Jumping January 2011 Chat Thread - Page 14

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Ok, glucose smart mamas (cough*Shannon*cough)- HELP!

What does it mean if my blood glucose goes *down* after a meal? Admittedly, it wasn't a very carby meal, but I did have a big glass of juice with it (Odwalla Superfood, ~25g sugar/30g carb.). I tested 1 hour after eating. My fasting test this morning was 104 (slightly out of the healthy 'normal' range), and after breakfast it was 96/93 (I tested twice).

And then I tested DD, which was a little more than an hour after she ate. She had eaten some honey about 10 minutes before, but from what I've read that shouldn't affect blood sugar so quickly. Her first reading was a 147, so I retested and got 167!

wth?

When was the 147?  In the morning/evening?  after eating or on an empty stomach?  were you stressed?  eating food triggers?  try taking your blood sugar for a few days, fasting in the morning, and after various meals, and you'll get a feel for what it's doing.  You can also play with when you take it after a meal, 45 minutes, an hour, two hours after.

I'd blame the honey and retest dd later.

I think the 147 was around 4pm. And yes, eating food triggers I believe. Would that mess with blood sugar?

Today, my fasting rate was 104, then after breakfast it was 96/93 (1 hour) and 86 (2 hour). After a carb-y lunch it was 119 (1 hour).

And yeah- I'm blaming the honey now, because we just rechecked her and it was 88. But still- 147 is a pretty high spike, isn't it? What I'm reading is that a healthy person should *never* go over 140 (and not over 120, ideally.) Maybe she just had some honey on her finger where I poked it.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Originally Posted by Theloose 

When was the 147?  In the morning/evening?  after eating or on an empty stomach?  were you stressed?  eating food triggers?  try taking your blood sugar for a few days, fasting in the morning, and after various meals, and you'll get a feel for what it's doing.  You can also play with when you take it after a meal, 45 minutes, an hour, two hours after.

I'd blame the honey and retest dd later.

 

 

Yeah, my highest reading was when I probably had milk on my finger.  Slightly freaked me out, but after a shower, it was back to low-normal.

I can name at least one person who figured out her (type 1) son's food triggers by watching his blood sugar.  Trigger food -> stress -> cortisol -> higher blood sugar.

As for it going down after breakfast, think of your pancreas as an insulin bucket that does most of it's refilling overnight.  Over the course of the day, if you use up all your insulin (due to carbs or overreacting like leigh said) then carbs are going to have more and more of an effect.  and then, if you get to be in bad shape, you might not be able to refill all the way overnight and you end up with high fasting glucose.  I think bloodsugar101.com is the site to read more.
 

[DevaMajka]

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

K has an allergist appt today- wish us luck that we have a good allergist! If I like him, I'll get J referred to him too, instead of waiting a year for his appt at Children's.

aargh. The doctor's office that referred us (and made the appointment) sent us to an ear nose throat doctor instead of an allergist. "Allergist" was listed right on the referral form. grrr. Dp called and they were really apologetic, and are making us an appt with an actual allergist now. The ENT guy said that K should be seen by an allergist. Ok...good to know. lol

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

Kathy- sorry about the boobs, but yay on your dh apoligizing. That has to ease at least some of the stress for you.

Dp pointed out something last night- J has a little potbelly, which I knew and just assumed it was because he was gaining weight. But he also pointed out that you can see J's ribs when he stands up straight, which I hadn't noticed (he very rarely stands still!)

Does this stand out to anyone as a "symptom" of anything? My mind goes straight to wheat, but I have no idea why. It's not anything we've suspected thus far, but most of our detective work has been in relation to his eczema, not his digestive stuff.

And J's tantrums and fits were off the charts yesterday. Every little thing. Man, I gotta figure this stuff out.

K has an allergist appt today- wish us luck that we have a good allergist! If I like him, I'll get J referred to him too, instead of waiting a year for his appt at Children's.

You're not off gluten yet? 

We were off gluten for 6 weeks when I first started ED'ing (January of last year), then another time or two since then. This was when the main problem was his eczema. His eczema actually improved when we added bread back on two different times. So since it isn't a eczema trigger, and that's what we had been focusing on, it wasn't on the "suspect" list. At least until it occurred to me that it could be a problem digestion-wise.
 

