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post #41 of 76
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Originally Posted by Blanca78 View Post

Possession is decriminalized in Ohio, correct? So maybe less strident testing goes along with that?



Nope, it's 100% illegal. I have a girlfriend serving 5 years mandatory minimum for living with a dealer. (thus having more drugs in a house in her name than any sane person should have, and not just pot)

post #42 of 76

I hate this new forum platform. irked.gif

 

Long post short, they came every morning and took my son to "see the pediatrician" every morning. I'm not allowing this to happen next time. Thinking back on it, I am bothered by it. But I think I lost more blood than I should have, I was pre-e, delivered at 37w, long pit fueled labor and not very all together after birth. Pretty much a mess and just wasn't trying to fight anyone, he was generally healthy, but there were some concerns about his health and I thought it was in his best interest.

 

However, after that poor little man was accidentally circed not too long ago, this kids is not leaving my sight.
 

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but seriously, i can't wrap my mind around this...how would they even get their hands on a babe's urine or meconium without your knowledge?

post #43 of 76

oh wow.....this DOES happen. so i asked my OB today about it. i know it's different from state to state but apparently they can test the newborn without consent (mother needs consent) when they have suspicions of drug use or even just something like premature birth, low birthrate, etc.....

wow.

he also said they automatically test you for syphilis without consent even if you were STD tested with your OB.

here's to having an awesomely honest OB but this stuff is crazy!

post #44 of 76
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Originally Posted by coyotemist View Post

So I'm a bit ignorant about such matters, having only smoked a few times.  But I was under the impression that it cleared out in 30 days?  So if mom is clear on a blood or urine test, would they test baby anyway?  I was on medicaid in OR (a slightly more friendly state) and did not notice anyone taking my baby's poo somewhere for testing...

 

As for zofran, I know a lot of mom's who have needed 2 pills a day, and insurance will only cover 6 per month.



the average is 28 days, however, 3-90 in a person urine. THC bonds to fat, and stores in it. so some heavy smokers, can even go 90 days, get clean, have some weight loss and test + again. its in your blood form the hit, to aprox 6-36 hours, and on your tong for around 3-12.

why do i know all this?

Hyperemesis with 2 pregnancies, and starting to get it this one. I live in CO. we are even more pot friendly than Cali, and i had private ins with #1, private switched to medicaid #2, medicaid now, but only 5 weeks so havent seen my doc yet. anyway, with #1 i smoked to 30 weeks, and then was hospitalized. i told my ob from the start, and he told me not to stop due to how sick i was and that would only make it worse. with #2, i didnt say much, he didnt ask. i smoked from about 6-12 weeks was put on steroids from still vomiting so much, and got better so i stoped smoking, but the steroids stopped working, and i got sick and was in and out of the hospital from 16-18 weeks and started smoking again. i figured i had a record to show what happened when i stopped, so if it came down to it, i would fight.

i was never tested. if i was, i never knew, and it was never brought up. even with the medicaid baby. i can say i freaked the whole time, and i was even more scared because i won cord blood banking, so i was worried their intensive test would show something, and i would get turned in, but really, i think they dont care in my state.

idk, not smoking now, but if i start getting sick, yes i will. i dont care what others think of me for it, cause my typical pregnancy is: a PICC line, IV fluids around the clock at home, Zofran pump usually on 36-48 mg a day, plus 2 bolus doses, IV reglan, and IV or oral Dramamine. so ya i will take the PLANT thank you!

 

OP- do what you need to do, but have you even tried Zofran? Medicaid pays for it, 100% and you can get enough to take them around the clock, so that you dont have a chance to get sick at all.

post #45 of 76

they never tested me, they just took my babies first diaper.

 

quit smoking. try other stuff. it isnt worth the risk of having your baby taken away. most of the nation is definitley not friendly.

post #46 of 76
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 cause my typical pregnancy is: a PICC line, IV fluids around the clock at home, Zofran pump usually on 36-48 mg a day, plus 2 bolus doses, IV reglan, and IV or oral Dramamine. so ya i will take the PLANT thank you!

 


That was never offered to my friend.  I watched her get stick thin, never be able to hardly cross a room she was so weak, retch constantly 24-7, and the doc's just kept pooh-poohing.  She carried him to overdue, though.  I WISH this had been offered.

post #47 of 76

I am so frustrated by doctors and others who dismiss hyperemesis.  With my son, I was puking early on until past 21 weeks and only gained 9 net pounds by the time he was born.  This time around, I've managed to get a prescription for generic zofran, but only have enough pills to take 2-3 tablets a day, which keeps me from vomiting, but the nausea is still *severe* and all day long.  Why are they rationing it out so?

