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frugalmama 
I don't take the wine and never have since I converted to Catholicism in 2003. I'm not comfortable with the sharing cup since I have a suppressed immune system, and normally the wine here is done by a helper, not the priest. I prefer to receive from a priest when at all possible.
Traditionally only the priest received the wine until Vatican II, and I think that if it was good enough for 1960 or so years, it should be good enough for now. I don't understand, even after study, why they switched to communion under both forms for all. But then again there is a lot of things they did in Vatican II I don't understand their reasons for.
I just want to reiterate that - by the time it is received, we are no longer speaking of "wine". 
Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist are more than mere "helpers", in my personal opinion. It is a great honor and privilege to be called to that ministry, and Eucharist is no "less" of the full presence of Christ just because you don't receive it from a priest. Sorry but this is something that really irks me - I've seen people "jump the line" when they realized that they would be receiving a Host from an EM rather than a priest and I just makes me :splat:
Vatican II reforms were instituted to make the rituals and Sacraments more open & accessible to the Communicants/the Body of the Church (i.e., the congregation). Prior to that, Mass was more like a "priest's performance" and there wasn't a lot of active participation from the congregation ... the priest even celebrated Mass with his back to the community.
Jesus didn't celebrate the Last Supper above and beyond His disciples, turning His back to them. He literally surrounded Himself with them, washed their feet, and then fed them - spiritually as well as physically. He was their humble servant.
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christianmomof3 
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Originally Posted by
Trigger 
I'm Roman Catholic, and we are encouraged to receive under both species. I do, because I think it's spiritually significant and a great privilege. It's also indicated in Scripture. If you don't, I'm curious why.
I want to note that I do realize that the RC church believes that the Body and the Blood of Christ are fully present in each of the consecrated species.
That is interesting. I never heard the bread and wine called "species". I also have never heard a concept that both Body and Blood are in both. Our church sees taking the bread and wine as being symbolic - just as the bread and wine (and other foods) were used symbolically at the Passover meal. We use grape juice instead of wine and we always have both. I did not know that some people just have one or the other. Why would you only have bread or only wine when the Lord said to have both in rememberance of Him?
The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ are received under the species of unleavened bread and wine so that they may be physically consumed. Although they retain the properties of grapes/wine and wheat/bread, we believe that, through consecration (which involves prayer and the faith of the gathered believers), they are physically changed to become the actual Body and Blood of Christ.
The symbolism vs. Real Presence question is a key Reformation issue, which endures to this day. Most Protestant denoms reject the idea of Real Presence in Communion.
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Nitenites 
I voted "sometimes." If I don't have a child in my arms (rare) then I receive under both species. That is, if I have two hands with which to hold the vessel, then I choose to receive. If I'm holding a toddler or a baby, then I abstain. It's the same reason that I receive the consecrated host on the tongue when I'm holding a baby/toddler, but in the hand when I have my hands free: I don't want to risk any dropping or spilling.
You reminded me of the time a woman (a visitor to the parish, I'd never seen her before) approached me when I was ministering the Precious Blood, and then stood in front of me with her mouth open, waiting for me to pour it in her mouth.
We also have a little old woman in her nineties, who can barely hold the chalice herself and requires an extra pair of hands to help her out. I'm also super careful with the young kids who receive, just because they tend to be more distracted.
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Nitenites 
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christianmomof3 
That is interesting. I never heard the bread and wine called "species". I also have never heard a concept that both Body and Blood are in both. Our church sees taking the bread and wine as being symbolic - just as the bread and wine (and other foods) were used symbolically at the Passover meal. We use grape juice instead of wine and we always have both. I did not know that some people just have one or the other. Why would you only have bread or only wine when the Lord said to have both in rememberance of Him?
Why would you think it's symbolic when Our Lord never said so? 
Opinion on this subject - and interpretation of the Scripture - varies.
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indie 
I can understand those that think it is gross. I used to feel that way when I was in a church which held to a purely memorial theology of communion. But at some point I just knew that there was more to it than that. And I love the way that the unity of Christ's Body (the Church) is communicated through the sharing of the chalice amoungst everyone.
Our churches are ok with using a gluten free host and I suspect that most priest would make it available if requested. Pieces of the host often get in the wine (sometimes intentionally and sometimes just because it is broken over it). I think most of our priest would be willing to accommodate someone celiac in this as well. Someone above mentioned that the wine is sweet. We use a tawny Port which is pretty sweet and the kids don't mind it at all.
The above bolded is precisely why I have no trouble sharing the chalice.
I wish the Catholic Church would get solidly on board with the gluten-free Host. Most smaller churches in our area don't incense anymore to accomodate those with allergies/asthma.
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springmama 
I voted sometimes. I am a convert and I have to tell you that at first it really freaked me out to see everyone receiving from the same chalice! I really hate to drink after anyone, even my dh so it is hard for me to do it sometimes. I was doing it pretty regularly after my conversion until one time I drank a small piece of the host floating in the chalice, I'm RC so there is no intinction done by fellow parishioners and I just assumed it had come out of someone else's mouth. I almost threw up! 
I feel like Christ called us to do both so I struggle with skipping the precious blood but all the while accepting the Church's teaching that the body and blood of Christ is present in both species. So now I receive it when I feel led by the Holy Spirit to do so and I try to really focus on the fact that it is the blood of Christ and what a privlige that I am called to His table to receive Him.
The Roman Catholic church doesn't forbid intinction. I've done it, at a wedding Mass; and I know that there are other RC churches who do it regularly. I find it a quite beautiful way to receive, actually.
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christianmomof3 
ick - I would not want to drink out of the same cup as other people. We have a little pitcher that is blessed and passed around and we all have little cups to pour our own into - much more sanitary.
As far as the symbolism - Jesus and His diciples were eating a meal the night before Passover or on Passover in which most of the foods are symbolic when He instituted the symbolic eating and drinking of the bread and wine in rememberance of Himself. At the Passover meal, we say things like - this salt water is the tears that our ancestors shed in Egypt and we call the food what it symbolises and it is eaten in rememberance of the Jewish people being freed from Egypt. You might want to look at a Passover Haggaddah to see how it is worded. So, for Jesus, who was a Jew, to be at a meal the night before Passover and say this wine is my blood and this bread is my body - eat this in rememberance of me - which He did say - is just like the symbolic foods of the Passover meal.
see 1 Cor. 11:23-26
Again, they call it "Communion" for a reason!
And again - the nuances of that Scripture are debated by different denominations. You can read it as symbolism, while others will read it differently. It's one of the conundrums of faith, but it's also one of the beauties/mysteries of faith. As long as it's real "faith", I think that's the important thing.
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