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expose kids to chicken pox? - Page 3
Here's a random thought, and I am definitely no expert on this, but here goes. I can't help but wonder if maybe the reason it's getting harder to find chicken pox and other once common childhood diseases so you can "get exposed and just get it over with" is that most diseases are just continuing to follow a downward trend or naturally dying out, the way other diseases like scarlet fever and typhoid did. These charts show how most diseases were becoming less common even before vaccines came along due to better sanitation, nutrition, etc. As a kid in the 70's, I was exposed to other kids who got chicken pox, but I never got it. It seemed like a common enough but not really epidemic disease back then, but my family grew a huge garden and we ate a lot of vegetables (healthy diet) so maybe that may have had something to do with it? Some people may creditthe cp vaccine for the fewer cases of chicken pox but perhaps the disease itself is following the same general decline of all infectious diseases?
Interesting thought, but I don't think that CP has declined in countries that don't vax for it, and there are tons of them. CP vax is only done in a handful of countries as part of the official vax program. Funny enough, the rates of hysteria-about-natural-chicken-pox have skyrocketed in vaxing countries like the US!
I appreciate the others taking up the ridiculous argument that chiros earn their degree with 300 hours...beyond inaccurate and frankly irritates to me no end that someone would even start that argument here. Please have some idea what you are talking about before writing things....I was trying to gather opinions for my children's exposure to chicken pox and end up feeling like I need to educate someone who obviously has no idea what they are talking about....so frustrating to me! The Bureau of Labor Statistic, from the Department of Labor says:
Education and training. In 2009, 16 chiropractic programs in the United States were accredited by the Council on Chiropractic Education.
Chiropractic programs require a minimum of 4,200 hours of combined classroom, laboratory, and clinical experience.
(do your homework)
Really, going to disengage from this topic....hope the original confused member can refrain as well....
DS is finally on the mend....I believe that no new spots have come on and they seem to be healing well. DD has no spots at all, but spend one day with a fever and threw up twice....I read that 5 out of 100 people can have the disease with no pox (my brother was one of those cases) so maybe that is what happened? They are never sick--no flu or anything and the timing seems strange...we all ate the same food, etc...at some point in the future I will have titers checked and I guess we will know then.
My apologies to those following this thread. No clue how or why it got so off topic and my level of exhaustion has not helped my response to it. Lately I feel like a few people from Cafe mom-type places have been here....which is why I am on here less....anyway, thanks and I am sorry.
Otto, that seems a reasonable explanation for my source's error.
Sunfish21, I know you're really busy with sick kids, and I understand what that's like. That said, if you want to prove a point, providing evidence for it is not "homework" for people who disagree with you. What you've now demonstrated is that chiros have approximately 1/3 the hours training that doctors do.
My post honestly didn't come from a desire to attack chiropractors. It came from a place of concern about false expertise being offered as reassurance that deliberate chicken pox exposure is safe for an 11 month old. My personal experience with my younger dd makes me very concerned about potential serious consequences for illnesses in children under the age of 2. I probably wouldn't have freaked out if one of my children had caught chicken pox in the wild at that age, but I would never have deliberately exposed them to it. You asked for feedback on your plan for deliberate exposure and asserted that your chiropractor's statement was reassuring, and my personal experience leads me to be very concerned about risks for the very young. I really thought I was responding to your question.
It sounds like your kids are recovering well, and I'm glad their pox has been uncomplicated. I hope it leads to lasting immunity and you don't have to do the whole thing over again in a few years.
My post honestly didn't come from a desire to attack chiropractors. It came from a place of concern about false expertise being offered as reassurance that deliberate chicken pox exposure is safe for an 11 month old. My personal experience with my younger dd makes me very concerned about potential serious consequences for illnesses in children under the age of 2. I probably wouldn't have freaked out if one of my children had caught chicken pox in the wild at that age, but I would never have deliberately exposed them to it. You asked for feedback on your plan for deliberate exposure and asserted that your chiropractor's statement was reassuring, and my personal experience leads me to be very concerned about risks for the very young.
I agree with this poster-- I would never listen to my chiro over my pediatrician! The education is barely comparable. And if it is you need a new pediatrician. I really think, as parents, we need to take our child's best interest to heart. I would never intentially expose a baby (INFANT!) to an infectious disease such as chicken pox. It is just totally not worth it.
I am so unhappy with the way this thread has turned out...where are the holistic-minded mothers offering support and experience? Anyone thinking that I would do anything regarding my children's health without careful consideration doesn't know me. Unawareness is one thing--we can always learn. Close-mindedness is harder to deal with. It was never my desire to start any kind of debate on anything....what happened to my original post? Although it is *not* the point (I cannot seem to stress this enough), there are good pediatricians and bad; there are good chiropractors and bad; there is a wide spectrum of people and professions and continuing education. I find it so strange that people, on this forum no less, would be so quick to completely write-off the health care offered by one type of doctor (the degree is called Doctor of Chiropractic for a reason). It may not be what you would choose, but to say or imply that it is a bad choice, that I am trusting the opinion of someone who knows little to nothing, etc is beyond offensive to me. I listen careful to what the women at our local health foods/natural medicinal products store have to say, although many of them do not hold degrees. I greatly respected the information that my midwife's assistant had regarding herbs, although she is not a doctor. I am not sure what the problem on this thread has been, but it makes me less likely to use this community for information, as I am often not getting the help I am asking for. That makes me sad as I feel like this is the place I belong. For those that offered true opinions on the topic presented, when when they disagreed with me, thank you. I don't want blind approval, but I do expect others to have some knowledge base if they are going to critique my choices (personal or professional).
Chiropractors get a degree called "Doctor of Chiropractic" for marketing reasons. But, as your evidence shows, they have roughly 1/3 the amount of training that doctors do and a D.C. is not equivalent to a medical degree. Chiropractors don't even have hospital admitting privileges, so it's not like a chiro gets a lot of opportunities to see the results when his advice on exposure to infectious disease goes seriously wrong.
I take advice from lots of people too. But advice needs to be checked. I wouldn't trust my kids' pediatrician just because she has an MD, and I wouldn't trust a woman in the health food store just because she works around a lot of natural remedies. I take their expertise and advice into consideration and I do my best to check it independently before making decisions about what risks are appropriate for my particular children.
I'm sorry you're feeling alienated and sad.
This thread seems to have run its course and is now completely off topic, so I am going to close it. If you would like to continue the discussion regarding hours required for various forms of medical licensing, please feel free to start a new thread.