 

I completely understand why people turn to these "alternative" solutions.

 

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Originally Posted by fairygirl13 View Post
 cause my typical pregnancy is: a PICC line, IV fluids around the clock at home, Zofran pump usually on 36-48 mg a day, plus 2 bolus doses, IV reglan, and IV or oral Dramamine. so ya i will take the PLANT thank you!

 


That was never offered to my friend.  I watched her get stick thin, never be able to hardly cross a room she was so weak, retch constantly 24-7, and the doc's just kept pooh-poohing.  She carried him to overdue, though.  I WISH this had been offered.

post #48 of 76

I found this link regarding WA state's drug testing policies and laws.  Essentially there is no law mandating testing and a woman always has the right to refuse EXCEPT in the case of the infant.  They can test a newborn without your consent if certain risk factors are present and detected by the medical staff.  I was curious and checked my own prenatal records but could not find any suspicious tests in either pregnancy.  Not that they aren't there, hidden from me irked.gif On the other hand, a friend of mine who was an L & D nurse in Kansas said drug testing was mandatory for mamas and babies.

 

I agree that even considering MJ as a harmful drug that could endanger your babe is ridiculous and it should be a criminal offense if you take away a babe for MJ use.  Meth?  Coke?  Sure.  But many pharma drugs have KNOWN harmful side effects to your baby and are still prescribed because dr's believe that the positive outweighs the negative.  OP, while I believe that you should be able to use MJ if it is providing a benefit (and outweighing any risk), I agree with others that the battle with CPS would not be worth it.

 

ETA: my midwives at DS's birth mentioned MJ to help calm me during labor

post #49 of 76

Wow, that is really too bad about your friend. It is decriminalized for possession of up to 100 grams, at least according to NORML ($150 fine and no criminal record: http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557), but yeah, I can see how having a baby test positive would be seen as a different legal circumstance and don't know what would happen then.

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Originally Posted by Blanca78 View Post

Possession is decriminalized in Ohio, correct? So maybe less strident testing goes along with that?



Nope, it's 100% illegal. I have a girlfriend serving 5 years mandatory minimum for living with a dealer. (thus having more drugs in a house in her name than any sane person should have, and not just pot)

post #50 of 76
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he also said they automatically test you for syphilis without consent even if you were STD tested with your OB.

here's to having an awesomely honest OB but this stuff is crazy!

 

Yes they do!! I got a bill seperete form the hospital for a syphilis test. I was kinda pised. I never agreed to it or even knew they were doing it.
 

post #51 of 76
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Originally Posted by tzs View Post

he also said they automatically test you for syphilis without consent even if you were STD tested with your OB.

here's to having an awesomely honest OB but this stuff is crazy!

 

Yes they do!! I got a bill seperete form the hospital for a syphilis test. I was kinda pised. I never agreed to it or even knew they were doing it.
 

 

yep....he said it completely pisses him off. i think b/c of the billing and his patients thinking that the OB ordered the testing.
 

post #52 of 76

I think some of you are confusing giving permission (with a signed consentn form) with INFORMED consent.  When you consent to "testing", they are not required to inform you of all the tests they are doing.  And if they mention that they are looking at your iron levels, that does not mean that they are looking at ONLY your iron levels.

 

I think that many people think that something is mandatory just because it is routinely done.


Edited by PuppyFluffer - 12/26/10 at 4:55pm
post #53 of 76

 I was tested often during my first pregnancy. I didn't know I was pregnant until 3 months though - and I openly admitted to the doctor I hadn't been clean before then. Also I  was 18. And on medicaid. I wasn't offended by the testing or anything though. I was more worried I did some sort of damage drinking and smoking before I knew.

 

Anyway - I went to my first Phish concert as a birthday present when I was 9 months pregnant, and I remember being concerned about being around smoke and it showing up on my tests. My doctor was apparently also a fan! It was an outdoor show and she said not to worry, I don't know if that meant that if it showed up it would be so trace it wasn't a big deal, or if the likelihood of it showing up was too small.

 

I know some women don't have any worries about smoking during pregnancy. To me it just wasn't worth the risk IF anything did happen or if it showed up in my tests.