Originally Posted by Sandrine 

I was gone yesterday and am trying to catchup with all the post i missed.   I went out of town to see a urologist for my referal. It went well. The roads were clear(I live north where the roads can be full of snow and hard to pass.)

The appt went well. I'm to have a u/s once the baby is here and then I will have a tele/video conference with him at the beginning of April to discuss what the next steps will be. I'm taking this as a sign that I need to start taking care of me better and that's what I will do. I was on the right path when I got pg but then got sidetracked. So for the next 2mths at least, I will relax, care for me and the girls and maybe take the time to clean and declutter my house. ;) but if that's not done, I won't panic. LOL

Definitely relax and take care of you! Enjoy it :) 

[changingseasons]

aargh. The doctor's office that referred us (and made the appointment) sent us to an ear nose throat doctor instead of an allergist. "Allergist" was listed right on the referral form. grrr. Dp called and they were really apologetic, and are making us an appt with an actual allergist now. The ENT guy said that K should be seen by an allergist. Ok...good to know. lol

Oh no- how frustrating! How long do you have to wait to see the allergist now?

[kjbrown92]

Eeeek. So the brown rice bread was only half the price at Trader Joe's as it was at the big grocery store in the next town where I bought it a couple weeks ago. So I bought 3 loaves and stuck 2 in the freezer. So tonight, DS had 3 turkey sandwiches, DD2 had her turkey burger on it, and I made 2 grilled peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (palm shortening, peter pan peanut butter, and safe jelly my mother made). Right after I finished eating (about 6:30) , my face felt all flushed. then I started feeling itchy. So I scratched up near my neck. And felt around on my back to see if it felt like bumps or anything (since DD2 has had the bumps on her for a couple of weeks, no change) then said it was driving me crazy and asked DH to look at my back. He said "holy crap, what have you been doing?" And I said I was itching near my neck. And he said go look in the mirror. I have red welts all over my back. Looks like I was whipped with something - are those hives? That's what DS's back looked like last spring when he rolled in the grass. So I just downed a couple of benadryl. I've never had this reaction to a food. what's the most likely suspect - the corn in the bread? it's only xanthan gum. And I've been having the Sierra Mist (with the citric acid) for about a month now with no problems. I hope the benadryl works fast. I'm horribly itchy. This is itchier than when I had the reaction to the abx. So not liking this.

[changingseasons]

Yep- sounds like hives to me! And it's the same bread that you've been using? Strange. What's with all the mystery hives around here this week?!

[kjbrown92]

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Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Yep- sounds like hives to me! And it's the same bread that you've been using? Strange. What's with all the mystery hives around here this week?!

We had one loaf of it a couple of weeks ago (Food for Life I think is the brand) and I had maybe 3 slices of it then. And we had tacos with rice tortillas (which were gross) that had xanthan gum in them. So it doesn't seem likely that it's the corn. Just called my mother. She said if it had a "9" on the top, which it did, she made it in 2009, before she figured out the safe ones for us. So it's got either Certo or Sure-Jell in it. I'm going to go look at ingredients.

water, fruit pectic, lactic acid (which apparently is usually made from beet or corn sugar), citric acid (more corn), potassium citrate, sodium benzoate.

I've never had hives before. I'm freaking out about it. I mean, I used to get a blotchy neck when I had to speak in front of a group, but big red welts all over me? uh. no. how do you guys deal with this all the time? do I have to go back to an allergist? I so don't want to do that.

[changingseasons]

I only get hives from abx, and they suck. But yeah- I'd go to an allergist and see what they say. Might be that your system is just worn down and over-reactive right now, and hopefully it won't be something that sticks around long-term.

What about the sodium benzoate? Have you had that in a while?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

We were off gluten for 6 weeks when I first started ED'ing (January of last year), then another time or two since then. This was when the main problem was his eczema. His eczema actually improved when we added bread back on two different times. So since it isn't a eczema trigger, and that's what we had been focusing on, it wasn't on the "suspect" list. At least until it occurred to me that it could be a problem digestion-wise.

