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Can anyone tell me about the Creighton Model?

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I quite NFP after my second daughter because it was too much hassle to temp every day with breastfeeding and babies up all night.  When my daughter started to wean, I began using cycle beads because I thought I was regular enough to rely on them.  After 6 months, I was pregnant.  Unfortunately, we miscarried, and now I'm returning to my normal AF.  My really awesome doctor recommended I try the Creighton model because it's very accurate and more convenient than temping.  However I have to take a class, which seems like a big hassle to me, when I'd much rather read a book and figure it out on my own.  That's what I did with NFP and I felt pretty comfortable with it.

 

Anyway, can anyone point me to online or book sources that explain the creighton model so I don't have to take the class?

 

Or does anyone use it and recommend that I DO take the class?

 

Thanks!

Laura

 

 

post #2 of 29

What is the Creighton Model? I'm planning on starting charting and am curious.

post #3 of 29
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Here's the website:  http://www.creightonmodel.com/ 

 

From what I can tell it is a mucus only method in which the woman checks the mucus every time she urinates, and determines each day her fertility.  Unlike the sympto-thermal method, you know when you are fertile, instead of finding out after you ovulate. 

 

That's all I know though, and the website doesn't give any details, only links to teachers.

 

 

 

 

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Here's the website:  http://www.creightonmodel.com/ 

 

From what I can tell it is a mucus only method in which the woman checks the mucus every time she urinates, and determines each day her fertility.  Unlike the sympto-thermal method, you know when you are fertile, instead of finding out after you ovulate. 

 

That's all I know though, and the website doesn't give any details, only links to teachers.



Uh, I thought sympto-thermal meant FAM using temp AND symptoms (cervical position and cervical mucus). There are a bunch of links in (incl. the one above to creighton and others for billings, NFP, and FAM) in at the top of the Charting to Avoid thread. HTH

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I have used the sympto-thermal method and have looked into the creighton method, but have decided against it for now. 

Here is why -

From my research it seems there is no book on the creighton method, you have to take classes from a certified instructor.  Now they may give you materials at classes, but it seems pretty hard to come by those materials without paying for the classes.  It like they just don't want to give out information. I am sure there are good resons for it, but I would rather buy a book and compare Crieghton to what I am doing and then decide what method works for me.  BUt the classes do not work time and financially for our family at the moment.  Also my CM just isn't reliable and my temperature is.  I have EWCM frequently after ovulation through out my LP, and so with a CM only method, I am not sure how I would know I ovulated.

 

That being said I have 2 friends who have done the classes and prefer the Crieghton method because temping just didn't work for them.

post #6 of 29

I use it! I got a book out from the library and copied the charts from it when I was trying to conceive DD. I would just check out a book or read the website, I don't see a need for the class....everything I read was easy to understand. From what I've always read, CM is the best way to determine ovulation, vs. temping and so forth.

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I use it! I got a book out from the library and copied the charts from it when I was trying to conceive DD. I would just check out a book or read the website, I don't see a need for the class....everything I read was easy to understand. From what I've always read, CM is the best way to determine ovulation, vs. temping and so forth.



 

 What book??? I would love to know.  I had been looking into it but couldn't find one, and figured that they just didn't want people using the method without taking the classes.  But if there is a book for me learn more, that would be great!

 

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Uh, I thought sympto-thermal meant FAM using temp AND symptoms (cervical position and cervical mucus). There are a bunch of links in (incl. the one above to creighton and others for billings, NFP, and FAM) in at the top of the Charting to Avoid thread. HTH


Sorry if I wasn't clear.  NFP/FAM/sympto-thermal methods use temp and symptoms (temping is not an option for me right now), but the Creighton model only relies on mucus (I think?).  The link above talks about the basics but doesn't give any charts/instruction, etc.  I was hoping there was a website somewhere that did, I'll check that thread to see if there are any others. 

 

 

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I use it! I got a book out from the library and copied the charts from it when I was trying to conceive DD. I would just check out a book or read the website, I don't see a need for the class....everything I read was easy to understand. From what I've always read, CM is the best way to determine ovulation, vs. temping and so forth.



 

 What book??? I would love to know.  I had been looking into it but couldn't find one, and figured that they just didn't want people using the method without taking the classes.  But if there is a book for me learn more, that would be great!

 

 

yes, this is my experience.  The book is nowhere to be found.  And the website doesn't give charts or information. 

