Mothering › Mothering Discussion Forums › Parenting › Family Safety › Do you consider microwave ok for baby's food?
New Posts  All Forums:
 

Do you consider microwave ok for baby's food? - Page 2

post #21 of 48

touche

 

there are different types of radiation obviously. i'm sorry i wasn't more specific. rolleyes.gif microwave radiation imo is the "bad" kind of radiation. imho, telling yourselves that "there are all kinds of radiation, so microwaves are just fine" is a salve to your consciences. microwave cooking is lazy. it is not harder to heat something on the stove or in a toaster oven. tastes better too. the fact that microwaves alter breast milk and destroy it tells me quite plainly that it destroys the nutrients in other foods too.

post #22 of 48

I often used the microwave to take the chill off of D's food when he was a baby.  As pp's have said, be sure to stir stir stir and test it to make sure you eliminate hot spots. 

 

btw, I love the micro for steaming veggies, just cut up, put in ceramic casserole with a little water, some butter, and seasonings, and cover with a glass lid.

post #23 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thyme Mama View Post

touche

 

there are different types of radiation obviously. i'm sorry i wasn't more specific. rolleyes.gif microwave radiation imo is the "bad" kind of radiation. imho, telling yourselves that "there are all kinds of radiation, so microwaves are just fine" is a salve to your consciences. microwave cooking is lazy. it is not harder to heat something on the stove or in a toaster oven. tastes better too. the fact that microwaves alter breast milk and destroy it tells me quite plainly that it destroys the nutrients in other foods too.


 

All cooking changes the composition of foods, including breastmilk.   When I was pumping and had extra to freeze rather than to feed fresh the next day, I found I had to scald my milk because I had a lipase issue and frozen/thawed milk had an unpleasant taste and my DD wouldn't touch it.    

 

In general, applying heat to foods changes them.  Some changes are beneficial, some aren't.   Long heating destroys several vitamins, such that quickly-microwaved veggies retain more of those vitamins.  Other nutrients are made more available through heating, as the heat breaks down cell walls and makes some cells more digestible.   

 

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that exciting water molecules changes the chemical composition of food any more than applying heat via a cast iron pan or plunging the food into boiling water. 

 

However, there is evidence that the browning effect that comes from roasting/grilling does produce carcinogens in foods. So does the baking or frying of starches.   Microwaves avoid all those reactions, preventing carcinogens from forming in your food.

post #24 of 48

No. Occasionally I use a microwave for my food, but not for my babe's. I havent really done the research, but it just seems like something I dont want to do. I will heat her food with hot water, or not at all. If I just cooked it , its warm. If its leftovers, its room temp or cold. She never seems to mind.

post #25 of 48
The first time I read this thread, I thought, Come on, this is ridiculous, there are no horrible effects from microwaving and microwaving isn't deforming molecules to change them to some mutated form that will kill you.
I still feel that way, however, I was interested in this and decided to do some reading and was really surprised by some of the things I found.
None of this information, by the way, is from any radical site that will remain unnamed, lol

I'm actually a chemist so I started reading some journal articles about microwave effects and there are two kinds. The thermal effects, which are the result of heating and the same effects you would get from cooking in other ways, and the non thermal effects which are unique to microwaving.
In the 80's and 90's, there were quite a few studies done that suggested the possibility of non thermal effects on food but more recent studies have disproved these results and conclude that there are no non thermal effects at all.
However,when I looked at some chemistry journal articles that are studies on the use of microwaves in applied chemistry, there are non thermal effects of microwaves on the reactants that are observed when the medium is non polar.
I'm now wondering if there could be some non thermal microwave effects on food that contain fats since they are non polar. If you melt butter in the microwave, is the effect on the butter molecules significant to food safety/quality because it is chemically different than when it is melted on the stove?
If the food is water soluble, there should be no non thermal effects and the heating reaction is the same as when you use the oven, stove, fire or whatever.

Although food cooked in the microwave does lose vitamin B, food cooked on the stove or in the oven loses many more vitamins that microwaving preserves. Also, there is a risk of carcinogen formation when food is cooked too well done on the stove, grill or oven that does not occur with microwaving.