Ooh, ooh, go check the links in the choline wiki.  Wheat has a bunch of choline and betaine, which can help methylation.  Are you eating eggs?  Do you have other methylation symptoms?

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

I've never had hives before. I'm freaking out about it. I mean, I used to get a blotchy neck when I had to speak in front of a group, but big red welts all over me? uh. no. how do you guys deal with this all the time? do I have to go back to an allergist? I so don't want to do that.

If (when?) I see hives over here, I'm going to be freaking out just like that.  Sorry, I have no clue.  I think I vote being run down on nutrients from the massive load of healing you've been doing lately.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

I only get hives from abx, and they suck. But yeah- I'd go to an allergist and see what they say. Might be that your system is just worn down and over-reactive right now, and hopefully it won't be something that sticks around long-term.

What about the sodium benzoate? Have you had that in a while?

We were avoiding sodium benzoate for a while because both kids had reacted to it on the ALCAT. But they've both had it in the last year, so I must have had it too. My mother isn't even sure which she used so I don't even know the exact ingredients. The powder has one set of ingredients, and the liquid has another. It figures... there's like 20 jars of jelly in the basement that are safe, and I got the ONE stinkin' jar that wasn't safe - my mother said she had given it to me for DH and DD1 so they wouldn't eat the safe jelly. But hello, it wasn't marked. Argh. Just tell me it wasn't the peanut butter. And look, it's a new year, so a whole new deductible, which means it's all out of pocket. It's just been one of those days. From the moment I woke up. Though I did get a lot done. And I even got some shirts for DD2 for next year for Christmas. They were on clearance for $2.50 each. When will this itching stop?!?!??
 

[tanyalynn]

Whoa, Kathy, how scary, and uncomfortable!  I hope it stops soon--um, more benadryl?  I guess you don't want to OD, I wonder how much margin is built into the dosing guidelines? 

I was just going to check in with my mundane life.  Shadow's home from the vet, with a dripping drain (a mix of clear liquid and blood), and that's probably going to keep going for 36 hrs.  Yeah, he's confined to a small space and not happy about it.  The vet sent off a couple chunks of tissue to a pathology place, the tissue looked really weird, but she said it could just be because of the pressure of the seroma, but she's totally unclear about how/why this thing formed (she threw out guess #1) so she's a bit worried.  I think it'll come back fine, maybe I should be more worried but so far, I'm not. 

I am back to feeling un-productive and a bit overwhelmed by daily life.  On the plus side, I've been more patient and mellow, but on the downside--my kitchen.  And my coffee table, and my dining room table, nevermind the floors. 

Not keeping up well, being out of the house so much yesterday and today, will try to go back.  Reading with interest, and hugs for the difficult things. 

[Sandrine]

((hugs))) Kathy

[DevaMajka]

Tanya- yay for being more patient and mellow! Poor Shadow, all confined to one place :( It sucks, because animals have no idea why we're doing all this uncool stuff to them, kwim?

Shiloh had to be (still is, mostly) confined to our room because her moving around kept pulling her stitches out. And to protect her from J. She got used to it pretty fast. What she hates most is the cone. She HATES that thing. But every time it's off, even for just a minute, she messes with her stitches. We can't chance them coming out again- the skin is pulled so tight, there's not much left to stitch back up.
 

Kathy- yikes!! What's with all the hives reactions around here lately? Geez! That sucks. I'm with Theloose (sorry, I'm awful at names)- my vote would be something like it's a combo of the stress your body is under, plus whatever food. I'd probably go see an allergist, but be prepared to not be allergic to anything.

I had a weird allergic reaction a few months ago. A rash on my hand, wrist and torso that itched. It kept up until I cut out what I thought were the 3 possible suspects (it was about a week). It went away, I went to an allergist, and came up mildly allergic to dust and nothing else. And I've eaten those 3 foods since with no reaction. So I have no idea what it was about!

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

We were off gluten for 6 weeks when I first started ED'ing (January of last year), then another time or two since then. This was when the main problem was his eczema. His eczema actually improved when we added bread back on two different times. So since it isn't a eczema trigger, and that's what we had been focusing on, it wasn't on the "suspect" list. At least until it occurred to me that it could be a problem digestion-wise.

