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hug2.gif Shannon

Tanya- I read the bread recipe first, and now it makes much more sense. lol.gif So did you guys end up filling up your spit jars and sending them in? I'm really impatiently waiting for results.......


Should be really soon now, shouldn't it?  I can't wait to see dh's results!

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And omg... I'm moving to Edmonton and getting a job at the Kinnikinnick factory. How do they make this gfcf stuff so delicious?! I ate a whole package of their oreo-type cookies the other day, and I just finished off the package of animal crackers. mmmmmmm. Too bad nobody close to me sells them (actually that's probably a really good thing!!)
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hug2.gif Shannon

Tanya- I read the bread recipe first, and now it makes much more sense. lol.gif So did you guys end up filling up your spit jars and sending them in? I'm really impatiently waiting for results.......


Should be really soon now, shouldn't it?  I can't wait to see dh's results!


Yeah- couple more weeks I think!
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mag bowel tolerance affecting poop?  I quoted the first to ask about normal tolerance.  I can't seem to give ds much of anything, and I don't know if my view is just warped.  about 30mg natural calm will give him runny poop.  At 9mo is that just normal?

 

And the cavities are looking worse, even just a couple days later.  I'm FREAKING OUT.  I need to stop this, NOW.  today.  yesterday.   last week.  last month.  cell salts, xylitol, butter, marrow, vit D, broth, what else can I do? clay?  all direct to him. avoid fruit?  And what for myself?  He's also biting everything and grinding his teeth.  I'm sure my stress is just depleting milk nutrients and making it worse, too.  SUCKS.


Seems too quick, and the 1st time was before any change in mag.

 

What do I know about normal 9mo kids?  DS was getting sick all the time back then and I was giving him about 10 grams of vitC/day all winter and that was my normal.  Yeah, not so much. 

 

Ok... we need to figure out a plan for the teeth.  Something about dental issues IS more stressful than other stuff.  First, what did Elisabeth say?  I will think while at my DO's appt for the kids and then we can all brainstorm (here or on FB, whichever you prefer--I just didn't jump in on that, saw lots of other good ideas).  Hugs!

 



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hug2.gif Shannon

Tanya- I read the bread recipe first, and now it makes much more sense. lol.gif So did you guys end up filling up your spit jars and sending them in? I'm really impatiently waiting for results.......


DH, DD and I filled ours, DS's is still sitting there.  Maybe I can get him to fill it tonight, that would be great.  I was going to break down soon and just order the swab, but I don't want to pay more, yk?  So I'm hoping he makes enough spit now.  The 4-6 weeks should be coming up pretty soon (was it 6-8 or 4-6?  I think I sent it in around Dec 10? no idea why I remember that date, but somewhere around there).  Be really interesting to see the kids in comparison to each other, but of course I won't have anything for DS for probably another 2 mos. 

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mag bowel tolerance affecting poop?  I quoted the first to ask about normal tolerance.  I can't seem to give ds much of anything, and I don't know if my view is just warped.  about 30mg natural calm will give him runny poop.  At 9mo is that just normal?

 

And the cavities are looking worse, even just a couple days later.  I'm FREAKING OUT.  I need to stop this, NOW.  today.  yesterday.   last week.  last month.  cell salts, xylitol, butter, marrow, vit D, broth, what else can I do? clay?  all direct to him. avoid fruit?  And what for myself?  He's also biting everything and grinding his teeth.  I'm sure my stress is just depleting milk nutrients and making it worse, too.  SUCKS.


Seems too quick, and the 1st time was before any change in mag.

 

when I give ds mag, first he starts just pooping more, clearing old stuff out.  It doesn't turn watery for a while.  Dunno about that first time :(  it'd just be nice to have a normal, reasonable explanation for this time...

 

What do I know about normal 9mo kids?  DS was getting sick all the time back then and I was giving him about 10 grams of vitC/day all winter and that was my normal.  Yeah, not so much. 

 

Ok... we need to figure out a plan for the teeth.  Something about dental issues IS more stressful than other stuff.  First, what did Elisabeth say?  I will think while at my DO's appt for the kids and then we can all brainstorm (here or on FB, whichever you prefer--I just didn't jump in on that, saw lots of other good ideas).  Hugs!

 

Yes.  brainstorm, a plan.  I'm going to my mom's tonight, so will be MIA.  I think I'll do a thread, get more input.  Hope I can get it together before dd needs more attention.  poor dd.  and thank goodness she's getting good/happy with entertaining herself!  I wish I could play with her more.  

