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post #41 of 44
I hope this thread/discussion doesn't get closed down, we desperately need more talk amongst moms about their personal choices with vaccines. We are delaying most vaccines, not getting some and currently researching how to decrease the negative side effects of vaccinations. We've found a bunch of research that nobody's talking about. Research out of Australia showing vitamin C helps reactions, research out of Ghana about zinc, research about probiotics. Vaccinations are a personal decision that require much thought but I wonder why we aren't thinking about how to decrease the negative reactions when we do decide to vaccinate. A lot of good research posted at http://www.vaccishield.com/VacciShield_Info.html
post #42 of 44

of course, my opinion here is resulting from personal experiences, so here's my 2 cents....

My older 4 children were fully vaxed on the 90's schedule until DS2 had a severe reaction to the MMR at 15mos.  Febrile seizure, measles-like rash at first...  Then he kept having ongoing, unexplained high fevers....blood tests would repeatedly reveal elevated WBC count with no known cause.  Ped said the 2nd dose of MMR would be contraindicated for him, so we skipped it.  The 2 siblings directly after him had all vaccines with little or no reaction.  It wasn't until I was pregnant with my 5th child that i started researching and found information that truly frightened me and made me realize how lucky DS2 really is that he doesn't have any known lingering vaccine damage.   At first, I thought that I would just delay vax and especially the MMR.  Just recently we discovered that my son has Gilberts Syndrome.  It is a benign metabolic disorder that impairs the body's ability to eliminate biliruben efficiently. unconjugated Bili is reduced to about 30% of function.  Therefore many toxins are not removed from the body correctly.  This is an inherited recessive trait from both parents.   My concern is that this is the reason for his reaction to the MMR.  My purpose for introducing this point, is that Gilberts occurs in as much as 3-5% of the population with some studies saying up to 8% or more.  How would you know if your child has it?  how do I know if my other kids do?  It is not something tested for in infancy. most people don't even know they have it or show signs.  For males it often appears during puberty, or after an illness.  In his case, his eyes became yellow and the doc suspected liver disease...liver panel was fine, just elevated biliruben.

So, for me....I CANNOT take the risk of injecting my youngest with any toxins.  The benefit does not outweigh the risk.  I had both 3 day measles, and mumps as a child, and my mother says it was no big deal.  I'm not afraid of HIB either.   FWIW...my completely unvaxed child is by far the healthiest of the 5 and she was the only NON-breast-fed baby.( not for lack of trying)  Go figure...?

I'd say just hold off on that MMR a while longer until you feel 100% convinced that it is in your child's best interest.  Good luck with your decision making.

post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by Otto View Post

 

Well, postpubertal mumps leads to orchitis in about 25% of cases, with perhaps half of those causing testicular atrophy. I suppose it's a dusky path in the hodology of the (sensible) "would you expose" question, but I don't know that it warrants a stock response, especially as a real rather than speculative threat to fertility.



Would you please word your sentences so that the people can understand them? Did you mean "homology'? Also, from what I know it is not common for a person to develop atrophy of both testicles.

 

post #44 of 44
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Would you please word your sentences so that the people can understand them? Did you mean "homology'? Also, from what I know it is not common for a person to develop atrophy of both testicles.

 

half of 25% is 12.5%. i didn't read that it was referring to half of the testicles.

 

not sure what else i have to add to this thread...i'm vaxing for MMR but not for Hib. i should add that my ds was vaxed for it and experienced no side effects, dd is currently older than it is recommended for, i was fairly non-vax when i chose to skip that one, but have re-evaluated the evidence i was using to make that decision and have decided that there is definitely some merit to some vaccines.

 

i might think about the Hib vaccine if i had a wee one again.

 

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