Ooh, ooh, go check the links in the choline wiki.  Wheat has a bunch of choline and betaine, which can help methylation.  Are you eating eggs?  Do you have other methylation symptoms?

Originally Posted by kjbrown92 

I've never had hives before. I'm freaking out about it. I mean, I used to get a blotchy neck when I had to speak in front of a group, but big red welts all over me? uh. no. how do you guys deal with this all the time? do I have to go back to an allergist? I so don't want to do that.

If (when?) I see hives over here, I'm going to be freaking out just like that.  Sorry, I have no clue.  I think I vote being run down on nutrients from the massive load of healing you've been doing lately.

Veeeerrrrrryyyyy interesting on the choline. I assumed it was because we started eating less of something when we started the bread, but this is really interesting just from a quick google. I'm not sure what methylation symptoms are, and I don't seem to be googling for the right thing. Do you know any articles that might help? Or a few symptoms?

No eggs- we think (thought?) eggs are a trigger for J's eczema.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by Theloose 


What's the dosing of the ferr phos? And when do you switch to nat mur?Is ds full up on mag? Methylation? For dd, the overloaded nighttime diaper was mag, carpets and folate. Bandaid, trigger and detox pathway.

Do you mean, giving more mag and folate, and getting rid of carpets?  And that helped with nighttime wetting?

[momofmine]

deditus,

I am glad you got over that reaction quickly, that does not sound fun.  I hope you figured out what it was.  You mentioned the wheat in the car.  The interesting thing to me about these reactions is that, for me at least, I feel like now I almost have more of a reaction to foods that I have cut out.  For example, I used to eat wheat all the time, ate it my whole life, etc, only stopped eating it because I went on the SCD for my kids.  But now, if I cheat and have some wheat, I break out in itchy rashes in random places, or have all kind of other symptoms that I never had before from eating wheat.

[momofmine]

Sorry if I am backtracking everyone here, trying to catch up with you guys again....
 

Originally Posted by changingseasons 

Originally Posted by tanyalynn 

CS, do you have cell salts that your DD tolerates?  Ferr phos for the beginning of illnesses. 

CS--do you have a .edu email addy?  Amazon has student amazon prime shipping, it's for college-level students, not quite sure what the requirements are beyond the .edu email addy, but hey, it's free amazon prime shipping.  I haven't checked the details, a friend posted the link on her page but neither DH nor I are taking classes now. 

I have a few left.  I gave her some calc sulph, because that was the one that sounded most like her cough, and some bioplasma.  I made her some ginger/honey tea too, and she had some pretty bad poop- not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing (reaction) for the ginger?

I don't have an .edu email.  But I did sign up for the free Prime trial so that I could get my books tomorrow!  Because I realized that with the CE classes, your class starts as soon as you pay- so my class officially started yesterday.... and I have no books.  And 5 weeks to complete the class.  

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Ooh, are there salts for wild, crazy, out of control hyper followed by screaming irrational anger?  At least the anger half was at home, not at the store today.

YES- the phosphate blend!!!  Not specifically for those things, but a great mood stabilizer overall.  I've seen definite improvements in myself with that blend.  

Got up early this morning... trying to get some work done before DD wakes up... better get back to that.  

What's the phosphate blend?

CS, are you doing the lactose free cell salts that PB has?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

Originally Posted by Theloose 

Originally Posted by DevaMajka 

We were off gluten for 6 weeks when I first started ED'ing (January of last year), then another time or two since then. This was when the main problem was his eczema. His eczema actually improved when we added bread back on two different times. So since it isn't a eczema trigger, and that's what we had been focusing on, it wasn't on the "suspect" list. At least until it occurred to me that it could be a problem digestion-wise.

Ooh, ooh, go check the links in the choline wiki.  Wheat has a bunch of choline and betaine, which can help methylation.  Are you eating eggs?  Do you have other methylation symptoms?

 

Veeeerrrrrryyyyy interesting on the choline. I assumed it was because we started eating less of something when we started the bread, but this is really interesting just from a quick google. I'm not sure what methylation symptoms are, and I don't seem to be googling for the right thing. Do you know any articles that might help? Or a few symptoms?