 

I LOVE the conference call idea that we've been talking about off and on for years now...  Even just a time of day and anyone who wants/needs to could call in like the old party lines.  I relate to people completely differently when I can hear a voice/see a picture/meet in person.  Seems more real, yk?  What time would be good to say?  And do it an every day thing, a once a week thing, a once a month thing?  More frequent seems better to me, and no pressure to call in, just support/chatting for anyone who needs it and is available.  Ooh, it could be like the bat signal, give a shout out when anyone wants to set one up :).
 

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hug2.gif Shannon

Tanya- I read the bread recipe first, and now it makes much more sense. lol.gif So did you guys end up filling up your spit jars and sending them in? I'm really impatiently waiting for results.......


DH, DD and I filled ours, DS's is still sitting there.  Maybe I can get him to fill it tonight, that would be great.  I was going to break down soon and just order the swab, but I don't want to pay more, yk?  So I'm hoping he makes enough spit now.  The 4-6 weeks should be coming up pretty soon (was it 6-8 or 4-6?  I think I sent it in around Dec 10? no idea why I remember that date, but somewhere around there).  Be really interesting to see the kids in comparison to each other, but of course I won't have anything for DS for probably another 2 mos. 


Just checked the email they sent dh - 6-8 weeks plus up to an extra 2 weeks if you gave them a tough sample to work with.  The lab had dh's dec 9, so maaaaaaybe by the end of next week?  and definitely by the end of the month?

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My heart flip-flopped when you said you were moving to Edmonton, CS! :p Don't do that to me!

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Sorry JR. lol.gif

Yeah- 6-8 weeks... and they received ours on Dec 11th (because it got lost in the mail for a week. grr.) I'm REALLY anxious to get the results!!

I wish I had a camera/mic on my desktop, because then I could Skype with people! And you can do a conference call on that, right? I do have a mic/camera on my laptop... but my hard drive is fried. Need to get to Fry's and buy a new one.
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Sorry JR. lol.gif

Yeah- 6-8 weeks... and they received ours on Dec 11th (because it got lost in the mail for a week. grr.) I'm REALLY anxious to get the results!!

I wish I had a camera/mic on my desktop, because then I could Skype with people! And you can do a conference call on that, right? I do have a mic/camera on my laptop... but my hard drive is fried. Need to get to Fry's and buy a new one.


I have skype and a camera.
 

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There's skype, with or without video, and there's the conference call thing pat found which is just a phone call (it's in my post on fb)

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I have skype and a camera.
 

me too! (not that I could add much to the conversation other than a pretty face wild.gif <-------------------- that's my pretty face lol)
 

 

J slept 7 hours last night (waking about 500 times during those 7 hours) and is incredibly tough to deal with today. Fussy, tantrummy, "violent" (headbutting, biting, etc). I REALLY need to figure out what's causing this.

It sucks, because we got out most of the eczema triggers- it's barely noticable to me, and probably nobody else would see it even if I pointed it out. And now we have apparently added something that either messes with his belly (which messes with his sleep), or directly messes with his sleep. So my new goal is to track that down.

 

Dp is...ugh. He's depressed and moody, and keeps talking about us breaking up. I'm basically doing what I can to stay together for the kids. I always said it was no good to stay together for the kids, but in our situation, I really think it's best for them if we do. We parent well together, we very rarely fight, and he's a fantastic dad- involved, loving, does lots of stuff with them. So in addition to the stress of trying to figure out the boys' food issues, I have to change how I am for our relationship to work. Which is ok. I'd rather change how I am than be a single working mom. And I'd move to Ohio (it's where my family is), and I really think the boys are better off being here in BC. 

But anyway, he's depressed and moody, and last night he was going on and on about he has a gut feeling there's something "more" wrong with J. More than just the breathing problems when he gets a cold, and allergies. His voice was calm and everything, but he still sounded...a bit hysterical or something. It was wierd.

 

Ok, I gotta go protect my 6yo from being beat up by my 18mo. sigh. 


Edited by DevaMajka - 1/12/11 at 6:28pm
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Alright. You guys have to wait for me to buy a new hard drive and install it. orngtongue.gif
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Sorry JR. lol.gif

Yeah- 6-8 weeks... and they received ours on Dec 11th (because it got lost in the mail for a week. grr.) I'm REALLY anxious to get the results!!

I wish I had a camera/mic on my desktop, because then I could Skype with people! And you can do a conference call on that, right? I do have a mic/camera on my laptop... but my hard drive is fried. Need to get to Fry's and buy a new one.

