Project STOP the cavities - Page 3

[gabbyraja]

PB, I'm hoping to get at least 3 of my children "revised", lol, very soon. 7 yrs, 2 yrs and 4 mos. Can you please share the exact things you used before and after to help with the healing/pain/etc.?

[Theloose]

I wanted to update - between the cell salts, the vitamin D direct to ds, and focusing on sips of water and xylitol gel as often as we think about it, his teeth look about the same as they did several days ago. That definitely beats looking worse at the end of the day than that same morning! eta: and lots of biotin for me and a bit direct to ds too)

And I have a couple leads for someone who will likely do the revisions. I think choosing to actually go through with it is going to be one of those moments where suddenly I actually feel like a grown up parent. It's going to be tough
Edited by Theloose - 1/20/11 at 4:00pm

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by gabbyraja 

PB, I'm hoping to get at least 3 of my children "revised", lol, very soon. 7 yrs, 2 yrs and 4 mos. Can you please share the exact things you used before and after to help with the healing/pain/etc.?

Will do-here's a cut and paste from something I sent another interested mama:

So remedies to have on hand IMO are hypericum, arnica and bryonia.  I alternated hypericum and arnica at 1m for the first day.  By day two I moved to arnica and bryonia 200c which I kept up for 2 days, then went to 30c.

My kids (6 and 4) also did a solution of hypericum and calendula in water (10:1 water to tincture) and rinsed with it 6 times a day.  I gave them straws, and had them sip, swish and spit.  I took them outside and let them find things to spit on (so it would be fun!)  This helped heal, cleanse, reduce pain and maintain mobility in addition to the exercises they did every waking hour.

They did beautifully and never needed OTC meds.  My only misstep was that I thought 200c would be high enough for the first day.  I'd have been up a creek had I not had the 1m to fall back on.

I did also use cell salts-ferrum phos and mag phos in their water.  Could have just done the 5 phos combo.  I did intentionally stay away from silica and calendula as remedies as I didn't want the wound to heal too fast.  I suspect that with both increasing cellular mitosis we could have had more discomfort during the healing process.

HTH!

[MittensKittens]

It looks like I am here as well. We live in Serbia, Europe. My son (2 yo) has cavities on his upper front teeth, and after failing to heal them, I went to several dentists. Guess what? I just came back from the dentist. He said that, if only I'd stop breastfeeding, his cavities will stop. He is refusing to drill and fill them, because it is against their policy with young kids who can't behave well in the dentists' chair. They can't or won't do general anesthesia.

So I guess I am on my own. My son has decay on his upper front teeth and the ones next to them (1 and 2). We're ordering xylitol, and not quitting breastfeeding

[narnia51483]

Good for you with not quitting breastfeeding, Mittens.  From all the research I've seen, it seems to have nothing to do with tooth decay.

Are there other options for dentists where you live that you can try?  I found a great dentist who understands that I don't want fluoride in my dd's mouth and agrees (not saying every mom here agrees, just that you can find a dentist who agrees with your philosophies, perhaps one who won't blame it on bfing).

Good luck.  We go to our holistic physician tomorrow (1 hour 20 mins away, but so worth it) to talk to him about teeth, allergies, growth, etc.  I'm hoping I will come away with a bevy of new and useful info, and that it will help turn things around.

[Panserbjorne]

If there is a structural anomaly and breastfeeding is an issue then that doesn't mean the answer is to quit.  Just my two cents.  I think it's okay to acknowledge that it can play a role, but that doesn't mean that you need to quit.  It means you need to assess the alternatives.  The research that actually does discuss the issue of breastfeeding and decay is fairly new, reasonable and not a reason to stop.  It's more a why than it is a directive.

[MittensKittens]

Originally Posted by narnia51483 

Good for you with not quitting breastfeeding, Mittens.  From all the research I've seen, it seems to have nothing to do with tooth decay.

Are there other options for dentists where you live that you can try?  I found a great dentist who understands that I don't want fluoride in my dd's mouth and agrees (not saying every mom here agrees, just that you can find a dentist who agrees with your philosophies, perhaps one who won't blame it on bfing).

Good luck.  We go to our holistic physician tomorrow (1 hour 20 mins away, but so worth it) to talk to him about teeth, allergies, growth, etc.  I'm hoping I will come away with a bevy of new and useful info, and that it will help turn things around.

