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Since Andrew Wakefield's 1998 paper is "an elaborate fraud", should I vax?  

post #1 of 54
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My 2 children are not vaxed. After the recent new that this paper is a fraud and some correlations between autism and vaccinations, but no proven causation/evidence.  I think it's time to have DC vaxed. What do you guys think?

post #2 of 54

Was that your sole reason for not vaccinating? The autism risk? 

post #3 of 54

Remember--this was for only one vaccine.  What about the other 11 that no one is talking about? 

He was one man, with one small study.  There are other countless doctors, scientists, and researchers that won't touch vaccines with a ten foot pole.  Just because one man was made an example out of (and that's why they are doing this) it doesn't prove everyone else wrong.

 

And autism is not the only scary side effect of vaccines.  What about seizures, brain damage, Guillan Barre' (symptoms like Multiple-sclerosis), auto-immune disorders, the list goes on.

post #4 of 54

We select and delay, and autism was never on my list, so the Wakefield study whether true or faked didn't go into my decision whatsoever.

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We select and delay, and autism was never on my list, so the Wakefield study whether true or faked didn't go into my decision whatsoever.



This. Word for word.

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Remember--this was for only one vaccine.  What about the other 11 that no one is talking about? 

He was one man, with one small study.  There are other countless doctors, scientists, and researchers that won't touch vaccines with a ten foot pole.  Just because one man was made an example out of (and that's why they are doing this) it doesn't prove everyone else wrong.

 

And autism is not the only scary side effect of vaccines.  What about seizures, brain damage, Guillan Barre' (symptoms like Multiple-sclerosis), auto-immune disorders, the list goes on.



:yeah

 

The long-term health effects of vaccines have never been studied.  I won't be getting my daughter the MMR (my oldest has already had 1 dose) because I don't believe the vaccine is safe, and I am not afraid of measles, mumps, or rubella.

post #7 of 54

We don't vax and autism wasn't on the radar at all when we made this decision. Whether or not Dr. Wakefield's research is "proven" to be a fraud doesn't change my beliefs on the issue.

 

If that was your only reason for not vaxxing, then perhaps more research is in order before you make the decision to do so. 

post #8 of 54

i definitely think that just because this one study is flawed, you should't feel like you have to vaccinate your children.  Of course a huge deal is being made of this information, because pharmaceutical companies want and need people to vaccinate; that's part of how they stay around.  But i have no doubts if they found out there was reason to believe one of their vaccines did more harm than good maybe thorough one dangerous ingredient and their studies had flaws, this would be covered up and the harmful ingredient would be quietly removed so that people would still trust their doctors and continue getting vaccinated.  I think a lot of it is about money.  

 

I also learned a good deal in college how these pharmaceutical companies are also the ones coming up with new antibiotics all the time and giving doctors some kind of bonus if they sell them, even if these drugs haven't been thoroughly tested.  So they basically use patients as guinea pigs; again it's about money.  To make a long story short, I could never trust such a corrupt industry to make decisions on my child's vaccination schedule.

 

I also agree with other posters that there's so many other reasons to not vaccinate; I think vaccines probably don't do much for your immune system and what are the odds of getting most of the diseases anyway when compared with potential side effects of the vaccines?

post #9 of 54

We vax our kids based on all the research. This study didn't sway me then and I am not surprised another study has shown the data to be fraudulent.

post #10 of 54

Of course , there are some side effects to some vacc , like I would NEVER get a flu shot , but some do have benefits . My older cousin died of measles when he was 13 , there is no way I would take that chance with my kids , so MMR is definitely one I would go for .

Other than that , nobody can tell me , that Autism gets caused by the vacc , that´s basically the same rubbish some british doctor came up with , that tdp vacc was responsible for SIDS !

If your kids have no underlying infections or a fever , it´s a lot safer to get them vaccinated than not to .

post #11 of 54

I have been feeling totally persecuted.  Are others feeling this way?  I have a four-month-old son and we are delaying vaccinations because I am highly allergic to so many things including various meds.  Since the big "news" broke, I have been getting it from every end...friends, in-laws, etc.  I read a bunch of articles that are saying Deer may be manipulating his own data for money...

