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Well, DH and I talked. It's official...... WE'RE UCing! Our midwife will be doing some educational one-on-one classes with us to dispell any fears (mainly by DH) and go over what to look for normal vs. abnormal. I'm a student midwife, so I know a good amount but I still need to learn more. She'll be on-call for us by phone throughout the pregnancy, delivery, and after birth. She'll come over post partum to check on me and baby, cook a meal, and do any cleaning. I'm soooo excited!



Great news!

post #62 of 240
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Grace that's awesome!!

 

 

Well, I "broke up" with my midwife today, so we are officially UC'ing too! I wrote her an email, but I told her I would be calling to speak in person as well. I feel very much at peace with our decision :)

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Grace that's awesome!!

 

 

Well, I "broke up" with my midwife today, so we are officially UC'ing too! I wrote her an email, but I told her I would be calling to speak in person as well. I feel very much at peace with our decision :)


Oh, what a relief! I know you were struggling with how to do this. Way to go, mama!! joy.gif
post #64 of 240
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Thanks so much Tracy! I know, I was being so dumb about it lol

post #65 of 240

I know, we're super excited. I'm happy for you too. It always helps to verbalize your issues/fears with others to give you both sides to consider. 
 

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Grace that's awesome!!

 

 

Well, I "broke up" with my midwife today, so we are officially UC'ing too! I wrote her an email, but I told her I would be calling to speak in person as well. I feel very much at peace with our decision :)

post #66 of 240

I've been stocking up on supplies, most of which I'm sure I won't need, but for just in case. I'll post a list tomorrow! The fish scale arrived yesterday and we tried it out, it's awesome!

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I've been stocking up on supplies, most of which I'm sure I won't need, but for just in case. I'll post a list tomorrow! The fish scale arrived yesterday and we tried it out, it's awesome!

 

Oh yay!  I'd love a supply list. I am somewhat on the fence about supplies. On one hand, I want everything I'll need and some comfort items but on the other hand I'm really just considering some scissors/shoelace (for cord), some chux/towels, and a birthing pool and just going with it. I suppose I need some sort of scale because to get the BC you've got to have the weight recorded. One thing I do want to have on hand are things like shepherd's purse and rescue remedy and I'm trying to find a reputable way to get Cytotec from an online pharm -- (in case of PPH it's been known to work almost as well as Pit -- 90% to Pit's 96% in studies).

 



 

post #68 of 240

PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT USE CYTOTEC, especially at home and ESPECIALLY UC. It's extremely dangerous, worse than pitocin and if you decided you wanted to use cytotec then you definitely need to be monitored. I'm not one to preach info. to people unless they ask, but this REALLY scared me and I just had to speak up. I'm a student midwife and I study all of these things, but you can study just as well. Anyone can learn anything they want, you just have to search in the right places. I was just on a conference call the other day with a midwife whose attended over 2300 births and NEVER had to transfer for a hemorrhage and has NEVER used pitocin or cytotec. Most of how to help a hem. is to prevent it and that's by no interventions and pushing once you really feel the expulsion of baby. If you're afraid of hem. then try to dispell those fears now and I can give you information or send you to a good place that has great info. on what to use for hem. that is natural. Again, don't take this the wrong way and you can do whatever you feel is best.
 

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I've been stocking up on supplies, most of which I'm sure I won't need, but for just in case. I'll post a list tomorrow! The fish scale arrived yesterday and we tried it out, it's awesome!

 

Oh yay!  I'd love a supply list. I am somewhat on the fence about supplies. On one hand, I want everything I'll need and some comfort items but on the other hand I'm really just considering some scissors/shoelace (for cord), some chux/towels, and a birthing pool and just going with it. I suppose I need some sort of scale because to get the BC you've got to have the weight recorded. One thing I do want to have on hand are things like shepherd's purse and rescue remedy and I'm trying to find a reputable way to get Cytotec from an online pharm -- (in case of PPH it's been known to work almost as well as Pit -- 90% to Pit's 96% in studies).

 



 

post #69 of 240

So happy for you guys!

 

Dh and I have been considering uc'ing, in my visions of the birth it is just the two of us. And homebirth is so expensive, right now we don't have insurance so we are paying 100% out of pocket. My only fear is that it is our first. In my heart I was UC! UC! UC! but then at work I helped some first time moms push out their babies and I remembered how much harder it is the first time compared to second and later babies. Prenatal care does seem kind of funny to me, with my background I am seeing the midwives but they aren't telling me anything I don't know. I feel like, I

'm paying you 150 dollars right now for you to take my blood pressure and listen to the heartbeat when I can see my belly jump as she kicks?

 

 

We are also moving in one or two weeks to another state so that makes it confusing too :) Oh well things will become more clear I'm sure as time gets closer.

