Dark circles - Page 2

[Brees_Mama]

a better pic

[JulianneW]

I would get a vitamin D3 test on all of them. My younger brother had terrible dark circles and a rather pale complexion, turns out it was due to a vitamin D3 deficiency. 

http://homefirst.com/info-1/current-health-news/vitamin-d3.html

Apparently 75% of americans are deficient. My doctor is part of an integrative medical practice, she tested me and I was also very deficient, I  now take it as a supplement. 

[Brees_Mama]

That's a really good idea. My DH had his tested last yr and his was extremely low. He was put on 50, 000IU's. I had mine tested and it was semi low but not too bad. I've never had my kids vit D checked but I will.

[gabbyraja]

Originally Posted by Naturopath Mom 

Where are the dark circles? There are 3 general spots. Right under the eye is kidneys, under that is the colon and closer to the bridge of the nose is adrenals.

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

this can also tell which cell salts will be most effective.

Sorry to hijack, but Ooh, PB, can you please expand on the right cell salts? I don''t see anything in the biochemic handbook that mentions adrenals and I'm not that far in my most recent round of 30 library books yet to see what more I can do specifically for the adrenals. (Just finished Detoxification & Healing, by Dr Sydney McDonald Baker, friend and colleague of such greats as Pauling, Galland, Bland, etc. Great explanations of why and how detox happens in the body, but not much in the way of suggestions on  to what to do to heal, so I'm off to the next book.)

As you may remember I'm already using the calcs (not as consistently as I'd like, but still using them) and some intermittent ferr phos on my kids for teeth. We're also on TF, CO, doing FCLO, probiotics, water kefir, zinc, magnesium, raw honey before bed, digestive enzymes so much they want to kill me, and, as often as possible, nettle infusions.  I've been learning as much as possible about detox and attempting to do what I can in myself, but most of it involves things that taste so horrible I haven't wanted to fight before I really know what I'm doing... My kids seem to be all 3 at different times, but mostly adrenal, and they're getting worse rather than better.

BTW, I just added the magnesium ("Calm" powder) and zinc, but the others I've been doing since Dec.

[mimi!]

Well, from one Jessica to another, we're in the same boat.  It seems that we pretty much do the same supplements, ferment the same foods, and feel at our wits end!  I have heard that looking worse is good at the beginning, though I don't know how long that should last!

I also add in nat sulp (#11) as it is supposed to help with the liver and intestines, and therefore good for food sensitivities, as well as nat phos (#10) to help break down food and help make enzymes.

I've also tried these for detox from wellzymes.  We're on our second week of bottle number 1.

And to add to that, from elixirs.com, I've added in small intestine and large intestine (both 30c) as well as liver in 6c.

Your kids may want to kill you with the enzymes.  Mine are like baby birds, lol, they see me coming with yet another bottle, and they just open their mouths .

All that said, ds is slightly less constipated, and the puffy dark circles under his eyes are better some days, worse others.  Go figure.  Perhaps more things are coming out/its working.  I don't know!!!  Poor guy.  I'm going to take him to an osteopath tomorrow.

Naturopath Mom: what does it mean if the circles are like bags under the full eye and dark?

[Panserbjorne]

I'll come back to this, for some reason MDC has decided I can have SOME of my notifications, but not all.  For the circles-it's in the context of the whole.  There needs to be more than just the circle/darkness and the location to lead you to a salt, but I can talk a bit more about that.

When you have the edema with it that does add more to the picture.

[ttcintexas]

Subbing to learn more about the dark circle indicators. This forum is such an amazing resource. I learn something each time I read a new thread!

[mimi!]

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

I'll come back to this, for some reason MDC has decided I can have SOME of my notifications, but not all.  For the circles-it's in the context of the whole.  There needs to be more than just the circle/darkness and the location to lead you to a salt, but I can talk a bit more about that.

When you have the edema with it that does add more to the picture.

