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Science is Real (by There Might Be Giants--it's really great, by the way!!)



Thanks for the recommendation! I downloaded it on zune immediately and am listening to "Meet the Elements" now joy.gif


Cool!  Yeah, we have the CD in our car and I must admit to occasionally listening to it when the kids aren't with me. lol.gif

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DH and I joined a Unitarian church a few years after we were married, and I don't even know if we are athiest, agnostic, or neither- I haven't thought about defining myself in such a way in many, many years.  I'm just trying to live my life as best I can.  The "god" question just hasn't been too relevant.

 

My family are cafeteria Catholics, but DH's family..... WHOA.  Bible-belt evangelical hardcore Christians.  Hard.  Core.

 

And I don't mind the praying before meals at all.  First, like a PP said, I view it like as a cultural experience.  Like throwing a glass into the fireplace and lighting cheese on fire at my Greek neighbor's house growing up.  Secondly, I LOVE the idea of pausing before eating to express my appreciation for meals.  I mean, there are so many who have so little, that it's a good reminder to stop and be grateful.  And, luckily, the prayers in my family are pretty innocous.

 

So, I guess in answer to your question, I would just view it as a strange custom, just as if we were travelling to Europe or something.  It could be a great teachable moment.

 

But.... I'm not an athiest... I don't think.  That might make a difference.

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....When his parents visit, they often do things like pray (aloud) before meals, and read the kids books/show them DVDs with religious themes (a lot of Veggie Tales).  At first it bothered me, but then I thought about it and figured I tell my kids all sorts of "stories" that aren't true--Santa, fairies, Paul Bunyan, whatever.  I don't stop to specify that these are all just stories, but I'm honest with them when asked.  So when my 4-year-old asked me after a recent visit with her grandparents if God was real, I told her that no one could know that for sure, that some people thought so (like her grandparents) but that her dad and I didn't believe so.  That seemed to satisfy her.

 

My biggest issue with the grandparents so far was when they watched a video (of ours) with our kids: Science is Real (by There Might Be Giants--it's really great, by the way!!), and got all flustered when a song about evolution came on ("My Brother the Ape"), and then stopped the dvd to tell my kids that "not everyone believes this" and "Grammie and Gpa don't believe that we evolved from apes" and whatever.  I didn't make an issue of it, but I talked to my kids about it in the car on the way home.  That was the only instance in which I felt I needed to make a point of talking about what their grandparents had said to them--I don't feel the need to "undo" every god-is-good prayer before dinner or even their telling of "the Christmas story," but something about them trying to make Creationists out of them just *extra* rubbed me the wrong way.


 

I would have had such a problem with this.  You don't stop to talk to them when the grandparents say something, but they stop to talk like that?  Ugh.

 

 

 

OP, I guess for me, I wouldn't have been at a relative's house during a religious holiday-time to begin with.  We hunker down and stay away from people on those days.  It doesn't sound like the family prays and makes others pray during other meals, so I would just avoid that situation.

 

I don't know if I'm atheist or not, but I can't even get myself to believe in ANYTHING, not even earth based stuff, not hubby's Buddhism, not a thing.  And for me it really grates on my nerves to hear prayers of basically any kind, and I try to avoid the whole thing.

 

 

We recently had a family vacation that involved a small reunion with some family members who are rather religious.  The 3 year old did keep bursting into spontaneous prayer (which was actually quite adorable), but I was glad to see they didn't need to outwardly pray before meals.  But then, they are having a problem with a different relative of the husband of my cousin pushing THEIR even more serious religion on them, and their 8 year old son (who only seems the more religious family members 2, maybe 3, times a year) started getting on our cases about the alcohol we (me, his mom, and his grandmother) had, going on and on about how wrong it is to drink "chemicals" etc etc.  So maybe they are seeing that if they feel that is offensive, others might see what they might do as offensive, and they don't want to do that to others.

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Just so you know where I'm coming from...I was raised Catholic, then spent a solid amount of time in the Episcopal Church.  My DH is Episcopal.  I go to a UU church, have earth based leanings and believe in a feminine deity... Mother Earth, sort of, but more than that... so I'm somewhat undefined about what I am, religiously speaking.  And while I have been pretty open about things with DH, I haven't so much with extended family... I just don't think I'm ready for those conversations, yet.

 

Anyway, I have been in very similar situations.  Over at my parent's house for a meal, and the meal time prayer comes along.  Now a blessing isn't a big deal, because we are in the habit of saying a blessing before the meal.  And I'm not even worried about it being a Christian or non Christian blessing (since DH is Christian).  But what has bothered me is that a few times, my dad has encouraged DS to "fold your hands, bow your head and say 'dear Jesus, thank you for our food. amen.'"  THAT'S the point at which I become uncomfortable.  DS isn't 3, yet.  And I just feel like telling a child that young to say that, is teaching empty motions.  Plus, it feels like indoctrination to me.  So a few weeks later, maybe even a few months later... I mentioned just in casual passing that we don't ask or make DS say mealtime prayers because I felt like it was teaching him empty actions, but that we don't mind modelling and him learning about different forms of prayer by seeing other pray and by being with others when they pray.  I was way more casual than that when I said it, to the point that I don't even think they realized that I was saying it because of something they had done.  But they haven't ever asked him to pray since then.

 

Other thoughts that bother me about prayer hands are that, even among people who pray, praying doesn't require prayer hands... a person can be bowing their head, kneeling, standing, sitting, dancing, heck they could be picking their nose and still be praying.  It drives me batty in a group of people when they say, "it's time for a moment of silence, please bow your heads."  Or "Let us bow our heads for a moment of prayer."  Like, why I can't I look upward to pray?  Or straight ahead?  Why do I have to fold my hands and look at my toes?  Do I really have to close my eyes? Is it any less of a prayer because I happen to be looking at the trees out the window? (oops I got off on a tangent)

 

The last thought that I had, is that I think that it's possible for a meal time blessing to work with atheist values.  Like if your LO ever asks about meal prayers at grandma's house, you can say something like "grandma believes that there is a god and she likes to thank her god for her meal.  We believe there isn't a god.  But when grandma stops to pray at her house, we can pause and feel thankful for our food and for the people who helped provide our food."

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I allow my children the freedom of deciding for themselves.  Recently, they have wanted to go to church with their grandparents, and that is fine with me.

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Science is Real (by There Might Be Giants--it's really great, by the way!!)



Thanks for the recommendation! I downloaded it on zune immediately and am listening to "Meet the Elements" now joy.gif


Cool!  Yeah, we have the CD in our car and I must admit to occasionally listening to it when the kids aren't with me. lol.gif


Best kids songs ever!! The animation on the DVD that comes with it is really cool, especially Electric Car. 

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