I haven't found any studies that are available for no cost that look at these non thermal effects on foods that contain fats or other non polar solvents but it's interesting and I'm definitely going to continue to look into this.

From what I read though, overall, cooking with any heat source of course changes the molecules of the food and cooking on the stove/oven/fire, etc...has definitely been shown to cause carcinogen formation in some situations and pretty significant loss of nutrients.
Cooking in the microwave shows much less loss of nutrients and for the most part, seems to have thermal effects on molecules that are no different than cooking with other heat sources.
But now there is a question in my mind of whether the non thermal effects of microwaves have a significant effect on food when there are non polar solvents and what the ratio of polar/non polar solvents does to the formation of non thermal effects.

To answer the original OP's question, lol, I always reheat foods in the microwave for my children and the only thing I've ever worried about are the hot spots.
When I reheated breastmilk, I did it in warm water because the proteins are denatured faster in the areas where there are hot spots that form while microwaving. But if you heated it too high on the stove, that heat would have the same effect as the microwave heating.


ETA here is a link to one of the articles I read that talks about using the non thermal effects on reactions.
http://media.iupac.org/publications/pac/2001/pdf/7301x0161.pdf
post #26 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thyme Mama View Post

touche

 

there are different types of radiation obviously. i'm sorry i wasn't more specific. rolleyes.gif microwave radiation imo is the "bad" kind of radiation. imho, telling yourselves that "there are all kinds of radiation, so microwaves are just fine" is a salve to your consciences. microwave cooking is lazy. it is not harder to heat something on the stove or in a toaster oven. tastes better too. the fact that microwaves alter breast milk and destroy it tells me quite plainly that it destroys the nutrients in other foods too.


From an environmental perspective, microwaves use a lot less energy than a toaster oven or stove to produce the same amount of heat.

 

As far as different kinds of radiation, well, yes, there are. Microwaves are one type of electromagnetic radiation. Other types are radio waves and visible light (and microwave radiation is somewhere in between the two in terms of wavelength). I don't think these things are bad... I wonder if there's some confusion over the term "radiation"? In this situation the word is used in the sense of "to radiate" and has nothing to do with radioactivity.

 

 

post #27 of 48

 I agree with Thyme Mama...and I'm not the most perfect eater in the world...I eat cookies, ice cream, etc. but I cannot get on board with microwaved food. I took it out of my kitchen when my firstborn was about 6 months old. I do not miss it. The thought of microwaved food just grossed me out, especially after stumbling across information about microwaving just turned me off. Anyone read the study online about the cats being fed microwaved cat food? Yeah that's what did it for us. Also, I've heard and read most doctors, pediatricians, baby books etc. recommend against microwaving the breast milk. Yes I understand heating food of any method changes composition...but it's usually only microwaving that's strongly advised against. If it's so bad for breast milk, I think it would be bad for other foods as well. Even if I'm wrong about all of it, it's okay, we choose not to partake anyway. :)

post #28 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Babina's Mommy View Post

 Also, I've heard and read most doctors, pediatricians, baby books etc. recommend against microwaving the breast milk. Yes I understand heating food of any method changes composition...but it's usually only microwaving that's strongly advised against. If it's so bad for breast milk, I think it would be bad for other foods as well. Even if I'm wrong about all of it, it's okay, we choose not to partake anyway. :)



That's just because of the hot spots mentioned above.

post #29 of 48

Nope, even many mainstream sites and books recommend it because of the hot spots and also the negative breakdown of the composition, not just hot spots.

post #30 of 48

I use the microwave for reheating plates of food and when I quickly need melted butter, but that's about it.  We don't "cook" in it and we don't use plastic containers.  I think there are probably some not-so-great things about it, but there are not-so-great things about nearly every way we prepare food... pros and cons, benefits and drawbacks.  Moderation, balance, etc.