 

I don't know what kind of stuff your doctor can recommend for you, but there's got to be something legal that you don't have to worry about. Especially if they are concerned with your weight gain.
 

post #54 of 76

I live in CO too, and I am pretty positive my son (I was single when I had him) was never tested. I changed every diaper and they never took one away that I noticed. Still, I would stop if I was you and figure out an alternative... Zofran has worked wonders for me, as has eating a TON of protein, especially right before bed and first thing in the morning. I feel so bad for anyone who has trouble getting Zofran, or getting enough of it... My insurance copay for THIRTY pills was $3, and I have 3 refills! 

post #55 of 76

i do know people who have smoked MJ during pregnancy with no adverse effects, not that I would recommend it.

However for excessive morning sickness (hypermesis gravidarum) i recommend this site:

http://www.helpher.org/

post #56 of 76

Does anyone know whether Illinois hospitals regularly drug test babies or moms? I have had hyperemesis and while the Zofran helps decrease my vomiting to a couple times a day, I still had a lot of trouble eating and drinking without a couple puffs a day of MJ. Often I could not swallow food or drink without gagging and even throwing up. At the rate I was losing weight, I would have had to have a PICC line, NG tube, and massive IV doses of Zofran. After doing a little research, I am more worried about the effects of the weight loss, dehydration, and round-the-clock Zofran than the MJ. (Not to mention the Zofran is costing me over $300 a month!) But I am concerned about CPS getting involved. I am early enough in my PG that I could still quit and have it not show up in meconium, but if I continue to have problems with nausea, well, again, it's more the Zofran and malnutrition/dehydration I worry about. I am also worried about the Dr's testing me...although I had my first-visit labwork done and obtained a copy of my results. There was no indication of a drug test. I worry, though because as a nursing student I worked a day in my dr's partner's office, and she told her nurse to drug test someone's urine and not to tell them she was doing it. I am married, have private insurance, and am a little older, having my first kid, though, so hopefully I don't fit their typical profile of a smoker. I am grateful for any info anyone has on this in Illinois! I am really worried about it!

post #57 of 76
I got totally blown off by my OB when I was pregnant and had HG. I lost 20 lbs my first trimester, and nothing over the counter helped. They finally wrote a script for Reglan, and it did nothing. Because I could keep down a small amount of food and water at night, they would not provide an iv of fluids and vitamins. I was SO sick and weak. I'd pass out by 6 PM every night and wake up barfing again. During my shift at work, I'd have 6-8 attacks where all I could do was vomit or dry heave. Sometimes I'd be dry heaving for a half hour straight. Finally I BEGGED for something else, and they kept telling me that there was another drug, but that my insurance wouldn't cover it. (Jerk didn't even bother checking before saying that.) I got a script for it, and it was covered. I had a high copay, but it sounds like the price has gone down some.

I can't believe how doctors think it is okay to blow off HG patients like they do. The constant dehydration and lack of protein just makes the vomiting worse, and it is a vicious cycle. I had a recommendation for cannabis that go round, but I was too terrified of testing positive to use it. This time I have used it a few times when it has gotten bad. I don't believe CA automatically tests, but they will if they have any reason to believe you are using. Toxicology was clearly stated on the lab form I had for my 8 week appointment, but my OB didn't select that option.

For those of you suffering, please make a fuss about it. They often won't treat you until you become the squeaky wheel. If you can't advocate for yourself, sign off to allow your spouse, partner, parent, etc. talk to the doctor about your medical records. I was at that point when I was pregnant with DD. Also, check out http://www.helpher.org/ for information and support for HG.
post #58 of 76

Kind of off-topic, but from my grandmother's stories it sounds like she had HG when pregnant with my aunt in 1956... she was vomiting constantly, couldn't keep anything down, losing weight. Her doctor blew her off too, and when she asked if she should take vitamins (which apparently weren't standard back then), he said that she should get enough vitamins from her food. Her response: "WHAT food?" Nice to know docs have a long proud history of being stupid about it. irked.gif

post #59 of 76

This is insane. I'm in CA and during my hospital births not once was blood or urine taken from me. Baby was left alone and we did cloth diapers which we washed ourselves so I know no one got his poop. I had no idea this type of thing even happened. irked.gif

post #60 of 76

Now that I think back on it, they did take my DD's first dirty diaper... and I didn't give them any reasons to suspect drug use.  I don't smoke or use drugs, but now I feel like my privacy was violated & I'm going to be pissed about it when I give birth this time now that I know what it's about.  I'm all for protecting kids from getting sent home with a drug addict, but to test babies without any reason makes no sense.  Especially offensive that they single out Medicaid patients and single moms.  I wonder what the ACLU has to say about this.

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