 

 

About meds, I definitely hear Grace's point ... I think getting herbal preparations in order would be much better than looking to meds. Susun weeds herbal for the childbearing year has some great recipes that you can start using and taking in preparation, even during this part of the pregnancy. Also, acupuncture and energy work is really helpful as well. Unless you are prone to hemorrhage or have risk factors, I think that you should remember your mind-body connection. If you feel safest UC'ing then part of that is trusting your body to know what to do. Support it with love, affirmations, exercise and herbs and trust your intuition :)

 

 

 

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Grace, I so appreciate the concern, I do :) and yes, you're right Cytotec can be EXTREMELY dangerous if used while baby is still inside mama. It can cause uterine rupture and cause death to the baby and a bleed-out for mama (via UR). I have done extensive research on it, and I would never use it while baby is inside -- only AFTER birthing the baby and in an emergency situation of PPH (which I don't believe will be the case) if natural and herbal remedies didn't work (which I plan on having available). The dangers of Cytotec are when it has been used to induce labor (in the same manner as Pit) and again, I would never do that and am well aware of the dangers of it while baby is still inside mama. Again, I appreciate your concern but the freak out was unnecessary imo and kind of communicated that I was going to do something deadly or dangerous (I'm not).

 

Studies by WHO and other agencies show it is extremely effective in stopping PPH -- I would be comfortable using it, again, only AFTER baby is out and only in a situation of acute pph until emergency medical care can be accessed. I don't anticipate pph at all, but would feel comfortable having something along with natural measures, should it be necessary. Many a home birth midwife carries it in places/states where they are unable to carry Pit. From Ronnie Falcao midwives' archives: http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/thirdstg.html (scroll down or do ctrl + F and search 'cytotec') lots of studies and personal stories from midwives)

 

 

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  Postpartum use of Cytotec/misoprostol is very different from prenatal or intrapartum use, i.e. before the baby is born.  During labor, before the baby is born, Cytotec can cause contractions that are too strong for the baby . . . they can squeeze the placenta so tight for so long that there's not enough oxygen getting through to the baby; this can cause severe fetal distress.  Or, if the baby is not fitting into the pelvis (obstructed labor), the very strong contractions caused by Cytotec can actually cause a tear in the birthing woman's uterine muscle, which is called a uterine rupture.

After the baby is born, contractions caused by Cytotec given to the mother no longer affect the baby.  After the baby is born, the risk of uterine rupture also goes away because once the baby is outside the mother's body, there is no possibility of an obstructed labor. 

 

 

 

(It's the same drug as misoprostol).

 

http://www.psi.org/our-work/healthy-lives/interventions/misoprostol-reduce-postpartum-hemorrhage

 

http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/17841

 

http://www.usp.org/pdf/EN/dqi/misoprostolReport.pdf 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15919088?dopt=Abstract

 

(among others)

 

Anyway, I just didn't think I'd have to defend a well-researched decision (that I would use only in an acute emergency situation) on this thread of all places, but I am trying to view your post as it was intended -- no hard feelings.

post #71 of 240

I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were considering having Cytotec for the use of the birthing process. I'm so glad you've done your research, but most UC moms really do anyhow! There really are no dangers to using cytotec for postpartum only but the possible side effects (vomiting, diarrhea, chills/shakes-some moms get this after birth anyhow but the cytotec can increase it, and possible fever). It is worth using if it's a truly big bleed, but that can also be hard to detect by yourself. There are other things to try first like you or hubby putting a hand on top of the fundus (top of uterus) to stimulate contractions (not agressively rubbing, just a light movement), placing a piece of the placenta in your cheek to suck on (size of thumb nail)(this way it absorbs faster and easier)- this is almost instant and I have seen it work, and nursing. 

 

You will know your body better than your hubby when he sees lots of blood, so just go with your instincts. If you feel like you're dizzy, vomiting, pale, ect. then start doing a few things because hubby's can overreact to what may seem like a lot of blood to him. Again, I'm sorry and I wasn't trying to criticize you in any way plus I misunderstood your intentions. You know your body best and you'll know what to do during that time. thumb.gif
 

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Grace, I so appreciate the concern, I do :) and yes, you're right Cytotec can be EXTREMELY dangerous if used while baby is still inside mama. It can cause uterine rupture and cause death to the baby and a bleed-out for mama (via UR). I have done extensive research on it, and I would never use it while baby is inside -- only AFTER birthing the baby and in an emergency situation of PPH (which I don't believe will be the case) if natural and herbal remedies didn't work (which I plan on having available). The dangers of Cytotec are when it has been used to induce labor (in the same manner as Pit) and again, I would never do that and am well aware of the dangers of it while baby is still inside mama. Again, I appreciate your concern but the freak out was unnecessary imo and kind of communicated that I was going to do something deadly or dangerous (I'm not).