 

I decided to sign up for the class.  I have two small kids and rarely a regular night sleep, so temping just isn't an option for me.  The materials are $40, and classes are additional.  Also, if you drop the class, you're supposed to return the materials.  Not sure why it's so secretive - seems like they'd want to get the word out?  I'll update here when I get the materials and have my class.  I'm having my introductory session on monday via skype - at least I can do it at home, and the lady seems really nice. 
 

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Sorry if I wasn't clear.  NFP/FAM/sympto-thermal methods use temp and symptoms (temping is not an option for me right now), but the Creighton model only relies on mucus (I think?).  The link above talks about the basics but doesn't give any charts/instruction, etc.  I was hoping there was a website somewhere that did, I'll check that thread to see if there are any others. 


OK. Just to clarify, I was trying to say that since FAM also pays attention to cervical mucus and position, it is possible to use them to predict ovulation, in addition to confirming it after the fact. I don't really know anything about Creighton or Billings except that I think they are both cervical mucus only (no temping). 

 

I know this is not what you asked for, but personally, I would read TCOYF if you haven't already - because it's an awesome, truly informative book - and then just use what ever subset of the methods she describes (cervical mucus, cervical position, temping, ovulation pain, OPK, etc.) you can or have interest in. My guess, having not studied Creighton or Billings, is that the basic idea behind all cervical mucus monitoring methods is pretty much the same.

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I decided to sign up for the class.  I have two small kids and rarely a regular night sleep, so temping just isn't an option for me.  The materials are $40, and classes are additional.  Also, if you drop the class, you're supposed to return the materials.  Not sure why it's so secretive - seems like they'd want to get the word out?  I'll update here when I get the materials and have my class.  I'm having my introductory session on monday via skype - at least I can do it at home, and the lady seems really nice. 
 


Thanks so much, I would love to know just a little more about it. I had read "taking charge of your fertility" and "the art of natural family planning" prior to getting married just for my own knowledge so I thought Sympto thermal was the only method.  I didn't even know that there was a Crieghton model until it came up in a women's group I was in at my church, and a woman there was becoming a certified instructor.  Infact, she has offered to do classes with DH and I, but we now live pretty far away and it would be a tough commute. Skype is a great idea!

 

On the temping thing.  I have a 2.5 y/o and 1.5 y/o and get up fairly frequently through the night and have found that as long as I get 3 hrs sleep before I wake up for the day at 6am my temps seem to be just fine ( I mean - I see a clear temp shift almost every cycle).  I am over in the CTA thread and have gotten a lot of helpful advice and support here on MDC.

 

Oh and one more thing the basics of mucus monitoring are the same, I think.  But from how a friend who uses Creighton explained it to me there is a different type of scale for measuring/rating CM with Creighton - which possibly makes it more reliable.  Anyway...

 

Laura - thanks for this thread and keep me updated.

 

 

Kristen

post #11 of 29

I used it for two years and will start using it again soon. You can order the materials directly here: http://www.popepaulvi.com/estore.htm . At the library look up naprotechnology. I took classes with a teacher, I recommend it. The one I went to has a suggested donation of $20 per one hour private class. She gives classes to those that can't afford it for free. She actually does it all free and the money goes to the church to support their charitable work. I went with it because I have wacky sleep patterns and I know temping would never work for me. I worked wonderfully until I decided to take a vacation from my observations while on vacation away from my husband, I became pregnant a few days after I came back. I used a clearblue fertility monitor the first several months to be sure I was doing it correctly and it matched up every time. I used it on and off after that to make sure things were still on track. 

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On the temping thing.  I have a 2.5 y/o and 1.5 y/o and get up fairly frequently through the night and have found that as long as I get 3 hrs sleep before I wake up for the day at 6am my temps seem to be just fine ( I mean - I see a clear temp shift almost every cycle).  I am over in the CTA thread and have gotten a lot of helpful advice and support here on MDC.

 

Oh and one more thing the basics of mucus monitoring are the same, I think.  But from how a friend who uses Creighton explained it to me there is a different type of scale for measuring/rating CM with Creighton - which possibly makes it more reliable.  Anyway...

 

Laura - thanks for this thread and keep me updated.

 

 

Kristen

No problem, Kristen.  I had read about the mucus only method, in one of those books, but my mucus seemed too weird to rely on.  My doctor also said that the Creighton method measures the mucus in a different way that makes it more reliable - so that sounds good to me.  And I guess makes it seem worth taking the class. 
 

 

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 I used a clearblue fertility monitor the first several months to be sure I was doing it correctly and it matched up every time. I used it on and off after that to make sure things were still on track. 


