropped so low that my boobs had shrunk back to non-nursing size, and i couldn't get more than 1/2 oz out of either side.  i started pumping and taking domperidone and fenugreek/blessed thistle and drinking mother's milk tea to try and get my supply back up, but it was in vain -- it was too late, and baby was 15 months old by then and eating mostly solids anyway.  he continued to nurse for comfort/"snacks" up until just recently.  the whole experience was absolutely devastating for me, but i REFUSED to give up.  :'( 

 

so you can see why i'm panicking about this nipple soreness i'm having now...

post #29 of 56

Michelle - I so feel for you!!  I had 4 months of thrush with DS, and also had a reaction to the APNO (in my case, I think it was the steroid component) and ended up with a 1cm x 0.5cm full-thickness ulceration at the base of my right nipple. Awful, but not as bad as what you went through! ANd like you, with every twinge of nipple pain or strange sensation, I feel incredible fear that the thrush is back.  yikes2.gif   grouphug.gif

 

P has had a cold this past week. Poor stuffy little girl!  And now I've got a sore throat, and she's got something digestive - mucousy (though definitely mustard yellow) poops, sometimes very watery and lots of gas.  Sleepwise, we seem to have one good night followed by two not great nights. So I guess overall it's going OK.

 

Our biggest problem continues to be DS's aggression. It seems to be a lot about lack of impulse control, but I'm starting to get worried that he will truly hurt her, like visit-to-the-ER kind of hurt. greensad.gif And he won't mean to have done it, and I'll feel as if I was powerless to stop it...We've moved my glider into another room, one with a child safety lock on the door. So at least when DH is home, P and I can nurse peacefully.

post #30 of 56
Thread Starter 

Wow, Michelle and Karen, those are true nursing horror stories!  I had an awful experience with dd, including an infection and chunks of missing nipple, but it all cleared up with one round of antibiotics and a nipple shield.  

 

I'm having a harder time with nursing this time around than with my last one.  Both nipples are very slightly cracked, and won't seem to heal.  Maia finally seems to get it about opening her mouth really wide, but it's still so much work to get a good latch when she's popping on and off and squirming and tugging, etc.  I take her off a lot to burp her, but that only helps so much too, apparently. 

 

Crying baby.

post #31 of 56

Hugs to those having nursing problems.  I had a sore on my nipple with ds, 7 years ago, and I can still remember the nauseating pain that I felt when I nursed him, but it was nothing like the horrors you all are describing.  I was probably within days of throwing in the towel so I'm so impressed that you all are sticking to it.

 

AFM, the baptism went well.  We did something a little different and baptized her completely naked (hey, saves on figuring out which side of the family's heirloom dress she must wear) and, yes, I got a little baptism of my own when she peed all over me while we were standing by the font.  I thought that I had put a cloth diaper/burp rag between her legs when we stood up.  I was wrong.  Yesterday we got packed up (an endless process at Christmastime with 3 kids) and drove to fil's house.  Little one slept the whole time, 3 yo did great......dh had to stop to pee twice in a 2 hour drive.  But no crib in our room!  Apparently, he has developed a clue!!!!

post #32 of 56

I just went rounds with mastitis... I probably need(ed) abx but I can't afford them or a doctor's visit right now. I'm mad because I so very rarely get ill and I've been hit hard this past month. Not necessarily with illness but with things that slow me down. I'm so frustrated with my body right now.