 

The point that I wanted to make, though, was that it shouldn't matter whether it's "baby food", because babies should just be getting real food anyway.  There's no real difference between "my food" and the food I give my babies.  Purees are unnecessary and not worth the effort.  So, "warming up baby food" becomes pretty irrelevant... it's either already warm because it's fresh-cooked, or you're reheating leftovers for everybody anyway.

post #31 of 48


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by savithny View Post


Well, since plants use radiation to MAKE food, and I eat plants, I guess my comfort level starts right there!    I'm a big fan of UVA and UVB radiation, myself, since it warms the earth, makes plants grow, and helps me make necessary Vitamin D.   Sure, too much of it DOES cause skin cancer, I guess ... but without it, we'd all die.  

 

Long story short: There are lots of kinds of "radiation."     



True... just choices of what you are comfortable with.

 

This is one of those hot topics that can make one's blood boil. 

 

We do not use microwaves and haven't now for oh... 4 years.   It personally just isn't in the cards for me.  My research and my gut says it just feels wrong, so that is why it is a no go.  I am so chemically sensitive that it is just one more bad energy out of my system. 

 

Oh... I am also one of those who cares about what pans are used too. 

post #32 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thyme Mama View Post

touche

 

there are different types of radiation obviously. i'm sorry i wasn't more specific. rolleyes.gif microwave radiation imo is the "bad" kind of radiation. imho, telling yourselves that "there are all kinds of radiation, so microwaves are just fine" is a salve to your consciences. microwave cooking is lazy. it is not harder to heat something on the stove or in a toaster oven. tastes better too. the fact that microwaves alter breast milk and destroy it tells me quite plainly that it destroys the nutrients in other foods too.


clap.gifLove it

post #33 of 48

Because of the breastmilk thing, I wouldn't microwave yogurt an expect the probiotics to do anything for me afterwards. But I think that a mix of microwaved broccoli and fresh broccoli will be healthier than fresh alone and far far better than only eating boiled veggies.

post #34 of 48
Thread Starter 

I'm pretty fond of the suns radiation too! Thanks for all the interesting discussion folks!

post #35 of 48
Thread Starter 

OP here again: I didnt see there was a 2nd page of comments when I replied above! Mom2M- Wow! The chemists perspective is very much appreciated. Looking forward to chceking out that link and to reading the other comments here. I really appreciate the discussion!

post #36 of 48
Thread Starter 

OP again: What happened to cats who ate microwaved food?

post #37 of 48
The study about cats eating cooked food is called the Pottenger cat study. It actually has nothing to do with eating microwaved food.
Pottenger was doing research on cats to test how strong adrenal extract was, by removing their adrenal glands and supplementing them with the extract to replace their adrenal gland function.
He noticed that when he ran out of his supply of cooked meat and had to substitute raw meat, the cats had better post op survival.

He decided to do a study on cooked vs raw meat in cats diet and found that cooking the meat denatured the protein and caused a deficiency in the amino acid taurine. As he bred the cats and continued to feed them cooked meat, mutations developed because of the lack of taurine.
Cats did fine on a diet of cooked meat when the food was supplemented with taurine after cooking.

He did NOT cook the meat in a microwave, lol

Somehow, this experiment got mixed in with people saying "hey, look, the cooking in the microwave deforms proteins and causes vitamin deficiency just like Pottenger's cat experiment so it must follow that the mutations seen in the future generations of his cats deprived of taurine will happen in humans!"
But he never cooked it in a microwave.

Looking at one of the more aggressively anti-microwave sites, they mention the cat study but add this to the end of it ""The overall experiment had some of the earmarks of the Pottenger cat studies, except that now human beings were test objects, the experiment's time-frame was shorter, and a new heat form was tested." Why this study is relevant to microwave use, I have yet to discover.
ETA link to this site http://www.all-natural.com/microwa1.html


Any heat source (as mentioned by pp) denatures proteins. http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Co-Di/Denaturation.html

Looking at studies on cow milk, because there are a lot of really good ones, you can see that protein denaturation is desirable in production of cheese and yogurt for example. Changing the structure of the proteins can make the texture different which is what you want in yogurt and cheese.
In this study, http://www.milkfacts.info/Milk%20Composition/protein.htm, there is an explanation of how this happens. Also, at the end it mentions pasteurization. If you scroll down to the last section, it talks about the effects of heat and mentions the effect of severe heating causing damage to some amino acids.
What I'm thinking (this is my opinion) is that when you heat breastmilk in the microwave, you get those hot spots and the possibility of losing important nutrients could be because those hot spots imitate severe heat results like they talk about here.
When warming slowly in water on the stove, the heat is better controlled and doesn't reach that severe heat treatment level.