Thanks for the link, and the clear blue monitor sounds like a good idea.  I might try that after I get started. 

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I just came on this thread looking for NFP and breastfeeding info. I friend reccomnded the Creighton method. I emailed the closest teaching place to me but got no reply. Then I was searching again today and found The NaPro Technology Revolution book on amazon. Is this the right one? 

 

I will have no luck with temps as I've up nursing two kids all night long! I've read TCYF and had great luck with it to date pregnancy and such but I really need a break and don't just want a date right now and now feel the need to take a pg test every cycle like the last two! Three days of spotting now on day 2 of fertial mucus and tonight I've added uncomfortable nursing to the mix...I'm so not in love with my body right now!


Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

I took classes with a teacher, I recommend it.

 

How do I find a teacher?
 

post #14 of 29
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How do I find a teacher?
 

 You can find a teacher here:  http://www.fertilitycare.org/  Look at the list on the left hand side.  They don't have to be in your town - mine is doing the classes over the phone and via skype. 
 

post #15 of 29

If you have trouble finding a teacher you can call around to Catholic churches. We found out about it during our marriage prep classes. 

post #16 of 29

darn I wish I could remember the name of that book! That was years ago when I read it!

Anyway, have you checked the website? They have the same charts online that the book did. You can learn from reading online.....lots of great info too!

www.woomb.org

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darn I wish I could remember the name of that book! That was years ago when I read it!

Anyway, have you checked the website? They have the same charts online that the book did. You can learn from reading online.....lots of great info too!

www.woomb.org



I think this is the Billings method.  I am not sure it is the same as the Creighton model.  Does anyone know?

 

post #18 of 29

Billings and Creighton are slightly different, but I couldn't tell you how.  I took an introductory class on Creighton.  The charts are stickers, red for bleeding, green for infertile, yellow for basic infertility pattern (all the time mucus), white for potentially fertile.  Count bleeding as potentially fertile.  Count any mucus as potentially fertile (unless you have all the time mucus).  Mark peak day as the last day of fertile mucus in a patch of mucus, and consider yourself potentially fertile for the next 4 days of drying up or dry.  Count any days with known seminal residue as potentially fertile, and wait for a dry day to consider yourself infertile again.  That's basically the simple version, but you could get a lot more information if you took a class.  They encourage you to abstain for an entire cycle before you start so that you can observe your cycle with no confounding factors.

 

It's basically all you've got to do NFP before your first PP period, but it's hard to confirm ovulation.  You can't really be sure you ovulated until you have a period.  With the sympto-thermal method, you can confirm ovulation by charting temperature as well.  If you dry up, and your temperature stays low, you know you haven't ovulated yet.  If you dry up with a temperature rise, you know you ovulated.  While bfing my DD, I did not chart until around 18 months when I had very fertile mucus for the first time since she was born.  I took my temperature at the same time every morning as best I could.  She still nurses 15-20 times most nights or just sleeps on the breast if I let her.  There were times the temping didn't work out so well, but I was able to tell when I was potentially fertile (most of 3 months straight) based on the above rules.  When I did actually ovulate, I had sore nipples when nursing, fertile mucus, and I had a clear temp shift coinciding with my dry-up.  If I had been charting mucus only, I would not ave known for sure whether I actually ovulated or was just back into breastfeeding infertility until I actually had a period.  By charting temp as well, I knew I had ovulated for sure.  I knew I hadn't ovulated and gotten pregnant before without knowing.  I knew my period might be starting or when I could take a pregnancy test.  Those don't really matter so much as far as when I would consider myself to be fertile, but they gave me just a little more information to give me peace of mind and save me money on pregnancy tests.

 

The most research has been done on CM, and if you want to count on that one symptom alone, the Creighton folks know more about it than anyone.  The Pope Paul VI Institute (Creigton) also came up with NaPro technology to naturally treat infertility.  They have several physicians trained to look at your Creigton charts to determine what health problems you may be facing and to fix those health problems so that you can conceive naturally.  They are highly successful, more successful than IVF for a fraction of the cost usually.  I would guess that the book listed above is about NaPro technology more than the Creigton method, though they are connected.  In any case, if temping isn't working out for you, Creighton is a great alternative that has also proven to be highly effective.  Personally, I'd rather have whatever imperfect information I get from temping after nursing throughout the night, and I was surprised how clear my temping information was wen I actually got down to ovulating.  I've had some temperature spikes without ovulating, but then the temp slowly goes back down instead of continuing up, and there's no dry up.  Just wait an extra day if it looks confusing.... or post your chart for the chart stalkers to pick apart.

