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Is circumcision still painful?

post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 

My son isn't circumcised, and I'm so relieved that I did my research when I was pregnant. Whether it's painful or not, it's still unreasonable to strap down a child and cut off a healthy part of his penis for no good reason.

 

I'm only asking if it's still painful out of curiosity. Some of the other message boards I've seen have people saying that the videos of babies being tortured without any pain medicine are outdated and used to scare parents. They often say their babies slept right through the circumcision. I've also seen videos where the baby is injected with pain medicine at the base of his penis and doesn't feel what's happening.

 

So which is it? Are babies normally tortured or is it likely that babies being born today will receive pain medication?


Edited by drs0410 - 12/20/10 at 5:44pm
post #2 of 48

Most babies do not receive any sort of pain medication at all because it is risky to use it with a newborn. I once read somewhere that even when the injections are used, it does not stop all of the pain. Babies appear to be sleeping through it because they basically shut down from the pain and go into shock.

I saw 5 circs all right in a row, live and in person, and every single baby cried and screamed and made noises that I have never heard babies make before. I can't imagine that any of them sleep. Ever. None received pain medication because the doctor said that they don't feel the circ.

It is cruel. It always has been and always will be. Even with injections, can you imagine how painful it would be to have them in your genital area and then still feel part of your flesh being ripped, crushed and cut off? Then to sit with a raw wound in a diaper until it heals.... Not good.

post #3 of 48
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How did you see 5 circumcisions? Are you a nurse?

 

I just want to believe that the babies of parents who don't know any better have some kind of pain relief.

 

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Originally Posted by Lauren82 View Post

Most babies do not receive any sort of pain medication at all because it is risky to use it with a newborn. I once read somewhere that even when the injections are used, it does not stop all of the pain. Babies appear to be sleeping through it because they basically shut down from the pain and go into shock.

I saw 5 circs all right in a row, live and in person, and every single baby cried and screamed and made noises that I have never heard babies make before. I can't imagine that any of them sleep. Ever. None received pain medication because the doctor said that they don't feel the circ.

It is cruel. It always has been and always will be. Even with injections, can you imagine how painful it would be to have them in your genital area and then still feel part of your flesh being ripped, crushed and cut off? Then to sit with a raw wound in a diaper until it heals.... Not good.

post #4 of 48

umm I witnessed 3 in a row at Brigham and Woman's...no pain meds...gave them suga, in a room off the nursery area. It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed  happen to a baby. they screamed bloody murder it was absolutely sickening. I witnessed this on a field trip in 12th grade in my allied health program.

post #5 of 48

It depends on the doctor and hospital policies but even if they are given such a medication, there is the healing. But that's all irrelevant anyway, your first paragraph sums up why very well. We could make all sorts of procedures painless, but that doesn't make them ethical or right.

post #6 of 48

I have seen quite a few circs as a nurse. I have seen only ONE baby sleep through it start to finish, and this was with lidocaine injections that the doctor was patient enough to wait for it to take effect.

 

At my place of work, most of the docs use bilateral lidocaine injections at the base of the penis (one or two were using just EMLA cream, but they no longer do circs, thank goodness). Lidocaine does seem to give decent pain relief, if properly placed, but the problem is that most of the doctors don't seem to wait long enough for the numbing to be complete.

 

The majority of them scream *horridly* at first, and then seem to fall asleep d/t basically shutting themselves off, as Lauren82 stated. Afterwards, they can't even have Tylenol, due to the risk. After the lidocaine wears off, they are so raw, and many scream in pain whenever the air hits their diaper area. It's pretty sad.

post #7 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fellow Traveler View Post

It depends on the doctor and hospital policies but even if they are given such a medication, there is the healing. But that's all irrelevant anyway, your first paragraph sums up why very well. We could make all sorts of procedures painless, but that doesn't make them ethical or right.



My thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by Fellow Traveler View Post

It depends on the doctor and hospital policies but even if they are given such a medication, there is the healing. But that's all irrelevant anyway, your first paragraph sums up why very well. We could make all sorts of procedures painless, but that doesn't make them ethical or right.



My thoughts exactly.



I totally agree.

post #9 of 48


i know you're not a circumciser, thank goodness. but this statement reflects how all parents who circumcise feel. and it's a big part of the problem of why the practice continues.
 