 

Studies by WHO and other agencies show it is extremely effective in stopping PPH -- I would be comfortable using it, again, only AFTER baby is out and only in a situation of acute pph until emergency medical care can be accessed. I don't anticipate pph at all, but would feel comfortable having something along with natural measures, should it be necessary. Many a home birth midwife carries it in places/states where they are unable to carry Pit. From Ronnie Falcao midwives' archives: http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/thirdstg.html (scroll down or do ctrl + F and search 'cytotec') lots of studies and personal stories from midwives)

 

 

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  Postpartum use of Cytotec/misoprostol is very different from prenatal or intrapartum use, i.e. before the baby is born.  During labor, before the baby is born, Cytotec can cause contractions that are too strong for the baby . . . they can squeeze the placenta so tight for so long that there's not enough oxygen getting through to the baby; this can cause severe fetal distress.  Or, if the baby is not fitting into the pelvis (obstructed labor), the very strong contractions caused by Cytotec can actually cause a tear in the birthing woman's uterine muscle, which is called a uterine rupture.

After the baby is born, contractions caused by Cytotec given to the mother no longer affect the baby.  After the baby is born, the risk of uterine rupture also goes away because once the baby is outside the mother's body, there is no possibility of an obstructed labor. 

 

 

 

(It's the same drug as misoprostol).

 

http://www.psi.org/our-work/healthy-lives/interventions/misoprostol-reduce-postpartum-hemorrhage

 

http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/17841

 

http://www.usp.org/pdf/EN/dqi/misoprostolReport.pdf 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15919088?dopt=Abstract

 

(among others)

 

Anyway, I just didn't think I'd have to defend a well-researched decision (that I would use only in an acute emergency situation) on this thread of all places, but I am trying to view your post as it was intended -- no hard feelings.

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Thanks for replying, I apologize too for being defensive! I have admittedly been hormonal lately (I cried for 20 minutes over a cartoon the other day, long story lol). I just wouldn't want anyone to think I would ever endanger mine or my baby's health/well-being and I do believe you were coming from a loving place. hug2.gif

 

I would NEVER use it in birthing ever... I would never even use it unless I really felt it was an emergency pph situation (after trying the natural things) -- which is weird that I'm even thinking about it because I don't anticipate that happening at all. I just want to cover all my bases. As far as the amount of blood, someone suggested what I thought was a brilliant way of knowing if it was 'too much' -- they said to measure out 2 - 2.5 cups of uncooked jello (like liquid) or ketchup mixed with water, and pour it on a chux, or a towel, or whatever. That way you can gauge by sight (in addition to how you're feeling obviously) what's 'normal' and what's getting into sketchy territory. Maybe I don't get out much but I thought that was brilliant lol...

post #73 of 240

ITA Tumble Bumbles, it is a tool to have if other avenues have been exhausted, fundal massage, sheperd's purse, cayenne, placenta chunk in mother's mouth in regard to PPH and one is presented w/ a PPH situation. This is my 11th, 8th planned UC. I have never had a PPH, I had more bleeding for my liking w/ my 7th. I go by how I feel not by a number in all aspects of my UP/UC care. I used sheperd's purse and it was effective for that situation, but I will have cytotec (misoprostol) on hand JIC I am ever presented w/ a severe bleed after birth. I live 45 minutes from the hospital so it only seems prudent.

post #74 of 240

Oh good, I'm glad I didn't offend you and you understood where I was coming from. I totally understand that hormonal thing.... I cried over the spilt milk the other day. lol

 

About the 2.5 cups of blood loss though, it IS VERY hard to determine the right amount because it could be a combined amount of chunks, blood fluid, and amniotic fluid. It's so hard to tell what's amniotic fluid vs. what's blood since it's all mixed together. Technically, the medical label of a hemorrhage is a blood loss of 500 cc's (about 2.5 cups). However, every woman feels it differently and this is why it's so hard to determine whether a mom needs intervention for hem. Some women can loose 500 cc's and be super dizzy while others it won't effect them until they've lost 1500! That's why it's always best to go by how you feel vs. what it looks like. smile.gif
 

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Thanks for replying, I apologize too for being defensive! I have admittedly been hormonal lately (I cried for 20 minutes over a cartoon the other day, long story lol). I just wouldn't want anyone to think I would ever endanger mine or my baby's health/well-being and I do believe you were coming from a loving place. hug2.gif

 

I would NEVER use it in birthing ever... I would never even use it unless I really felt it was an emergency pph situation (after trying the natural things) -- which is weird that I'm even thinking about it because I don't anticipate that happening at all. I just want to cover all my bases. As far as the amount of blood, someone suggested what I thought was a brilliant way of knowing if it was 'too much' -- they said to measure out 2 - 2.5 cups of uncooked jello (like liquid) or ketchup mixed with water, and pour it on a chux, or a towel, or whatever. That way you can gauge by sight (in addition to how you're feeling obviously) what's 'normal' and what's getting into sketchy territory. Maybe I don't get out much but I thought that was brilliant lol...

