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post #21 of 75

My son is not vaxxed at all and is now almost 8 months. For his first 2 months of life he was partially drinking pumped breast milk and 2/3 of his daily intake was formula for many reasons-- unfortunately breastfeeding did not go easy for us. He has had one small case of runny nose that lasted for a day and has not been sick other than that.

post #22 of 75

I think what I find a bit disconcerting about this thread is that it almost takes the "pro-vaccine" approach to illness, which is "illness is bad". I don't think illness is bad or abnormal. I think getting sick is a normal part of childhood and life. It's all in how bodies handle it and the abnormal changes that are coming about from vaccines (and other toxins).

 

Chicken pox, the flu, Hib, mumps, etc are all normal parts of growing your immune system. What is not normal is all the asthma, allergies, auto-immune disease, cancers, cognitive and sensory disorders, the CONSTANT runny nose, etc. I would not be so concerned with how often a child gets sick, but how their bodies deal with the illness and what abnormal issues they have. Getting sick might not be fun or convenient, but it is a normal part of being a child that makes for a healthier adult.

 

post #23 of 75

DS is non-vaxed, breastfed for almost 3 years, gets lots of exercise and sleep and hardly ever gets sick.  He's only had a fever once, and the colds he's had have been minor for the most part...plus he heals from them quickly.  He got the chicken pox a few months ago, and it didn't slow him down one bit...he healed from that quickly as well. 

post #24 of 75
Thread Starter 

Thanks to each of you for your reply, I really appreciate it! While I wasn't really expecting overwhelming "no vax = no illness" responses, it's been interesting for me to see what everyone's experiences have been. It seems like everyone's DC are quite different, and I realize that there's more to their illnesses than non-vaxed, selective-vaxed, fully-vaxed. I suppose we're just lucky with DD, but who knows, that could change with time.
 

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Originally Posted by ammiga View Post

I think what I find a bit disconcerting about this thread is that it almost takes the "pro-vaccine" approach to illness, which is "illness is bad". I don't think illness is bad or abnormal. I think getting sick is a normal part of childhood and life. It's all in how bodies handle it and the abnormal changes that are coming about from vaccines (and other toxins).

 

Chicken pox, the flu, Hib, mumps, etc are all normal parts of growing your immune system. What is not normal is all the asthma, allergies, auto-immune disease, cancers, cognitive and sensory disorders, the CONSTANT runny nose, etc. I would not be so concerned with how often a child gets sick, but how their bodies deal with the illness and what abnormal issues they have. Getting sick might not be fun or convenient, but it is a normal part of being a child that makes for a healthier adult.

 


I'm definitely not advocating that illnesses shouldn't be a part of childhood, I realize that they are a necessary and expected part of any child (or person's) life. I was honestly just trying to get a feel for what other non-vaxing moms have experienced, because I don't know any personally. What has been frustrating for me in talking with the other moms that I do know is that I'm always labeled as the "crazy one" for not vaccinating my child, while she's obviously the healthiest one of the group. I might be "crazy", but my daughter hasn't had 4 ear infections in 8 months or hasn't been in and out of the hospital since birth for one thing after another. When a child is barely 1 year of age and their ped is talking ear tubes and nebulizers, to me, something seems fishy beyond the normal realm of coughs and colds. And like a PP stated, all I can do is smile and nod, but I still would like to know if I'm the only mom experiencing what I'm experiencing, KWIM?

post #25 of 75
Thread Starter 

Thanks to each of you for your reply, I really appreciate it! While I wasn't really expecting overwhelming "no vax = no illness" responses, it's been interesting for me to see what everyone's experiences have been. It seems like everyone's DC are quite different, and I realize that there's more to their illnesses than non-vaxed, selective-vaxed, fully-vaxed. I suppose we're just lucky with DD, but who knows, that could change with time.
 

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Originally Posted by ammiga View Post

I think what I find a bit disconcerting about this thread is that it almost takes the "pro-vaccine" approach to illness, which is "illness is bad". I don't think illness is bad or abnormal. I think getting sick is a normal part of childhood and life. It's all in how bodies handle it and the abnormal changes that are coming about from vaccines (and other toxins).

 

Chicken pox, the flu, Hib, mumps, etc are all normal parts of growing your immune system. What is not normal is all the asthma, allergies, auto-immune disease, cancers, cognitive and sensory disorders, the CONSTANT runny nose, etc. I would not be so concerned with how often a child gets sick, but how their bodies deal with the illness and what abnormal issues they have. Getting sick might not be fun or convenient, but it is a normal part of being a child that makes for a healthier adult.