 

CS, our samples are racing to the finish line against each other, ours arrived Dec 11 too. 

 

Becky--mood issues are totally a health thing for me.  I don't know how your DH would feel about experimenting with stuff for his own health (or finding a helpful HCP?), but it's tough to be depressed and it's tough to be with someone who's depressed.  And, well, health stuff that does one thing in an adult does a different (but usually equally challenging) thing in that person's kids, yk?  Totally no fair.  Hugs. 

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But anyway, he's depressed and moody, and last night he was going on and on about he has a gut feeling there's something "more" wrong with J. More than just the breathing problems when he gets a cold, and allergies. His voice was calm and everything, but he still sounded...a bit hysterical or something. It was wierd.

 

Ok, I gotta go protect my 6yo from being beat up by my 18mo. sigh. 


Thought I missed an entire post, but then saw you edited after I last posted. hug2.gif Maybe he's just getting really worried about your DS? I tend to go in and out of (inner) hysterics and I tend to get really moody at times, because I don't really have a way to express how crazy frustrated/depressed/anxious I am to DP... I mean, he's heard it all before from me, so it's hard to explain why exactly I'm feeling more stressed than normal on that particular day... not sure that makes any sense, but I can definitely commiserate with that anxious feeling that you're describing. Maybe it would help him to take some responsibility for the food detective work or something? I know that DP feels really helpless sometimes because I'm the one doing all the research, making the doctor appointment, etc and then just giving him directions of what to do/not to do. (Of course he could always get off his ass and read a book himself... but that's another thread. orngtongue.gif)

Blah. Trying to get some work done tonight, and listening to Hypnobabies at the same time. Not a great combination. lol.gif
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Oh, I forgot to mention that he's a musician. He fits the stereotype as far as being moody and never happy with himself/his work. And he's a Scorpio- the sensitive type. I'm an Aries and the opposite of sensitive. He works from home.

He never says no to me- sounds good on the surface, but in reality it sucks. If he's in the middle of doing something (working on a song or his website) and I yell down, he'll stop and do what I want. He can't say anything like "I'm in the middle of something, can it wait?" even though I've told him I'd appreciate if he'd do that. Then once he stops, he can't get back to it, and that depresses him. He's a wierd type of workahlic. I've spent so long (9 years) just assuming he was a big boy and would tell me if it wasn't convenient (I'd tell him), even though really I knew better. But no. So now I guess I have to not ever ask him for help, unless I can see that he's not busy (and even then, he might be headed to do something). I dunno. It would just be way easier for me if he weren't a doormat.

And then there's the sex drive difference. (Any supps for that? I need to get my sex drive up- our relationship honestly depends on it).

 

I shouldn't complain. I have a comfy life. He grocery shops, he never says a word about the state of the house- if it bothers him, he cleans it. He agrees with me on most parenting things. It's nice.

 

I think he is worried about J, too. But there's a lot more than that too.

 

He might take supps, but I'd have to remind him daily. He's sort of anti-supp in a wierd sort of way. I think he almost likes being depressed. (I was depressed as a teen, and as wierd as it sounds, it felt sort of comfortable)

 

gg

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huh. Something interesting. I was going through my journal, looking for something to explain how bad ds's sleep is now, compared to before. I noticed that wwhen there was a clump of good days that I'd given him b12. I never heard anything about b12 and sleep, but when you google it, it sounds promising! I gave J some b12 this evening- so we'll see if it helps tonight or tomorrow. I thought I'd share the info, in case anyone else didn't know smile.gif

 

The other thing I noticed- we had mustard every day that he ended up with a red area from his scrotum to his crack. Could it be mustard (or a spice in the mustard)? Seems wierd, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.

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Oh, I forgot to mention that he's a musician. He fits the stereotype as far as being moody and never happy with himself/his work. And he's a Scorpio- the sensitive type. I'm an Aries and the opposite of sensitive. He works from home.



He never says no to me- sounds good on the surface, but in reality it sucks. If he's in the middle of doing something (working on a song or his website) and I yell down, he'll stop and do what I want. He can't say anything like "I'm in the middle of something, can it wait?" even though I've told him I'd appreciate if he'd do that. Then once he stops, he can't get back to it, and that depresses him. He's a wierd type of workahlic. I've spent so long (9 years) just assuming he was a big boy and would tell me if it wasn't convenient (I'd tell him), even though really I knew better. But no. So now I guess I have to not ever ask him for help, unless I can see that he's not busy (and even then, he might be headed to do something). I dunno. It would just be way easier for me if he weren't a doormat.