 

I think it would be helpful if non-vaccinators (I'm not talking about super conscious parents that do research and participate in the conversation about vaccines necessarily) would do a little more in the way of keeping their sick children at home.  I am a Waldorf teacher on maternity leave and my former school was the school in CA that made the news a few years ago over pertussis.  If you aren't going to vaccinate you have to be overly careful about exposing your children to others and vice versa.  A lot of people, I've discussed this with in the past week assume that my reasons for not vaccinated are directly related to the Wakefield study which couldn't be farther from the truth...I've gotten off on a side-tangent.  

 

Anyway, no reason to run to the doctor and vaccinate if your reasons for not vaccinating were not related to this study in the first place.  But...it is a really frustrating time to be a non-vaccinating family.  

post #12 of 54

All that was proved is that Wakefield screwed up a "study" of 12 kids.  How on earth this translates to vaccines being safe is beyond me.  There is still not a real study available showing the safety of vaccines.  Nothing showing vaccinated children vs. non-vaccinated.  We just have a lot of damaged kids and it's still a mystery as to why.  There is just no way to justify all of the children with such severe health problems like we have now.   I wouldn't Not vaccinate based on a study of 12 kids, so I surely wouldn't vaccinate based on that study being messed up.

post #13 of 54

A fully referenced rebuttle of the Wakefield 'fraud' can be found here: http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/the-big-lie-brian-deer-dr-wakefield-the-british-medical-journal/ 

 

Remember, there were 13 well-respected authors on that paper and it was first published in a very well-respected journal.  I have a hard time believing that there was nothing to this study.  I know many of the authors have distanced themselves from the work after Wakefield has been made a example of, and I don't blame them.  However, I think the vigour with which Wakefield has been pursued is telling of the big toes he's stepped on. 

 

Also, another very interesting story on vaccines and how certain research (that is finding vaccine may not be as safe as we think) is being disregarded. On BBC Radio 4 (only 23 hours left to listen, well worth it!): http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x4013 

 

Richard Phinney reports from the West African country of Guinea Bissau, where a team of Danish and African medical sleuths have pieced together evidence that could change public health care forever. They have discovered that vaccines and vitamin supplements have unexpected effects - good and bad - on the immune systems of children.

It's the first time a British journalist has visited the Bandim health surveillance unit, where Dr Peter Aaby and his team has toiled for more than 30 years - through wars, natural disasters and epidemics. A small army of doctors, nurses, field workers and lab technicians now monitor the health of 100,000 people.

Their health detective work has generated more than 600 scholarly articles in the world's leading medical journals, and been responsible for the withdrawal of a potentially deadly measles vaccine by the World Health Organisation.

But the WHO has not acted on the most explosive findings yet coming from Guinea Bissau. They show that the world's most commonly used vaccines can strengthen - or weaken - a child's immune system in the long term, and affect their ability to fight off disease. The results directly challenge the WHO's global health advice, followed by most countries in the developing world, and could mean that thousands of young lives, in Africa and beyond, are needlessly at risk.

We'll hear from some of world's most respected public health scientists who back Aaby's findings. The documentary also asks why the WHO has not yet acted on the evidence generated so far. And whether safety tests for new vaccines and vitamin supplements, heavily promoted by donor agencies and pharmaceutical companies alike, are sufficiently far-reaching. 

post #14 of 54

We vaccinate because we've done our research.

post #15 of 54

This is what my pediatrician has to say on the recent Wakefield information (make sure you continue to read what she has to say in the first comment of her post - she couldn't fit it all into her status update):

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Ali-Carine/89975944964

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Also, another very interesting story on vaccines and how certain research (that is finding vaccine may not be as safe as we think) is being disregarded. On BBC Radio 4 (only 23 hours left to listen, well worth it!): http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x4013 

 

 


I listened to it, and learned there is very strong evidence that the diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis vaccine decreases overall immunity and increases death from other diseases. The DTP vaccine is more dangerous to girls than boys. Vitamin A given at birth makes the DTP vaccine more dangerous for girls and increases female infant mortality by 41% in Third World countries. The world health community is choosing to disregard this information, and continues to support numerous studies in undeveloped countries that involve giving vitamin A to newborns, both male and female.

