Originally Posted by JFTB1177
Originally Posted by carriebft
You have missed a lot of news then. Minnesota outbreak resulted in 3 unvaxed cases, 1 undervaxed, 1 vaxed case (immune deficieny rendered vaccine useless)- death in unvaxed child. Outbreak in southeast PA- 7 cases, all unvaccinated, 3 deaths (obviously all unvaccinated).Same year as those two outbreaks (2008 into early 2009) NY has 2 hib deaths, again, both unvaccinated-- that one didn't make the news as much as the others it seems.
I have articles for all these if you want to see them. There are others, but I think this is enough to prove that unvaccinated hib cases and deaths are the majority of the cases we see today. Yes, there are a few vaxed cases and there was even 1 vaccinated death in 2008, but the majority are in unvaccinated (followed by undervaccinated)
Couldn't agree more!! How about the Pertussis outbreak in CA not too long ago- I think all deaths were nonvaccinated babies. Yes, I agree that newborns shouldn't be given like 5 or more vaccines at once, that is why we do a delayed schedule. But some vaccines are very important.
As far as MMR, I have boys so the mumps part is important to me as it can cause sterility in males.
All deaths were babies who were too young to be fully vaccinated anyway, and were children of immigrant families, likely exposed to heavy amounts of pesticides. And 10 deaths out of several thousand cases - while tragic, as infant deaths always are - is hardly catastrophic from an epidemic standpoint.
From the MacMillan Guide to Family Health 1982:
"Mumps is a common infectious disease caused by a virus. After an incubation period of 2-4 weeks the salivary glands swell, the parotid gland (just in front of the ear) is particularly infected. Swelllings are usually accompanied by a raised temperature and a general feeling of illness. It is probably the most common childhood infectious disease but not as contagious as measles.
A fairly common risk of mumps is the swelling of testes in a boy or the ovaries in a girl. This is much more common in an adult. Invariably the swelling goes down after a few days leaving no ill effects. It is excessively rare for the swelling to cause sterility. A rare complication is acute pancreatitis which passes within a few days. Mumps is generally a mild disease. The usual outcome is complete recovery within about 10 days"
Considering that there are no studies on potential fertility impairments from the actual vaccine, vaccinating because of fertility concerns may be counterproductive.