 

I think the infection is gone though... because I spent pretty much 24 hours in a puddle on the couch, unable to move or do anything. I had a fever, the chills, sweats, and my whole body hurt... miserably. I was taking ibuprofen for the body aches and finally last night I took advil and then an hour later took acetamenophin, not ideal but the pain was horrendous and that helped me quite a bit. I think I sweated it out after that... I was drenched, had to change clothes a couple times. Today I feel better... not 100% but better. I'm able to move and do stuff but I'm still taking it easy. I'm a little sad though because I was supposed to go to a solstice party tonight and I'm not well enough to go. :(

post #33 of 56
I'm sorry, Nic! hug2.gif

And sorry to all those having nursing issues! My nipples were the worst with #3. I had to wear those Hobbit shells for 2 months. My nipples were bleeding, peeling messes and I cried and screamed every time I nursed. It was so horrible. I am very grateful not to have had to go through that again with #4 or Molly.
post #34 of 56
Wow, mamas! I can't believe what some of you have persevered through! You should be very proud of yourselves for hanging tough through so much - each one of you! clap.gif

I have ended up with awful pain in the first week (by day 2-3) with each of them. I remember with #2 thinking that there was NO way I could nurse him when he woke up. I just couldn't do it. Then, he fussed and al the maternal instinct kicked in and of course I did, anyway, and nearly screamed. I had DH go that morning to get a pacifier and a nipple shield to try to make it through. This time, I started with a nipple shield and Booby Tubes and such on hand. You'd think that by #4 I'd know how to avoid the awful pain, but, no... I'm not sure if it's just how my body works or that I just always do it wrong or always make babies with small mouths, or what! At any rate, I'm so grateful that, despite not necessarily having the *best* latch, it no longer hurts 95% of the time, and when it does, it's a little discomfort and not the screaming pain that it was.

Has anyone else ever had Raynaud's/vasospasms? Those came much later - 8 months or so? - with #2 and were awful, but not just while BFing. In trying to deal with the vasospasms, I ended up avoiding nursing on one side and got a plugged duct. YEOUCH! I feel so badly for you mamas who are dealing with this stuff! hug.gif

I went and took dinner to a friend who had a baby two weeks ago exactly. Her baby looks SO tiny, so new! Eliana looks just huge and so mature comparatively. I'm trying to pretend she's still a newborn but she is growing up so fast! In fact, last night, she rolled over! yikes2.gif I had put her on her tummy, and she lifted her head straight up and looked around before plopping it down to the side, at which point she was halfway over. A few minutes later, she finished the roll and was on her back. I am just hoping she doesn't decide to make that a regular trick just yet! lol.gif

Baby acne - does it always come and go, like over the course of a day? Or am I more likely looking at a reaction of some sort, either to food sensitivities or external stuff (i.e., clothing irritation)? I have never had a baby with any real baby acne (but I've also never had a girl!) so I am not sure what to make of it... But she gets varying rashy areas and/or splotchy marks all over her face and even some on her neck and such. (I don't think it's heat rash, though it is unseasonably warm here!)
post #35 of 56
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Wow, mamas! I can't believe what some of you have persevered through! You should be very proud of yourselves for hanging tough through so much - each one of you! clap.gif



Couldn't agree more.grouphug.gif

 

Our thrush has came back (or never completely went away?)  I woke up for their 3 o'clock sodium medication and the blood had fused my nipples to my shirt.yikes2.gif  Dh is picking up some medication for me and the boys on the way home from work that will hopefully knock it out for good.

 

So is everyone's "I need to fold those" clothes pile as huge as mine?

post #36 of 56

Oh! and Heather, super yaaaaaa on your little one rolling over, how cool is that love.gifall our babies are getting so big.

post #37 of 56
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Has anyone else ever had Raynaud's/vasospasms? Those came much later - 8 months or so? - with #2 and were awful, but not just while BFing. In trying to deal with the vasospasms, I ended up avoiding nursing on one side and got a plugged duct. YEOUCH! I feel so badly for you mamas who are dealing with this stuff! hug.gif

Baby acne - does it always come and go, like over the course of a day? Or am I more likely looking at a reaction of some sort, either to food sensitivities or external stuff (i.e., clothing irritation)? I have never had a baby with any real baby acne (but I've also never had a girl!) so I am not sure what to make of it... But she gets varying rashy areas and/or splotchy marks all over her face and even some on her neck and such. (I don't think it's heat rash, though it is unseasonably warm here!)


yes, i have been dealing with vasospasms... i had them all the time with my 2yo, but i'm having them now, too, with this soreness i've been having over the past week.  i guess i'm so used to it from last time that i hardly notice unless i see it...i just rub some lanolin on and the warmth/massage seems to help it stop.