post #75 of 240
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About the 2.5 cups of blood loss though, it IS VERY hard to determine the right amount because it could be a combined amount of chunks, blood fluid, and amniotic fluid. It's so hard to tell what's amniotic fluid vs. what's blood since it's all mixed together. Technically, the medical label of a hemorrhage is a blood loss of 500 cc's (about 2.5 cups). However, every woman feels it differently and this is why it's so hard to determine whether a mom needs intervention for hem. Some women can loose 500 cc's and be super dizzy while others it won't effect them until they've lost 1500! That's why it's always best to go by how you feel vs. what it looks like. smile.gif
 


 


I agree. That is why I never tried to determine what 500cc's looks like. It is pointless to me, it matters how I am experiencing the first moments and hours postnatally.

post #76 of 240
I had a big-ish bleed after my c-section (hemoglobin was about 6 in the hospital) but felt totally fine! With my homebirth, I hardly bled at all (in comparison). I agree that it has so much more to do with the individual than the volume count. EveryBODY is different! innocent.gif

Well ladies, it looks like I am official! Had my ultrasound today and everything looks great. I was worried because at 20 weeks, I am just not feeling as much fetal movement as with my previous pregnancies. I know that the range for feeling movement is so great and varied - I am not a worrier by nature- but my mama instinct just said to check everything out before taking on the responsibility of a UC. Wednesday will be my breakup day with my midwife. I know she will have a copy of the ultrasound report and I want one, too, just for my records, so I will be visiting her in person.

I feel so liberated! And so excited and gracious to share this journey with so many amazing mamas! joy.gif
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Edited. 

 joy.gif


Edited by Tumble Bumbles - 4/10/11 at 5:02pm
post #78 of 240

I think it's important to go with your intuition and do what you feel is best and if that means getting a U/S, then do it. At this moment, I don't feel like I need a U/S but that may change later on and I say go with whatever your gut/intuition/God/ect. tells you.

 

Yay Tracy! I'm happy for you. It's important to do what you feel is best and I'm so glad to have some other ladies on here I can chat with going thru the same things. joy.gif

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Ugh. I called the vital statistics office to order this mythical "home birth packet" they say they provide on their website. The woman tells me it doesn't exist and that my midwife will take care of everything. So I had to sort of allude to the fact that we may not have a midwife and while she was very, very nice about it all, I got the sense that she was taking so much time talking to me in order to suss out whether I was a menace to society who was endangering my future child or not. I tried to come across as very well-spoken and informed, but I felt all nervous. I didn't give her any information, but now I'm a bit paranoid that they can somehow get CPS involved based solely on my cell phone (I said I was paranoid lol).  She was really pushing the option of having a health nurse come out after the baby is born to verify the birth took place in my county etc (for the birth certificate). Now I feel all vulnerable and 'out there' -- even though this is a legal (albeit unusual and frowned upon) option. I asked her how long it's been since they had someone unassisted and she said a long, long time. She said if I brought baby to vital statistics rather than having a health nurse come out that the health dept doctor would be "required" to look at him anyway. Ugh.

 

Someone talk me down please lol

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Ugh. I called the vital statistics office to order this mythical "home birth packet" they say they provide on their website. The woman tells me it doesn't exist and that my midwife will take care of everything. So I had to sort of allude to the fact that we may not have a midwife and while she was very, very nice about it all, I got the sense that she was taking so much time talking to me in order to suss out whether I was a menace to society who was endangering my future child or not. I tried to come across as very well-spoken and informed, but I felt all nervous. I didn't give her any information, but now I'm a bit paranoid that they can somehow get CPS involved based solely on my cell phone (I said I was paranoid lol).  She was really pushing the option of having a health nurse come out after the baby is born to verify the birth took place in my county etc (for the birth certificate). Now I feel all vulnerable and 'out there' -- even though this is a legal (albeit unusual and frowned upon) option. I asked her how long it's been since they had someone unassisted and she said a long, long time. She said if I brought baby to vital statistics rather than having a health nurse come out that the health dept doctor would be "required" to look at him anyway. Ugh.

 

Someone talk me down please lol



The "HB packet" won't be mailed to you in most states, never heard of anyone getting anything until baby arrived, until after your baby arrives and they confirm an actual baby exists. A ped note, baptism cert, or something else. It is the actual form that a midwife or dr/hospital would fill out. They can't just mail it out b/c then anyone could request one to get a false identity to acquire a false ss# to apply for credit. Just call after baby arrives, I promise it will be pretty simplistic and no one will be sent to your house. I don't take baby to ped so we use our baptismal cert. We baptize baby very soon after birth. I know that isn't an option for everyone.

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