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Ok, I'll need to catch up later but wanted to know what everyone thinks about choline deficiency contributing my chemical reaction? Maybe why I seem to need a TON of folate to feel good. No eggs, maybe I should try egg yolks again. I tolerated them for a while in smoothies. I only get 80 mg/day of choline from Thorne B-Complex.



I just looked up sources of choline and found beef, almonds, navy beans, cauliflower, in addition to whole eggs.  Beef was the highest though.  Do you eat beef? 

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Ok, I'll need to catch up later but wanted to know what everyone thinks about choline deficiency contributing my chemical reaction? Maybe why I seem to need a TON of folate to feel good. No eggs, maybe I should try egg yolks again. I tolerated them for a while in smoothies. I only get 80 mg/day of choline from Thorne B-Complex.



I just looked up sources of choline and found beef, almonds, navy beans, cauliflower, in addition to whole eggs.  Beef was the highest though.  Do you eat beef? 


I bet it was beef liver that was high. Beef, by itself isn't particularly high. A 4 oz serving of beef liver a day would be adequate, but I obviously can't eat that everyday.

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For choline, egg yolks, wheat and liver are the highest sources by far (I think one of the masterjohn links in the wiki has a chart).  It seems like it's got to be closely related to this stuff, seeing as we're all cutting out major sources and it's so closely linked to folate.  Might be worth playing with?

 

All carotenes need to be converted to active (real) vitamin A, and your body can choose not to convert.  So the preformed A (retinol forms) is the only one you have to really worry about.  Unless you're a biochemical freak.  Like most of us are here. (I'm not that well read on the subject, but haven't heard of there ever being issues with ODing on carotenes.)

post #324 of 377
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And congratulations on your pregnancy!! For me, the protein in the morning is key. I actually just avoid grains.

Thanks! And yeah- I'm definitely going to be avoiding grains in the morning from now on. I really felt horrible this morning after that bowl of cereal. But eating it at any other time of the day seems to be fine.
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Ok ladies.  I know someone here can help me figure this out.

 

In one of the other threads (thyroid, lyme, etc) someone mentioned that they had read the Dr. Khazzarian thyroid book and actually found a practitioner who practiced that way.  They went ahead and did the immune system balancing stuff and it had made them feel better.  I can't remember who that was and I want to followup with her and see if she's still feeling good.  It might be an avenue for me to try.

 

So does anyone remember that?  I know people here are a lot better with names than I am.  Some days I am surprised I remember mine.


I'm glad to know it's not just me. I can read a book and as soon as I put it down, I can't tell you the names of the characters. Same thing with TV shows and movies. And meeting people. DH, luckily, remembers them all. I'm always calling my kids the wrong names. I wonder if it means something or if it's just the way some people's brains work.

 

I had dark circles under my eyes today, despite sleeping until 11am. I wonder if that's just leftover from the allergic reaction last night. Hope they go away soon. I look old enough without adding that to it.

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Thanks Shannon!

 

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Good lord.  How on earth did you find that?  Thank you so much.  I sent her a PM for an update.

 

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 I'm pretty sure it was a lyme thread or thyroid thread but I cannot go back and read those threads in their entirety.  They are  huge.


 

farmerjess, October chat, message 535.

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My memory is the pits.  I can be talking to someone and forget their kids name even though they play with my kid all the time.  Really sucks.

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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post

Ok ladies.  I know someone here can help me figure this out.

 

In one of the other threads (thyroid, lyme, etc) someone mentioned that they had read the Dr. Khazzarian thyroid book and actually found a practitioner who practiced that way.  They went ahead and did the immune system balancing stuff and it had made them feel better.  I can't remember who that was and I want to followup with her and see if she's still feeling good.  It might be an avenue for me to try.

 

So does anyone remember that?  I know people here are a lot better with names than I am.  Some days I am surprised I remember mine.


I'm glad to know it's not just me. I can read a book and as soon as I put it down, I can't tell you the names of the characters. Same thing with TV shows and movies. And meeting people. DH, luckily, remembers them all. I'm always calling my kids the wrong names. I wonder if it means something or if it's just the way some people's brains work.

 

I had dark circles under my eyes today, despite sleeping until 11am. I wonder if that's just leftover from the allergic reaction last night. Hope they go away soon. I look old enough without adding that to it.

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For choline, egg yolks, wheat and liver are the highest sources by far (I think one of the masterjohn links in the wiki has a chart).  It seems like it's got to be closely related to this stuff, seeing as we're all cutting out major sources and it's so closely linked to folate.  Might be worth playing with?

 

All carotenes need to be converted to active (real) vitamin A, and your body can choose not to convert.  So the preformed A (retinol forms) is the only one you have to really worry about.  Unless you're a biochemical freak.  Like most of us are here. (I'm not that well read on the subject, but haven't heard of there ever being issues with ODing on carotenes.)


ROTFLMAO.gif  I've read of kids turning orange plenty of times, one of the Weston Price articles mentioned it as a bad thing, but I don't remember why.  But it wasn't the small amount in a multi, it was a lot more.  So, if anyone's palms or eyeballs turn orange, stop.  lol.gif 

 

I have totally been on the computer too much today.  Need to get the kids' bedtime pills ready, DH will get them to bed.  I should've worked on tidying/organizing (did a little, but really, it should've been more) but instead, I will eat something for dinner (possibly contraband, I have been doing that a bit too much lately) and try to get to bed early.  I got 9 hours of sleep last night.  Wow.