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We vaccinate because we've done our research.



 And it's because we've done our research that we don't vax.  Through our research my family has learned so much that directly contradicts what the pro-vaccine doctors have told us.  I think it comes down to making an informed decision based on your own particular set of circumstances and how you perceive the risks vs. the benefits.

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We vaccinate because we've done our research.



 And it's because we've done our research that we don't vax.  Through our research my family has learned so much that directly contradicts what the pro-vaccine doctors have told us.  I think it comes down to making an informed decision based on your own particular set of circumstances and how you perceive the risks vs. the benefits.


exactly

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Originally Posted by annyhasababy View Post

I have been feeling totally persecuted.  Are others feeling this way?  I have a four-month-old son and we are delaying vaccinations because I am highly allergic to so many things including various meds.  Since the big "news" broke, I have been getting it from every end...friends, in-laws, etc.  I read a bunch of articles that are saying Deer may be manipulating his own data for money...

 

I think it would be helpful if non-vaccinators (I'm not talking about super conscious parents that do research and participate in the conversation about vaccines necessarily) would do a little more in the way of keeping their sick children at home.  I am a Waldorf teacher on maternity leave and my former school was the school in CA that made the news a few years ago over pertussis.  If you aren't going to vaccinate you have to be overly careful about exposing your children to others and vice versa.  A lot of people, I've discussed this with in the past week assume that my reasons for not vaccinated are directly related to the Wakefield study which couldn't be farther from the truth...I've gotten off on a side-tangent.  

 

Anyway, no reason to run to the doctor and vaccinate if your reasons for not vaccinating were not related to this study in the first place.  But...it is a really frustrating time to be a non-vaccinating family.  



I wish all parents, not just the non-vaxers, would keep their sick kids at home. 

 

Why would you think it would be helpful if only the non-vaxers kept their sick kids at home?  This comment screams to me that you assume that vaxed kids don't get sick and/or are incapable of spreading disease.  You specifically mention pertussis-are you aware that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission of whooping cough?  That means that vaxxed kids can and do contract pertussis and are capable of spreading it to others.  In fact, the stats from the so called oubreak in CA confirms that the vast majority of confirmed pertussis cases were in vaxxed persons.  

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We vaccinate because we've done our research.



 And it's because we've done our research that we don't vax.  Through our research my family has learned so much that directly contradicts what the pro-vaccine doctors have told us.  I think it comes down to making an informed decision based on your own particular set of circumstances and how you perceive the risks vs. the benefits.


Exactly. Every precious child is genetically different, each child has their own set of challenges that may or may not be evident at birth. It's fact that scientists are just now beginning to have a real understanding of the complex nature of the immune system, but particularly an infant's immune system. My whole issue with the vaccine schedule is that it is assumed that all children are carbon copies of one another - that a vaccine will affect each child in the exact same way. Vaccines do have to potential to cause harm, this is not in dispute. What is in dispute is how often they cause harm. The NVICP has paid over 2 billion dollars since 1989 and we all know how hard it actually is to win a case. Vaccine reactions are routinely dismissed or labeled something else by medical professionals. VEARS represents 1-10% of the true numbers.

 

Taking into account my own family history and what I see my child is sturggling with now (he's unvaxed at 2.5 yrs old), I KNOW had I vaxed him he would have been damaged. I have learned a great deal about biochemistry since Ive been trying to unravel my son's issues and I know his (and mine) have certain challenges that others do not have. Public health operates on the sentiment that every child is the same and the vaccines should all be given to all children for the greater good. They acknowledge that very rarely (this is BS IMO) there will be some collaretal damage. It's all well and good until the collateral damage happens to be your child.
 

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