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Thailand, or how about South Korea or Malaysia?

 

I know there is a lot of work teaching English in South Korea, and some in Thailand. If you want to pm me, I think I know someone who used to work in Thailand and Ill ask them about companies which are good to work for.

 

Also, you will have to think about daycare, being a single mother. I am not sure how good the day care is in Thailand. I would say do not bother coming here. You would have much the same problem, being a single mother, non-native. Homeschooling here is not forbidden, and any rules are ignored for non Japanese, or not wholly Japanese families.

 

Can I ask, do you work from home? That would leave options more open. I always liked Morrocco!

 

If I had the choice, I would say Thailand would be a good move if wanted to go to a second world country.

 

I do work from home. I am a journalist but can also do translating work, and plenty of other things. I lived in Korea pre-kids for a few years, and while I liked it, I think it would be extremely similar to what you describe in Japan with kids. Thanks for brains storming with me! I'm seriously looking into Thailand, and will consider South America too.
 

post #22 of 43

I would not.  I would try really, really, really hard to move.

post #23 of 43

I would move and home school.

post #24 of 43

Well I'm happy I made sense to you! LOL - I was just coming back to say that my husband *totally* disagreed with me! Guess it's a good thing we're not facing that decision right now. Though, really, I think if he was there, able to witness the situation in the schools, he might reconsider. His point was only that if the children were inevitably going to be essentially forced into the school system there, it might be better for them to have been part of it all along, in terms of being accepted and not calling undue attention to themselves by showing up a few years later with their family under some legal suspicion. Which I can see creating more issues at that point.. I mean, just as I fully support all of my gfs who send their kids to public school in starting with a pre-k program, if that's the system you choose for your children, it would make sense to prepare them for it and make their transition to it as uneventful as possible.

 

However. I personally would still homeschool and just fight it out with my man. duck.gif

 

And I really like your idea to have a hasty exit to the next country planned and ready to execute should things get hairy. thumb.gif

 

 

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post #25 of 43

Hey mittens! I think Korea is a little more welcoming than Japan and the culture a little warmer, but Thailand would be my choice too.

 

South America could be wonderful. I wonder if any of the moms in the South America tribe could help you decide?

 

I really hope you manage to get a move sorted out. I really feel for you in the situation you are in at the moment. It is so hard to live day to day with such bullying and racism against you and your children.

 

I asked myself where my childrens future lay. If they had a future here in Japan, would I want them to live here and stay here. My answer was a definate no. I do not want my children in university in the US and me sad in Japan, and missing them. I know it is a long way off, but how lovely it would be to know I could see my daughter for coffee and a chat whenever we wanted. How lovely to think that she would be happy and content in a way she could not be here. If she wanted to travel, she could.

 

It must be so difficult for you to leave. It is YOUR country too. How hurtful it must be for you to be rejected by your fellow (not sure where in eastern Europe you are!) countrymen and women. I know it hurt my daughters feelings badly.

 

I will be hoping for a happy outcome for you!

post #26 of 43

i'd really just have to weigh the benefits and the risks.  i don't think school is absolutely bad for children. if my kids did ok in school then they would go. if they were not ok in school and i couldn't remedy that then i'd have to weigh that with the risks of homeschooling illegally. i just can't see myself risking my children being taken by protective services or jail time for myself or any legal ramifications similar to those to be worth it in order to homechool unless i thought that my kids were at greater risk for emotional or physical harm from school for some reason.

post #27 of 43

It does not sound like you are happy where you are -and it does not sound like the country you live in is a good fit for your beliefs.  I would move.

 

To answer your question:

 

If I loved where I lived, or could not move, I would enrol the children in school if I did not feel the school/school system were toxic.

 

If I did not love where I lived, and could move, I would.  I would even move to a more expensive country if need be.  Yes, this might mean your child is in school while you work, but at least the option to HS is open.  Moreover, if your kids have to go to school (either by law or finances) they might as well do it in a country you are happy in and whose school system/environment you don't hate.

 

If I genuinely felt like I could not move and felt the school environment was toxic, I am not sure what I would do. I could see myself HSing illegally and only putting my kids in school if it came down to jail time versus school - but I really would not want to do that.    Thankfully, though, it sounds like you do not have to stay where you are.  You can move and will not be in this position.

 

 

 

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It does not sound like you are happy where you are -and it does not sound like the country you live in is a good fit for your beliefs.  I would move.

 

To answer your question:

 

If I loved where I lived, or could not move, I would enrol the children in school if I did not feel the school/school system were toxic.

 

If I did not love where I lived, and could move, I would.  I would even move to a more expensive country if need be.  Yes, this might mean your child is in school while you work, but at least the option to HS is open.  Moreover, if your kids have to go to school (either by law or finances) they might as well do it in a country you are happy in and whose school system/environment you don't hate.

 

If I genuinely felt like I could not move and felt the school environment was toxic, I am not sure what I would do. I could see myself HSing illegally and only putting my kids in school if it came down to jail time versus school - but I really would not want to do that.    Thankfully, though, it sounds like you do not have to stay where you are.  You can move and will not be in this position.

 

 

 

 

You're right. Thank you for posting. Honestly, I do not know if we will be able to move, but I certainly will try. As far as I remember, you are an intuitive and last year you came up with a new year's prediction that turned out to be very accurate. Do you have anything to say about this from that point of view?
 

post #29 of 43

Sorry tho hear about your dilemma! Just replying, really, to say - yey Suriname! It is my land of possible resettlement!