 

baby acne - brigit's seems to change over the course of a day, but it's generally always in the same places (in her case, upper cheeks).  i rubbed some breastmilk on it the other night and it seemed to lessen the redness...  i don't know what to say about what you are seeing, although if it's not lasting, i wouldn't worry -- i would think it is likely minor irritation; not necessarily an allergy or anything.

 



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Wow, mamas! I can't believe what some of you have persevered through! You should be very proud of yourselves for hanging tough through so much - each one of you! clap.gif



Couldn't agree more.grouphug.gif

 

Our thrush has came back (or never completely went away?)  I woke up for their 3 o'clock sodium medication and the blood had fused my nipples to my shirt.yikes2.gif  Dh is picking up some medication for me and the boys on the way home from work that will hopefully knock it out for good.

 

So is everyone's "I need to fold those" clothes pile as huge as mine?


ouch.  :(  hope you get some relief soon!!!  kudos to you for pushing on, though.  bf'ing twins was so super stressful for me, but i didn't have good support or encouragement.

 

laundry - i lol'ed at this comment.  i remember my twinfant laundry (6 years ago) -- i actually took a picture of the folded baby laundry piled up on my couch because it was so comically ridiculous.  of course i only had 3 children then... now, laundry-folding consists of burying my king-size bed in like 6 loads of laundry, then sorting by person, and maybe getting around to folding each person's basket (if no one will help).  forget putting it away, heh!  more often than not, it sits in the basket until the next round of laundry!

post #38 of 56

Isn't it crazy how big our babies seem already??  It seems like in just the past week, Paige went from being a newborn to being a baby. Amazing. And she rolled over, or very nearly, last night, too. From back to front. I say nearly, because she was too close to the bathtub (I'd set her on the bathmat so I could use the toilet!) to make it all the way over. Kind of scary, though, 'cause I'd just left her on the changing table to run into the other room "just for a second!" about an hour before. Guess I won't do that again!

 

Speaking of scary...we set up a pack-n-play in the living room so we had a safe (ish) place to put her while she sleeps. We figured that's a place where big brother can't poke or pull her. Well, DH and I were in the kitchen (out of sight) for a couple of minutes and when DH came back into the living room, there was a towel over the baby's face! DH freaked out - all he could see were her hands and feet and that towel over her face. He thought she was dead. bawling.gif Once the crisis was past (she was fine; I think the towel had been there for seconds only), DH broke down and cried and we attempted to explain to DS why this was a big deal. He just doesn't seem to get it. Doesn't get that DD is delicate, that she can't defend herself, can't move things, can't say when she doesn't like something. I am getting so tired of protecting her. *sigh* I so wish I didn't have to, but I don't know what else to do. We did finally set up a chair in another room so that I can go in there and lock the door against him if I/we need the space while nursing.

 

When he isn't being "wild boy", DS can be very loving and affectionate toward his sister. I just wish he could be like that all - or even most of - the time. I try to get him to talk about his feelings toward her (when he is calm), but he just clams up. Nothing we say seems to make a difference. greensad.gif  This is definitely the hardest part of having a baby for me. Really. Pain while nursing? Fatigue? Fussy baby? All easy to deal with in comparison.

post #39 of 56
hug2.gif Karen
post #40 of 56
Thread Starter 

Heather and Leslie, is Raynaud's/vasospasms when your nipples are white/blanched looking and hurting?  What causes that?  Improper latch?  I'm so frustrated that this is my third child and I can't even pass Latching 101!!!  eyesroll.gif

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