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Billings and Creighton are slightly different, but I couldn't tell you how.  I took an introductory class on Creighton.  The charts are stickers, red for bleeding, green for infertile, yellow for basic infertility pattern (all the time mucus), white for potentially fertile.  Count bleeding as potentially fertile.  Count any mucus as potentially fertile (unless you have all the time mucus).  Mark peak day as the last day of fertile mucus in a patch of mucus, and consider yourself potentially fertile for the next 4 days of drying up or dry.  Count any days with known seminal residue as potentially fertile, and wait for a dry day to consider yourself infertile again.  That's basically the simple version, but you could get a lot more information if you took a class.  They encourage you to abstain for an entire cycle before you start so that you can observe your cycle with no confounding factors.

 

It's basically all you've got to do NFP before your first PP period, but it's hard to confirm ovulation.  You can't really be sure you ovulated until you have a period.  With the sympto-thermal method, you can confirm ovulation by charting temperature as well.  If you dry up, and your temperature stays low, you know you haven't ovulated yet.  If you dry up with a temperature rise, you know you ovulated.  While bfing my DD, I did not chart until around 18 months when I had very fertile mucus for the first time since she was born.  I took my temperature at the same time every morning as best I could.  She still nurses 15-20 times most nights or just sleeps on the breast if I let her.  There were times the temping didn't work out so well, but I was able to tell when I was potentially fertile (most of 3 months straight) based on the above rules.  When I did actually ovulate, I had sore nipples when nursing, fertile mucus, and I had a clear temp shift coinciding with my dry-up.  If I had been charting mucus only, I would not ave known for sure whether I actually ovulated or was just back into breastfeeding infertility until I actually had a period.  By charting temp as well, I knew I had ovulated for sure.  I knew I hadn't ovulated and gotten pregnant before without knowing.  I knew my period might be starting or when I could take a pregnancy test.  Those don't really matter so much as far as when I would consider myself to be fertile, but they gave me just a little more information to give me peace of mind and save me money on pregnancy tests.

 

The most research has been done on CM, and if you want to count on that one symptom alone, the Creighton folks know more about it than anyone.  The Pope Paul VI Institute (Creigton) also came up with NaPro technology to naturally treat infertility.  They have several physicians trained to look at your Creigton charts to determine what health problems you may be facing and to fix those health problems so that you can conceive naturally.  They are highly successful, more successful than IVF for a fraction of the cost usually.  I would guess that the book listed above is about NaPro technology more than the Creigton method, though they are connected.  In any case, if temping isn't working out for you, Creighton is a great alternative that has also proven to be highly effective.  Personally, I'd rather have whatever imperfect information I get from temping after nursing throughout the night, and I was surprised how clear my temping information was wen I actually got down to ovulating.  I've had some temperature spikes without ovulating, but then the temp slowly goes back down instead of continuing up, and there's no dry up.  Just wait an extra day if it looks confusing.... or post your chart for the chart stalkers to pick apart.


Thanks so much that was incredibly helpful :-)

post #20 of 29

I know this question was from two years ago, but I'm just seeing it now! Anyway, my hubby and I have been using the Creighton Method for two years now, but we began charting about six months before our wedding (we saved making love for marriage).

 

We LOVE this method of charting and it helped us conceive our baby when we wanted to. As to why you can't find much information online to teach the method to yourself--this is to basically protect the effectiveness rate of NFP. When taught by an instructor, the effectiveness rate for NFP (and Creighton specifically) is something like 99.5%--it's an amazingly strong method for either preventing or achieving pregnancy. The founders of the method are passionate about ensuring that those who learn the method learn it correctly from an instructor--and learn it right, so that it can be that effective for you too.

 

By going to an instructor, we were able to ask questions while we were charting--and there were so many questions. But our instructor was so patient with us, looking at our chart and helping us determine what my patterns of irregular mucus meant, what we should do in times of stress (and possible "double peak" ovulation), and what to do once seminal fluid was introduced. I highly recommend that anyone who is interested in NFP find a certified instructor. It will ensure that you use the Creighton method correctly. I just moved to a new city and have found a few instructors through local Catholic churches who often have introductory classes on Creighton. 

 

It's totally worth the money, which is very little when compared to the ongoing costs of artificial hormonal contraception or barrier contraception. And, it's so healthy for your marriage. Thanks for letting me get on my soapbox. smile.gif  

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