Link to book on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Pottengers-Cats-Francis-Marion-Pottenger/dp/0916764060/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296920670&sr=1-1
post #38 of 48

Eh, I don't think it's the same study I originally read....here's part of it from http://owen.curezone.com/healing/trashmicrowave.html

 

 

 

 

Quote:
 

Andreas finishes up with a chilling story which I'll paraphrase. Russian scientists took thousands of healthy cats, and gave them nothing but nutritious and natural foods that had been heated in a microwave for just 1 minute. The result? In six months, all the cats were dead. When the scientists performed autopsies on some of the cats, they found that the animals had literally starved to death. The cells in their bodies contained no trace of nutrient components, even though the dead bodies looked well-fed. "Microwaves had turned their food into deadly poison." 

 

That just kind of turned me off. Let me just say first off the reason why most of us aren't dead from microwaving though, is because we don't eat every single meal or snack from the microwave all day, like the cats did. Like others have said, microwaving for us just doesn't feel right for us. My husband is not a health concious person really. He thinks I go too overboard looking for healthy things and pointing out non-healthy ingredients in products. But even for him, he didn't like the research on microwaves either and was thrilled to rid of it. I think people should do whatever they want. Including microwaving. I am not trying to persuade either way, it's just not for us.

post #39 of 48


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babina's Mommy View Post

Eh, I don't think it's the same study I originally read....here's part of it from http://owen.curezone.com/healing/trashmicrowave.html

 

 

 

 

Quote:
 

Andreas finishes up with a chilling story which I'll paraphrase. Russian scientists took thousands of healthy cats, and gave them nothing but nutritious and natural foods that had been heated in a microwave for just 1 minute. The result? In six months, all the cats were dead. When the scientists performed autopsies on some of the cats, they found that the animals had literally starved to death. The cells in their bodies contained no trace of nutrient components, even though the dead bodies looked well-fed. "Microwaves had turned their food into deadly poison." 

 

That just kind of turned me off. Let me just say first off the reason why most of us aren't dead from microwaving though, is because we don't eat every single meal or snack from the microwave all day, like the cats did. Like others have said, microwaving for us just doesn't feel right for us. My husband is not a health concious person really. He thinks I go too overboard looking for healthy things and pointing out non-healthy ingredients in products. But even for him, he didn't like the research on microwaves either and was thrilled to rid of it. I think people should do whatever they want. Including microwaving. I am not trying to persuade either way, it's just not for us.


The thing is... you have to consider the source. Anyone can write a book, or an article on the internet. A lot of the statements in this article are just blatantly false.

 

But don't believe me (or all of the peer-reviewed articles) to the contrary. I'd suggest that instead you try an experiment. The article claims that "microwave-treated water does not sprout seeds". That's an easy one to test. I suggest that you go buy six bean seeds, and plant each in a separate cup, and water three with water from your tap and three with water that someone has microwaved for a minute and then let cool. It would be best if you didn't know which water was which, so maybe you could get a friend to give you a gallon of plain water and a gallon of microwaved water and not tell you which was which until the end of the experiment. 

 

It might be a lot of fun for your kids... heck, if anyone's kids are looking for a science fair project this year they could take it on!

 

Oh, and my 19 year old cat has her food microwaved every day and she's, well, 19...  Mom2M's explanation of the cat food thing makes a lot more sense, and microwaving a serving of cat food for a minutes would definitely cook it thoroughly enough to destroy the taurine... as would cooking it in a saucepan. A few seconds is usually enough to take the chill off the food for Cozy, and then I stir it well... it makes it more palatable for her, and since she's a skinny old cat I indulge her a bit.

post #40 of 48
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the multiple cat study info, including skinny old cat study! I love the detailed and researched info here!

New Posts  All Forums:
 
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Family Safety
Mothering › Mothering Discussion Forums › Parenting › Family Safety › Do you consider microwave ok for baby's food?