And then there's the sex drive difference. (Any supps for that? I need to get my sex drive up- our relationship honestly depends on it).



 



I shouldn't complain. I have a comfy life. He grocery shops, he never says a word about the state of the house- if it bothers him, he cleans it. He agrees with me on most parenting things. It's nice.



 



I think he is worried about J, too. But there's a lot more than that too.



 



He might take supps, but I'd have to remind him daily. He's sort of anti-supp in a wierd sort of way. I think he almost likes being depressed. (I was depressed as a teen, and as wierd as it sounds, it felt sort of comfortable)



 



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I worry about dd in a way that has people looking at me like I'm crazy. I see me in her in certain ways, or else I'm afraid of seeing myself in her. I was a difficult kid growing up, and looking back, there were definitely mood and sensory issues. I'm also creative, stubborn, indecisive about some stuff and absolutely insistent on other random stuff, and have a strong sense of these personality traits define me, don't talk to me about changing them. Lately, with me exploring neurotransmitters and glutathione, my world is completely changing. So much of the mood and sensory and creativity and even personality stuff is neurotransmitter related, and I've done a fair bit to (for?) myself with nutrients. Talking about it makes me, my mom, dh worry about turning yourself into a different person. When I started glutathione and pb's magic drainage remedy, it's like all of a sudden I was 'fixed'. I'm still struggling with how to describe it, but it's like all my intensity, need for attention, stubbornness and whatnot was my way of saying 'come, fix me, something's not right. And don't tell me you can identify the problem and fix it, cause I don't believe you and it just won't be enough, there's still going to be something missing'. And then suddenly it WAS fixed and everything was amazingly fantastic. The combo of stuff (psychologically, nutritionally, detoxingly, energetically?) was spot on for the first time and it was like this huge sigh of relief that I didn't need this internal struggle anymore. Things really were finally settling into place.

All that to say, maybe dp knows something about what's going on with J more than you do, knows that its serious, and that it's bringing all sorts of stuff to the surface for himself and he's not ready to deal with it? I wonder if you could quietly work on him (dp) with just food, stuff like folate and such, then try and talk him into talking with a healer himself? He probably intuitively knows that the same neurotransmitters that make him depressed are intimately related to the ones for inspiration and creativity. Losing the depression, if it means losing the creativity but not making it quite all the way to the grand slam of feeling BETTER could seem devastating.

And so much of the rest of your posts - I'm a Scorpio, too. Dh needs daily reminders to take any vitamins (and has minor issues with swallowing pills), he doesn't say no and doesn't ask for help.

B12 was a big one for sleep for janeS, I think. The connection was maybe methyl groups for converting serotonin to melatonin?
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Was beginning to think my 18mo was the only one beating up older siblings.

:hugs DevaMajka. First thing that pops into my head for DP is vitamin D. I concur with Shannon(?) that he's probably concerned with losing his creativity. That was a huge concern of mine. And I did for a while, but that had less to do with losing the depression than with having no energy from the thyroid problems... Interestingly, I'm an Aries with libido issues myself... I'm finding that "personal work" (working on making myself feel better about me) is helping some. DP and I have the same sexual compatability issues you're describing, although my issues may be different than yours.

Tired. Going to go lay on the couch until DS3 wakes up for milk (he wakes up if we go into the bedroom and lay on the bed).

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Thats the part I forgot. Low dopamine can cause low libido.

Dd had strawberry ice cream, chocolate ice cream, raw milk, blueberry yogurt and peach yogurt today (yesterday?). She was grumpy all afternoon, just came out of it for dinner, and has already woken up 2 or 3 times in the 4 hours she's been asleep. Do I pull all dairy, start experimenting with the different classes (cow, goat, raw, fermented, etc), or start throwing nutrients at her? I'm going to be tired in the morning...
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I feel really lame, but I am just now figuring out how to paste nifty quotes from everyone in those gray boxes...except how do you get the "originally posted by ____" to show up?

Hope I'm not breaking chat protocol or etiquette anywhere...  

 

The Skype idea sounds really great!  I would not have a lot of information to contribute, but it is easier for me to absorb things when I can see someone speaking as opposed to reading on the computer (which I think is triggering my migraines?).  I've never been heavy duty on the chemistry side, although it's something I want to be...anyway, sitting in on a call, conference style or video camera Skype style would be a neat change, and I'd like to join.