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I just want to believe that the babies of parents who don't know any better have some kind of pain relief.
 

post #10 of 48

I know someone who is a nurse and she is very anti circumcision.  She has seen many of them done.  She said, in her experience, when anesthetic is injected, the doctors begin the procedure almost immediately, saying "let's get this over with".  She said that the docs don't like doing them and just want to get them done quickly.  So, the poor kid gets the lidocaine injections, which sting like HOLY HELL if they are anything like what I got when I got my hand stitched up, then have to endure the cutting and ripping and cutting without the full effect of the anesthetic.  It's horrible that this is done to human beings and that anyone can be present and allow it.

post #11 of 48

I have seen hundreds of circumcisions, and every single baby screamed frantically through at least part of the procedure.  All the pediatricians at our hospital use lidocaine, but none wait--they all inject and immediately begin the circ.  

post #12 of 48

SO, SO thankful that we didn't put our beautiful son through such a horrific thing, just days after being welcomed into this world.

post #13 of 48
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SO, SO thankful that we didn't put our beautiful son through such a horrific thing, just days after being welcomed into this world.


That's what I have thought and felt SO MANY times these last 20 months of our son's life.  My heart ACHES when I imagine what could have been done to him.

post #14 of 48
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I have seen hundreds of circumcisions, and every single baby screamed frantically through at least part of the procedure.   



I was told by the OB that I went to for my second child that this happens because "Babies just dont like being strapped down but other than that they are fine."  irked.gif

 

post #15 of 48

I believe that there is a place in the afterlife or karma or whatever you want to call it for the people who circumcise babies/children/anyone without their express permission.  What part of your soul do you have to kill to be able to do that to another living being?

post #16 of 48

A friend of mine had her son circumcised in September and said it was just awful and that she will never get the image out of her mind, so I would say that "modern" pain relief is still not adequate.

post #17 of 48

Another nurse here...I spent over a decade working as an RN in Obstetrics and also witnessed circumcisions as a nursing student. So I've seen circs by various doctors, various techniques and meds used. But  I have never once seen a baby not cry through a circ, with or without pain meds. The ones I witnessed who did get a dorsal penile block did seem to cry less, but they still cried. I do believe some of them going into a shock like state. Umm, yeah, babies don't like being undressed and strapped down. Sure, they fuss a bit when it happens but the cry is nothing like when the clamping and cutting start.

post #18 of 48
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Another nurse here...I spent over a decade working as an RN in Obstetrics and also witnessed circumcisions as a nursing student. So I've seen circs by various doctors, various techniques and meds used. But  I have never once seen a baby not cry through a circ, with or without pain meds. The ones I witnessed who did get a dorsal penile block did seem to cry less, but they still cried. I do believe some of them going into a shock like state. Umm, yeah, babies don't like being undressed and strapped down. Sure, they fuss a bit when it happens but the cry is nothing like when the clamping and cutting start.


seriously that is the truth

post #19 of 48

I delivered ds at the largest teaching hospital in my state, and at our prenatal birth prep class the L&D nurse who taught it said to be sure to request anesthetic for the circ because not all doctors use it.  (It still blows my mind that no one seemed to think this was bad or even unusual.  She might as well have announced that they don't use anesthesia for baths.)  Later on, one of the moms who was planning to circ asked if it hurt, and to her credit the nurse said, "Oh yes, it hurts.  It's painful like labor."  She then went on to explain that once the clamp was applied or the plastibell string was tied, the nerves were crushed and "then it won't hurt anymore."  eyesroll.gif

post #20 of 48
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I delivered ds at the largest teaching hospital in my state, and at our prenatal birth prep class the L&D nurse who taught it said to be sure to request anesthetic for the circ because not all doctors use it.  (It still blows my mind that no one seemed to think this was bad or even unusual.  She might as well have announced that they don't use anesthesia for baths.)  Later on, one of the moms who was planning to circ asked if it hurt, and to her credit the nurse said, "Oh yes, it hurts.  It's painful like labor."  She then went on to explain that once the clamp was applied or the plastibell string was tied, the nerves were crushed and "then it won't hurt anymore."  eyesroll.gif


Wow.  Yeah, because when you lose a finger, or gouge out a part of your skin, or any other accident where you lose flesh, it definitely doesn't hurt.
 

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