Yes, it sure does.  For a least a month now, I've added in nat mur. cell salt too.  Still no puffy reduction.  Its quite a puzzle!

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by mimi! 

Yes, it sure does.  For a least a month now, I've added in nat mur. cell salt too.  Still no puffy reduction.  Its quite a puzzle!

nat mur doesn't generally do much for edema...I have better luck with nat sulph fwiw.  the way I think of it is nat mur where there's lack and nat sulph where there's excess....simplistic for sure but in general that tends to be helpful!

[isabchi]

Originally Posted by Brees_Mama 

This is my 3yo. You can kinda see them here

That's exactly the dark circles of my DD

[3TsMom]

This thread is fascinating, I am learning so much.  My DD has had horrible black circles under her eyes.  She has some allergies but they seem to be at their worst when her gut is out of check.  She's a yeast beast...sigh.  We do see them get worse before getting better when treating yeast and they were really, really bad when we took her off milk last year (you can see pics here).  I'm intimidated by the length of the cell salts post but I guess I need to just dive in and figure it out.  Digestive enzymes are on my to do list too...

Thanks for posting!

[mimi!]

How long do you think it would take for Nat sulp to work?  I've been giving him this faithfully since November.  Should I perhaps try Nat Sulp in a 30c?
 

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

nat mur doesn't generally do much for edema...I have better luck with nat sulph fwiw.  the way I think of it is nat mur where there's lack and nat sulph where there's excess....simplistic for sure but in general that tends to be helpful!

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by mimi! 

How long do you think it would take for Nat sulp to work?  I've been giving him this faithfully since November.  Should I perhaps try Nat Sulp in a 30c?
 

you've been doing both?

[gabbyraja]

Originally Posted by 3TsMom 

This thread is fascinating, I am learning so much.  My DD has had horrible black circles under her eyes.  She has some allergies but they seem to be at their worst when her gut is out of check.  She's a yeast beast...sigh.  We do see them get worse before getting better when treating yeast and they were really, really bad when we took her off milk last year (you can see pics here).  I'm intimidated by the length of the cell salts post but I guess I need to just dive in and figure it out.  Digestive enzymes are on my to do list too...

Thanks for posting!

Ooh, that last pic on the right is my kids, all of them but the baby. We're going to do the saliva test tomorrow morning! (though I already knew we had yeast trouble, I'd like to know what kind of headway we're making at the end of month FOUR)
 

[FireWithin]

very cool.  this and iridiology fascinates me.

My boys react with dark circles while baby girl gets puffy edema.  Now i have another tool to help her out.

[Panserbjorne]

big fan of iridology myself!

[mimi!]

no, just the nat sulph 6x (along with the 5 phos, and kali mur, and cal flour. - which is nearly all of them!)

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

you've been doing both?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by mimi! 

no, just the nat sulph 6x (along with the 5 phos, and kali mur, and cal flour. - which is nearly all of them!)

moving up in potency is a possibility here.  Did you see any shifts with the nat sulph at all?  The other thing is looking at the whole picture...there might be another clue hiding.  I talked in the cell salt thread about a three legged stool...do you have that with nat sulph?

[mimi!]

Thanks!  Yes, I just checked that post, and it makes a lot of sense, since I've focused on the two for so long.  The chrio. may have helped a bit, so the osteopath seemed the next place to go to.

Yes, the shift I saw with nat sulp, was a slight reduction in puffiness and lightening in colour. If the 6x is still not it after a few treatments, then I'll increase the potency.

If anyone is interested in Ds' experience with the osteopath, its post 1084
 

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

moving up in potency is a possibility here.  Did you see any shifts with the nat sulph at all?  The other thing is looking at the whole picture...there might be another clue hiding.  I talked in the cell salt thread about a three legged stool...do you have that with nat sulph?

[Brees_Mama]

thanks for the blog link, ill read it later when the baby isnt clawing at me. im gonna do the saliva test tonight!