 

Changingseasons---Yay for March babies! Me too!  Completely unrelated to FA's...how do you like Hypnobabies?  Concerned I'll be taken for C/S if VBAC doesn't progress on the hospital's timetable, and I am terrified of needles.  Terrified of even the heplock.  Thinking a coping method or something like Hypnobabies might work.  I haven't taken the plunge because it looks pricey...

 

DevaMajka---Just wanted to say sorry for what you're going through.  Haven't been there exactly, but I remember the sleepless eczema months...how ILs were very dismissive of the entire food allergy issue.  DS1 is 2.6 and still wakes up a lot at night some nights. Still trying to note trends and still have a hard time with it...that's not exactly encouraging!  Sorry!  Just wanted to say I can empathize...

 

KJBrown

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When I go to the dentist, we bring our own toothpaste to use as the cleaner/polisher (they add a little pumice to it for extra polishing) and my kids don't get flouride. But other than that, I don't know. Do they have any other thoughts about what might be causing the heartbeat thing? I'm sure they have protocols for pregnancy. There's also cell salts for teeth stuff, but I don't know what they are.

 

Thank you for this tip.  I honestly hadn't thought of bringing my own and, yes, I was concerned about fluoride.

I saw the perinatologist and briefly a pediatric cardiologist who just so happened to be in the hallway -- neither went into the "why" of it.  I had a hard time focusing because DS1 was with me and had to poop right when I was going to ask questions.  They think Baby has Premature Arterial Contractions (PAC's) but they never got a good look at her valve, which is the scary part, so we'll be monitored weekly from here on out...Also some talk about her heart looking bigger on one side than the other...Everything was perfect two weeks ago.  Then to hear no sort of steadiness to her beat and no pattern to it either was just shocking.  I sometimes blame myself and my diet -- like, maybe I was depriving her of something she needed because I was not eating DS's allergens...IDK.  Anyway, OB and doctors are saying not to worry about it, but of course, I am!  

 

In addition to ruling out dental issues, I'm concerned I may have Pre-e (my heart has been racing lately, seeing lots of non-migraine-related spots), though I never had that with DS1.  Also thinking maybe I should not have skipped that GD test after all...

 

Anyway, sorry for rambling. It's 3:40am and I should sleep soon...

 

 

Tanyalynn

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Capsgirl--yeah, that sounds stressful.  I don't know about the products dentists' put in peoples' mouths, maybe just plan to arrive early and read product info?  In your situation, if there's infection under an amalgam filling, you'll get less mercury into you by pulling the tooth rather than drilling out the amalgam and putting in composite.  Taking out amalgams isn't just a pop 'em out process, there's drilling and junk--not saying you have to make that decision, but just so you know what your trade-offs are.  In terms of "if it's a nasty massive infection..." I'd assume antibiotics (just cause it sounds widespread and you're on a clock and more vulnerable than usual) then tons of probiotics to get you back in a better place... no other fancy ideas are coming to mind. 

 

I don't know if babies can have arrhythmias if mom is low on magnesium, I know I had some heartbeat irregularities that seem to be completely gone now that I'm caught up on mag, I've heard the same from other people.  But baby?  Not sure if that's possible.  Maybe cell salts to help absorption/utilization and some mag, just to rule it out as you go through checking on other stuff?  Panserbjorne has sucrose-based cell salts if you can't even do the lactose in the regular ones; some dairy free people can, some can't, but she can set you up, and there's stuff to take to help at the end of pregnancy too, help support you through it. 

 

I know it's hard to keep up in Chat, even if you can't, let us know what you find out? 

 

 

Thank you so much!  Good advice re pulling vs drilling.  Had no idea about that.  I had the probiotics thought too, so it's reassuring to hear that someone else here would suggest it. Even though I hate the bad stuff antibiotics does.

 

Interesting about the mag.  Glad you are doing better because of it!  Cardiac issues always make me nervous...Will reexamine my mag intake...I just pop my prenatal and DHA and am usually done with it.  Sometimes I'll do B12 if I think we all need it...

 

I may need to contact Panserbjorne as we avoid lactose, too, and I haven't experimented with whether it's ok for us or not...Also, what exactly are cell salts?  It doesn't sound like something I could pick up at Whole Foods...but maybe it is?  I always imagine epsom salts, which we do for DS1 for mag.  Will do more Googling tomorrow...

 

My dentist appt is in two days (on Friday) so I will definitely check back in and try to keep up in the meantime!

Hope all's well.

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