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Oh yeah, deditus?  Meant to say wow.  Totally wow, completely in awe.  And darn nice too.
 

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Good lord.  How on earth did you find that?  Thank you so much.  I sent her a PM for an update.

 

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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post

 I'm pretty sure it was a lyme thread or thyroid thread but I cannot go back and read those threads in their entirety.  They are  huge.


 

farmerjess, October chat, message 535.


 
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For choline, egg yolks, wheat and liver are the highest sources by far (I think one of the masterjohn links in the wiki has a chart).  It seems like it's got to be closely related to this stuff, seeing as we're all cutting out major sources and it's so closely linked to folate.  Might be worth playing with?

 

All carotenes need to be converted to active (real) vitamin A, and your body can choose not to convert.  So the preformed A (retinol forms) is the only one you have to really worry about.  Unless you're a biochemical freak.  Like most of us are here. (I'm not that well read on the subject, but haven't heard of there ever being issues with ODing on carotenes.)


ROTFLMAO.gif  I've read of kids turning orange plenty of times, one of the Weston Price articles mentioned it as a bad thing, but I don't remember why.  But it wasn't the small amount in a multi, it was a lot more.  So, if anyone's palms or eyeballs turn orange, stop.  lol.gif 

 

I have totally been on the computer too much today.  Need to get the kids' bedtime pills ready, DH will get them to bed.  I should've worked on tidying/organizing (did a little, but really, it should've been more) but instead, I will eat something for dinner (possibly contraband, I have been doing that a bit too much lately) and try to get to bed early.  I got 9 hours of sleep last night.  Wow.



Yeah, I should have clarified, I haven't heard of ODing on vitamin A with carotenes.  When dh and I compare skin tones, I'm orange, he's green.

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No prob/ Advanced search by username. I am interested to hear how she's doing, too, especially after I read Dr. K's book and actually knew what she was talking about.
 

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Good lord.  How on earth did you find that?  Thank you so much.  I sent her a PM for an update.

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Speaking of mag, I just checked the GI Pro Child multi and it has 300 mg of mag!  It says magnesium glycinate chelate.

 

post #334 of 377

So it looks like egg is a pass for us, unless it's a buildup reaction. Is that possible with egg? We both had egg 2 days ago (morning), and again yesterday. Not only is his eczema not getting worse, it's actually improving (what teeny bit was there). His elbows are clear, his bum cheeks are just dry, there's barely a bump on his knees. Just a small patch on his shoulder.

Maybe the choline?

I guess that's good and all, but it messes up my whole idea on what could be the problem. Egg made so much sense in my journal. Now...I dunno. I'll wait another few days, and have egg a couple more times before I declare it good, just to be s ure.

 

I'm still trying b12 for the sleep (he had one good night, and one half good, half restless night on it), and started back up with all his supps to see if they help with digestion/mushy poop.

 

 

post #335 of 377
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So it looks like egg is a pass for us, unless it's a buildup reaction. Is that possible with egg?

Yes, definitely possible. I wouldn't call it a pass until you've had it for at least 4-5 days in a row.
post #336 of 377

DH says last night, when he checked on DS at 1am, his diaper was totally dry.  My fingers are crossed that he gets all the way dry with all this extra magnesium--about an extra 300 mg per day, beyond his previous 110mg.  Wow--if it's that simple, just wow.  Though... I need to see how much mag we settle on, cause he's a 4yo kid... how much extra mag is he supposed to need?  Am I missing something going on with him?  Or is it just that he's got a lot to process, biochemically?  And I guess this may throw things off because I'm re-starting the ALA/applesauce tomorrow.

 

post #337 of 377
Wow- that IS a lot of mag! I've been giving DD about 75mg the last couple days, and she always ends up with loose poop. (But one of the reasons I'm giving it is because she's suddenly just not pooping much... so it's definitely doing it's job.)
post #338 of 377
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So it looks like egg is a pass for us, unless it's a buildup reaction. Is that possible with egg?



Yes, definitely possible. I wouldn't call it a pass until you've had it for at least 4-5 days in a row.


Well, at least breakfast will be yummy for at least a few more days. lol. It's wierd though- one day that I thought he reacted to egg (in mayo) the reaction was the next day, and definitely noticable. I did read that the egg in mayo is raw, so maybe that would affect him differently? Or it wasn't the mayo at all. Which means I may have to don my detective hat...
 

post #339 of 377

Is that a lot of mag?  Because the vit we just started has 300 mg of mag, and it says for kids 4 and up.

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What do you guys think about this article?  I was reading it and thought, wow, this is great, but then at the end they basically say that there's no supporting evidence that supporting methylation does anything.  Well, they are talking specifically about autism, but it just seems very backward.  Like, they are saying why all this is important, but then saying that there's no evidence that supporting methyl groups helps.

 

http://www.peds.ufl.edu/divisions/genetics/programs/autism_card/methylation.htm

 

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