FWIW, I'd homeschool until I would get found out. Then, I'd look at alternatives, which would probably entail a move.

post #30 of 43

Are you in the EU?  Because that would make mobility a lot easier within the continent.  We're in Spain, and while homeschooling sort of falls into a legal black hole where it is neither explicitly legal or illegal, I feel pretty secure here.  There are numerous legal precedents ruling in favor of homeschooling families and active national and regional organizations. Options like Clonlara are an accepted safety net for people who are uncomfortable with being in a legal limbo. 

post #31 of 43
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Sorry tho hear about your dilemma! Just replying, really, to say - yey Suriname! It is my land of possible resettlement!

FWIW, I'd homeschool until I would get found out. Then, I'd look at alternatives, which would probably entail a move.


 

Really? Great to hear I am not the only one! What do you like about it? I have never actually been there but have some friends from there, and speak the language (Dutch).

post #32 of 43
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Are you in the EU?  Because that would make mobility a lot easier within the continent.  We're in Spain, and while homeschooling sort of falls into a legal black hole where it is neither explicitly legal or illegal, I feel pretty secure here.  There are numerous legal precedents ruling in favor of homeschooling families and active national and regional organizations. Options like Clonlara are an accepted safety net for people who are uncomfortable with being in a legal limbo. 



We're not in the EU, we're in Serbia. It might be joining the EU in the future, but that is still very unclear.

post #33 of 43

I haven't been there either, but I too speak the language or at least one of them. From what I can gather online and through speaking with people, it is a joyful, peaceful (now anyways), multicultural, relaxed country which is cheap to boot. I hear that about 3000 families from NL are settling there now every year. I'd love to visit. Uitzendinggemist.nl  -- ik vertrek featured a family moving there.

post #34 of 43
I'm not sure what I would do in your situation. I'd probably do my best to move. I live in Mexico and I'm homeschooling here. I have no idea if it's legal or not (I've heard it's not really regulated at all - if it's illegal, it's not actually enforced). However, the kids don't have any friends here - school and church are the social outlets, and we don't do either. They play with the boy next door occasionally, but it's not a close friendship. Luckily, we live close to San Diego, which has tons of homeschoolers, so that's where they have their friendships. Anyhow, it's cheap to live here and homeschooling has been easy, so I wanted to throw Mexico out as an alternative (also, not nearly as scary as the news would have you believe, at least not where I live.)
post #35 of 43

colombia is another place i think is affordable to live and it is not regulated. but i think not knowing spanish their could make life very isolating. i imagine in parts of mexico that would be less of a problem.

post #36 of 43
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I haven't been there either, but I too speak the language or at least one of them. From what I can gather online and through speaking with people, it is a joyful, peaceful (now anyways), multicultural, relaxed country which is cheap to boot. I hear that about 3000 families from NL are settling there now every year. I'd love to visit. Uitzendinggemist.nl  -- ik vertrek featured a family moving there.



Are you Dutch? :)

post #37 of 43
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I'm not sure what I would do in your situation. I'd probably do my best to move. I live in Mexico and I'm homeschooling here. I have no idea if it's legal or not (I've heard it's not really regulated at all - if it's illegal, it's not actually enforced). However, the kids don't have any friends here - school and church are the social outlets, and we don't do either. They play with the boy next door occasionally, but it's not a close friendship. Luckily, we live close to San Diego, which has tons of homeschoolers, so that's where they have their friendships. Anyhow, it's cheap to live here and homeschooling has been easy, so I wanted to throw Mexico out as an alternative (also, not nearly as scary as the news would have you believe, at least not where I live.)


I'm not easily scared ;) - I lived in one of the world's most demonized countries once, and am currently living in another! I heard very, very frightening things about both, bot found both countries to be safe in terms of street crime and such things are concerned. I think South America might be a great fit for us, and we have never been there so that would make a nice change too. I am sorry your son has not made any friends yet, that a shame. How about you? Did you make any friends? We don't currently attend any organized religious services either, so we might be in the same boat. I have always found I make a few friends from language classes when I move to a new country. Do you speak the language fluently? How is the job market?


My requirements are:

 

- Great civil liberties or at least non-regulated

- Friendly to one-parent/queer families

- Cheap. Over here, we could survive off $1,000 quite comfortably, what is the cost of living over there?

- I work from home, but would welcome job opportunities locally as well. Are there any?

 

Frankly, I am done with being the outsider, and I don't want to move someplace where it will be even worse. I'd like to not be discriminated against because of my ethnicity, parenting choices, or family make-up. Is that feasible? This thread has been quite eye-opening. I loved this country before I had kids, but it has become increasingly difficult. My 4 yo already very much sees this country has HER country, and is hurt by comments to the contrary. I think moving might be difficult for her, but maybe not. In any case, I would like both my kids to simultaneously be able to be themselves, and to be accepted into society.

 

post #38 of 43
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colombia is another place i think is affordable to live and it is not regulated. but i think not knowing spanish their could make life very isolating. i imagine in parts of mexico that would be less of a problem.



I heard Colombia is very cheap too. That sounds nice. Paraguay is also cheap, I think, and beautiful. I don't speak Spanish, but can learn.

post #39 of 43

I'm not  homeschooling parnent, so I won't reply as to what I'd do as my child is in public school...

 

However, I was homeschooled in the '80's. It was less accepted, and altho legal, many people didn't know it was, so my family got reported a few times.

 

It was horrible. I lived in fear of social services. What made it hard was my parents' stance that they would homeschool no matter what. Even if my brother and i ended up in foster care. I don't get that-if our kids get taken away, they will be sent to school anyhow, and won't have their family there for support.

 

So, altho I don't think homeschooling should be illegal, subjecting your child to that kind of fear is absolutely inexcusable.  I was in an abusive home and was scared of being taken away...I can't imagine how scary it would be to have to fear that an otherwise loving parent parent would rather be taken from you, (or have you taken) than send you to school.

 

 

 

post #40 of 43

--Are you Dutch? :)

 

Born, raised, escaped :)

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