 


I'm definitely not advocating that illnesses shouldn't be a part of childhood, I realize that they are a necessary and expected part of any child (or person's) life. I was honestly just trying to get a feel for what other non-vaxing moms have experienced, because I don't know any personally. What has been frustrating for me in talking with the other moms that I do know is that I'm always labeled as the "crazy one" for not vaccinating my child, while she's obviously the healthiest one of the group. I might be "crazy", but my daughter hasn't had 4 ear infections in 8 months or hasn't been in and out of the hospital since birth for one thing after another. When a child is barely 1 year of age and their ped is talking ear tubes and nebulizers, to me, something seems fishy beyond the normal realm of coughs and colds. And like a PP stated, all I can do is smile and nod, but I still would like to know if I'm the only mom experiencing what I'm experiencing, KWIM?

post #26 of 75
My kids are 8 and 3. Each has had a fever twice but it only lasted a few hours. I can tell when DS who's 8 has been exposed to something because he will take a nap. When he wakes up a few hours later he's fine. When he was little he would just nurse a lot more than usual. DD woke up with croup when she was young but it was gone by that same evening. They've been exposed to many things including flus, RSV, hand foot and mouth, CP as I don't do anything to limit their exposure to germs or sick people but they never seem to suffer with illness. I was always sick as a child so I feel my kids are very fortunate.
post #27 of 75

My son is 4 and rarely gets sick. He had an ear infection when he was getting his teeth in and sniffles here and there. He was EBF for 6 months and extended bf until about two months ago. No vax's. 

post #28 of 75
My four, all under seven, have always been very healthy. Between them there has never been an ear infection and only a few colds, the worst was purtussis but even that wasn't bad. Alltogether we've experianced maybe five instances of vomiting and they were minor, compare that to my nieces who were not vaxed until school age. They were super healthy then after the vaccines their health fell apart and the copays are threatening the financial stability of my sisters family. That was also when they began to embrace fast food and other junk.

I wonder if the healthy lifestyle and good nutrition of most nonvaxing families has anything to do with it?
post #29 of 75

 



Hmmmm.

DD (6) was vaxed up to two months, and has had two ear infections, about eleven colds (we average two a year with her) and one strange bad flu like illness that had her lying around miserable for a week.

The other three kids have not been vaxed and none of them caught their first bug (cold) till after two years old, with the exception of a small cold the littlest guy got at 16 months. Together, they've had a total of about seven colds and six tummy bugs and one bout of mono.

No one's yet ever had an ear infection in that group and we've had no rotavirus with any of the kids.

Fevers are almost always attributed to teething.

Then again, we don't use daycare and we homeschool.
post #30 of 75
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Originally Posted by 2cutiekitties View Post

DS isn't vaxed at all. He will be 4 in a month. Until he started preschool in Aug, he only had a couple of very minor colds, got over them quick, barely made a dent in his life. Then we started preschool and he and I have been sick about 10 times, ranging from a week long cold from heck to one day minor feel like crapola days.

 

I used to think his immune system was amazing. I used to think not vaxing had an affect. Now, I honestly dont know what to make of it all. But we are both tired of being sick!!



This is the same problem we are having.  My DS is 4 1/2 and just started preschool in October and has been sick twice (the most recent was a very high fever and his first ear infection).  He was vaxxed until 9 months and then I completely stopped and he nursed until he was 3.  My DD is 14 months and she is completely unvaxxed and got sick from him this past time and had a mild case of bronchiolitis, but she was so congested that she was barely able to nurse, so I think if she were able to nurse she would have gotten better quicker.  I even got sick and got an ear infection for the first time in my adult life, nasty school germs!  UGH!!!  I still have some fluid behind my eardrum after almost a month, crazy!  I'm seriously considering homeschooling if this is how it's going to be with school.  I can't take it!  So, my DS rarely had anything but colds and a mild case of the croup until preschool began and he was always around other kids too.  So, I just don't get it either.  I guess school really exposes kids to a lot of germs, I don't know! 

post #31 of 75

 


Well, Shane is EBF and just a mere 5 months old, but so far never.

I just started vit C and vit D supplemens, so hopefully we can keep this streak up
post #32 of 75

 

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Fast forward to a year or so later, and out of all 8 combined children, my DD is the only one who has never been sick. For the last year I have been hearing horror stories about ear infections, chest congestion, reflux, fevers, vomiting, asthma, motor delays, even RSV! My DD has never even had a runny nose. She has had a fever exactly twice, and both times she popped teeth within 48 hours of the fever.

  

 

 

whether you vaccinate or not really has nothing to do with most of the above things, vaccines protect you from specific illnesses, not every fever, every type of vomiting, every ear infection, every runny nose!  Your question doesn't make sense unless you change it to " how often have your non-vaxed kids  been sick with vaccine preventable diseases". You are comparing apples to oranges. I would say that how much your child is sick compared to your friends has a lot more to do with whether or not you are breastfeeding and giving your child antibodies everyday to the things that you have come into contact with (and by extension your baby has probably come into contact with), and how exposed your baby is to other children. Only my 3rd has been sick frequently. The difference between baby 1 and 2, compared to 3, is that now 1 and 2 go to 2 different schools, are in activites, and we go out of the house a lot more than when 1 and 2 were babies, so the total number of illnesses the baby is exposed to is far greater. My other children were hardly ever sick until they started being around other kids every single day. All of thenm are vaccinated

post #33 of 75
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Originally Posted by babymommy2 View Post

whether you vaccinate or not really has nothing to do with most of the above things, vaccines protect you from specific illnesses, not every fever, every type of vomiting, every ear infection, every runny nose!  Your question doesn't make sense unless you change it to " how often have your non-vaxed kids  been sick with vaccine preventable diseases". You are comparing apples to oranges. I would say that how much your child is sick compared to your friends has a lot more to do with whether or not you are breastfeeding and giving your child antibodies everyday to the things that you have come into contact with (and by extension your baby has probably come into contact with), and how exposed your baby is to other children. Only my 3rd has been sick frequently. The difference between baby 1 and 2, compared to 3, is that now 1 and 2 go to 2 different schools, are in activites, and we go out of the house a lot more than when 1 and 2 were babies, so the total number of illnesses the baby is exposed to is far greater. My other children were hardly ever sick until they started being around other kids every single day. All of thenm are vaccinated