The dentist I saw today went as far as to tell me that I could go to the state clinic for pediatric dentistry, which is part of their faculty, to hear that I was wrong and he was right, BECAUSE that is where he was taught that the only two reasons for decay are sugar and poor hygiene. It's crazy. The dentists all say that general anesthetic cannot be used (because of the risks, presumably?), yet a friend was told her two year old needed GA for an eye exam by an optometrist, because they can't sit still at that age. Anyway, the conclusion is - there are no dentists who will take a differing view. He said they start filling at age 4 or 5.

I really, really don't want my boy to have rotten teeth - I just want a filling!

[Panserbjorne]

I think that's absurd.  I know plenty of dentists that will do twilight, or even just nitrous to facilitate filling a child's teeth.  I'm so sorry.  I really hope you find someone with a brain and a heart.

[gabbyraja]

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne 

Originally Posted by gabbyraja 

PB, I'm hoping to get at least 3 of my children "revised", lol, very soon. 7 yrs, 2 yrs and 4 mos. Can you please share the exact things you used before and after to help with the healing/pain/etc.?

Will do-here's a cut and paste from something I sent another interested mama:

So remedies to have on hand IMO are hypericum, arnica and bryonia.  I alternated hypericum and arnica at 1m for the first day.  By day two I moved to arnica and bryonia 200c which I kept up for 2 days, then went to 30c.

My kids (6 and 4) also did a solution of hypericum and calendula in water (10:1 water to tincture) and rinsed with it 6 times a day.  I gave them straws, and had them sip, swish and spit.  I took them outside and let them find things to spit on (so it would be fun!)  This helped heal, cleanse, reduce pain and maintain mobility in addition to the exercises they did every waking hour.

They did beautifully and never needed OTC meds.  My only misstep was that I thought 200c would be high enough for the first day.  I'd have been up a creek had I not had the 1m to fall back on.

I did also use cell salts-ferrum phos and mag phos in their water.  Could have just done the 5 phos combo.  I did intentionally stay away from silica and calendula as remedies as I didn't want the wound to heal too fast.  I suspect that with both increasing cellular mitosis we could have had more discomfort during the healing process.

HTH!

Thank you! And one more Q? Would you do this same thing with the baby (now 4 months old)?
 

[Panserbjorne]

at four months 200c might be enough since there's less tissue.  I'd want the 1m on hand though in case.  But yes...same deal minus the spitting of the calendula/hypericum!

[Theloose]

An update:  we found a local orofacial myologist, and she's going to try to help us find someone locally who will do the frenectomy.  We also had an appointment with a holistic dentist, who confirmed that the frenum is tight and referred us to a pediactric dentist who will do the procedure under general anesthesia once he's older.  In the meantime, he said to continue rinsing milk off and applying xylitol, and sold us some MI paste.  Anyone have thoughts on the MI paste?  I'd use it in a second if it weren't for all the preservatives in it.

[Theloose]

AND his front tooth is broken and it's bothering him.  I think we're choosing to do baby root canals and cap them under general anesthesia.  Just typing that out makes me sick.  We have an appointment for the 7th, but this dentist is refusing to cut the frenum.  While I search out all our local treatment options, what are our pain management options?

[lookatreestar]

Originally Posted by Theloose 

AND his front tooth is broken and it's bothering him.  I think we're choosing to do baby root canals and cap them under general anesthesia.  Just typing that out makes me sick.  We have an appointment for the 7th, but this dentist is refusing to cut the frenum.  While I search out all our local treatment options, what are our pain management options?

is there any update? how is your LO doing?

[Theloose]

Wow.  That was a little over a year ago, and we ended up capping the front four, and the dentist *did* cut the frenum.  Then the new teeth, molars that hadn't even erupted yet then were decaying and painful, so we did a second trip, getting the rest capped a few months later (july?)  Now his 2nd year molars are coming in, and he'll be 2 next week.  Good reminder to crank up the cell salts for him!

[Thing1Thing2]

Originally Posted by Panserbjorne hmmm, I'm not sure I'm fully aware of all the issues that are affected.  for sure I can speak to:

digestive function

reflux

sinus difficulties

breathing

coordination

balancing the autonomic nervous system

Hey could someone take a look at these pics of my boys? I came across this thread and  I saw the picture of Theloose DC frenulum - it looks so much like my first DS.

I've been told we have MTFR issues. Also both kids have reflux, digestion problems, food allergies and sinus problems. My first also may be diagnosed with ASD shortly. It has been a mystery why even with meds and changes in food these children still have reflux.

Heres DS1 - 3 years old (Got that one while he was napping!)

Here's DS2 8 months old.