No eggs- we think (thought?) eggs are a trigger for J's eczema.

the big ones are histamine reactions/environmental allergies, estrogen dominance.  The new one is drooly baby.  I can find more later if you want.

[momofmine]

Don't know why they went down before, just don't know.  He has a chronic Strep A infection so the going theory is that the Strep A is impacting his adenoids b/c he is constantly fighting a low level infection.  IF we can kick the Strep A (big IF) then supposedly the adenoids will go down.  However, we've been treating the Strep A for 7 weeks now and there is little to no change.  And it gets much worse when he gets a cold.  The ND said to give the treatment another 3 weeks and then we'll do a blood test to see if its been effective on the Strep A or not.  If its been effective but the adenoids are still enlarged then we'll know the adenoids are something else.

At this point, I would have no way to figure out what he might be allergic to.  He's been muscle tested by the ND & the chiro and the biggest thing they came up with is Soy.  And we don't eat soy.  So I have no idea what to remove.

And at this point we're all tired so its going to be a race to see if the adenoids resolve before we decide he needs to have them out b/c he can't breath and isn't sleeping well & isn't growing.

chlobo, what treatment are you doing for the chronic infection?  How did you know that was the issue?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine 

Originally Posted by Theloose 


What's the dosing of the ferr phos? And when do you switch to nat mur?Is ds full up on mag? Methylation? For dd, the overloaded nighttime diaper was mag, carpets and folate. Bandaid, trigger and detox pathway.

Do you mean, giving more mag and folate, and getting rid of carpets?  And that helped with nighttime wetting?

She was drenching 100% of the time.  Giving mag got her dry at night.  Then getting rid of the carpets made her not need the mag to stay dry.  But if we slowed down on the folate over the next few months, she would start wetting again.  I think it must have been antimony in the carpets blocking her from using her mag, and the folate (and b12) was used to clear the antimony.  Now she's fine (a year+ later, at age 4) but I still give her potty breaks at night if she wakes up, just in case.

[tanyalynn]

Shannon, how long did it take after you upped the mag to see a difference in the night-wetting?  Last night, he was drenched, but maybe that's just extra activity/extra fluid late in the day.  Today is day 3 of extra mag, 200-300mg beyond the 110 that he's been getting forever (well, like I said, it used to be more in the past).  I've been wondering if something's just a bit off with him, really subtle, and of course I've fiddled with several things lately (didn't someone mention that probiotics taken when someone was taking digestive enzymes were a lot more powerful/effective than taking them before the digestive enzymes? -- wondered if I was seeing a bit of something in both kids once they started sucking down the new batch of kimchee). 

momofmine--the phosphate blend is Tonic E (at least that's the name for the kind with lactose), it's just a pre-made combo of the 5 cell salts that are phosphates. 

DevaM--I think it's just the first day, and being tired out, and maybe the painkillers are still in effect, but Shadow's asleep (it's just past 10pm here, he's usually awake later than this), and since I'm right here (he's on a ragged blanket next to the space heater next to our bed, I blocked off the corner), so I took the cone off since I've been right here and he's barely licked at the stitches.  Bet tomorrow's really different, and I feel bad but we need to get the cone on before we go to sleep, I don't want him tearing them out overnight.  But as the hours pass, the swelling is increasing, looks ugly.  And the stitches are supposed to stay in for 10 days, so it's 10 days of conehead.  Hopefully the dripping stops soon and he can wander wherever. 

I need to get back to basics for myself.  Earlier bedtime, more cooking--my outing tomorrow was cancelled, I'd offered to watch a friend's kids while she and her husband went to a lecture, but her husband's work schedule got changed and they can't go--some things really change your perspective, I know two people, families my kids play with, who've had serious vaccine injuries--see?  My sentence wandered wildly, but I need to get tons of sleep and then focus.  Just focus. 

Oh--and I'm experimenting with DMG with DD, since everything messes with her digestion, and now that I know she tolerates methyl B12 just fine (early on she had issues because she was low in folate cause she was ditching the chewable multivit that she didn't like), I was wondering if she'd do good with a bit more methyl support.  So far, not seeing a difference.