 

Well the question does make sense, because many of us who don't vaccinate believe that vaccines weaken the immune system (among other things), thereby making them more susceptible to frequent illness. Obviously there are many other factors though so an informal poll won't really prove anything but I do think it's a valid question & an interesting discussion.
 

post #34 of 75

DS got a few early vaxes, all before 6months, one dose of each HEP B, PCV7, HIB and two doses of IPV. We are sick all the time. I am sick all the time, I always have a cold in the winter, and I might get a fever one or two times a year(I was fully vaxed as a kid in the 90s(minus chickenpox). DS gets sick about half the amount of time that I get sick, but he has a greater tendency to get a fever. If its more serious than a cold or mucousy throat/nose, then its usually run its course within 36 hours. He's 18months old, and has been sick(fever or vomiting) 5 times at most. DH was fully vaxed(multiple times, as a child, teen(when they lost his records), and again as an adult(for immigration purposes, I believe, though it may have just been a TB test) I believe that DH may have even received the smallpox vax(fun stuff, lol).

 

As far as VPDs, none of us have contracted any VPD's within years. I haven't gotten anything(noticeable) since chickenpox as a young child, same probably goes for DH. DS has most likely had rotavirus, but it wasn't serious. Otherwise, no VPDs here(not to say that some of them wouldn't be desirable ;)

 

 

ETA: 2 or 3 of our fevers were probably teething related, the rest(1-2 maybe?) presented with actual illness or lethargy.

 

ETA: I was fully formula fed as a baby, and DS was fed 10% formula from birth, formula was the first thing he drank, DH was fully breastfed, and grew up in pakistan(and was therefore exposed to, and became immune to, many illnesses that would make parents in the west squirm).


Edited by Amatullah0 - 1/3/11 at 2:15pm
post #35 of 75

My non-vaxed kiddo was my sickest, but he also really struggled with asthma as an infant/toddler due to lung prematurity at birth. My oldest was partially vaxxed, but overall healthy from birth.


This new babe won't be vaxed and I think that non-vax kiddos are on a whole healthier with better immune systems.

post #36 of 75

My 4 year old is completely unvaxed and has had cold/flu symptoms with a fever twice, maybe 3 times (it has been at least a year since he's been sick, I can't remember for sure!), and each time I took him to our physician, who did not prescribe anything, only suggesting a vaporizer once.  He quickly recovered from those illnesses.  He's never had a VPD that we know of, and definitely hasn't had any ear infections (which are so common in the children we spend a lot of time around).  Our doctor himself is very supportive of non- and selective- vaxing, and if I remember correctly has his five children on a delayed, selective schedule.  In his words "kids need to get sick" ;)  Though I am grateful that mine hasn't been as sick as most!

post #37 of 75

ds2, around 5 times in 3 years. He's vaxed up to 18 months.

 

ds1, not vaxed at all and has never been sick.

post #38 of 75

I feel that there's a corolation. I know it could easily be complete fluke but it just seems related to me. My son is vaxed up to 6 months which is when I started researching the whole thing. He's now 2. He gets sick as much as your average kid I guess.

My next kid will not be vaxed. I'm eager to see if his/her health is better.

post #39 of 75



 

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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post


I wonder if the healthy lifestyle and good nutrition of most nonvaxing families has anything to do with it?


 Honestly, I truely believe that genetics, a healthy lifestyle and good nutrition, along with a positive attitude about life in general, are the most important factors in a person's health.  There are thousands of perfectly healthy kids and adults out there who were formula fed, fully vaxed and otherwise "mainstream raised" as babies.  There are also thousands of babies out there who are not vaxed and fully EBF who end up with ear infections, allergies, and end up really sick like once a month.  If you never ever vax any of your kids, but also never clean your house ever, stuff your kid with ding dongs and ho-hos, and plop them in front of tv and video games for 12 hours a day, your kids are going to be less healthy than the ones who are fully vaxed, but eat fresh healthy food and go outside to play regularly.  If your family has a strong history of allergies, you are more likely to have kids with allergies, BF, vaxed or not, than a family without a history of allergies. 

post #40 of 75

My non vaxed 3.5 year old has been sick 2 times in his life.  Both times were colds.  The first time was scary for me cause he was an infant, but the sceond time wasn't so bad. It is the body injuries that are the worst for us...he just loves jumping all around this house and we've ended up in the ER a couple of times for a fracture and a neck injury. 

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