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Also the true fit comes with an infant insert that works great!

post #22 of 57

 

 

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I understand about no coats in the car seats, but with a bucket, you can put a blanket over them without interfering with the straps. I'm not hauling him into a Mei Tai while dragging the long straps through slush puddles. Not to mention, what about my coat? I don't always want to wear my baby and a coat underneath once we are inside.

 

I just wanted to address this, because this problem is fixable.  :)

 

First, you can put a blanket over babies in a convertible too.  No coats under the straps, use blankets, it's the SAME whether using a bucket or a convertible.

 

As for the mei tai -- what you do is you put it on at home.  Wear it *under* your coat.  Baby doesn't need a heavy coat of his own because he's in your coat and using your body heat.  You need a coat that's large enough, obviously, and don't zip it all the way to the top so baby has air (keeping baby breathing is a good thing ;)  ) or a specialized babywearing coat.  Unzip your jacket and loosen the mei tai a bit to take baby out but don't completely untie it, baby goes into the car seat, blanket over baby.  Leave the mei tai on under your re-zipped coat while you drive wherever you're going.

 

When you arrive, reverse the process.  Get baby into the mei tai, then snug up the straps.  Mostly zip your coat over baby, you're good to go.  This same procedure works with any kind of sling carrier.  The main advantage of the specialized babywearing jackets is that there's an opening for baby's head or just for airflow, so you can still have neck coverage for yourself.  If you're serious about babywearing and live in a cold region, it's worth considering the investment.  But a large enough jacket will do *almost* as well in *most* situations.  And with baby under your coat, you get the warmth for baby without them needing a heavy jacket, and you can just take off your coat when you get inside without having to re-do the whole sling situation.  

 

It takes a little practice to do all this, of course, but once you've got the hang of it it's a piece of cake.  Personally, I found it easiest when using a stretchy wrap.  The 'give' in a stretchy wrap means I don't have to loosen anything.  I could pop her in and out, just leaving it tied on.  

 

Again, it seems to me that these reasons people have for using the bucket apply equally well to older babies, they're not exclusive to bucket-sized babies.  "What about the straps dragging, what about my coat?"  Those problems don't magically go away when baby is older, you'll still have to figure out how to get your baby from the car into the store or wherever when they've outgrown the bucket.  So since you have to deal with it ANYWAY, it just seems simpler to me to figure it out when baby is smaller and more easily portable.  ;)   

 

There are also thousands of babies injured every year in bucket-related accidents that were NOT in cars.  Either from buckets being dropped, like shopping carts falling over, or from the bucket itself not working -- there have been recalls over handles failing, for instance.  I really just wish they would stop marketing them as *carriers*.  

 

post #23 of 57
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We live in a cold area (Canada!)  It doesn't matter whether they're in a bucket or a convertible, you CANNOT put them in a snowsuit in a carseat.  They cannot buckle safely.  They have to wear something light, like a fleece sweater, and then you do the rest with blankets, jackets on backwards, etc.  Whether bucket or convertible, no difference there.  

 

When it came time for putting her in and taking her out, I just learned to do it quickly and stuff her into the sling, which was usually under my coat (I had a nice babywearing jacket, but any large coat can do the trick).  She was warmer snuggled in with my body warmth than she would have been inside her own plastic bucket, no matter how many blankets she had.  Blankets only preserve existing heat, they don't *create* heat.

 

 This is the equvilant of saying that hats/coats/mitts don't create heat they just preserve heats. Covers/blankets etc help hold in the heat and the key is they keep the cold out.

post #24 of 57

No bucket and no regrets.  We use a TrueFit and have sice birth.  We live in Canada and it is bitter cold, but it only takes a few seconds to get my babe into a baby carrier and I'm not worried about her being exposed to the cold for a few seconds.  I do preheat my vehicle before putting her in her carseat.  With my first kid we used a bucket and I lugged my ds around in that thing and it was a PITA. 

post #25 of 57

I never used a bucket. I don't understand how anyone can use and carry one of those things *with* the baby in it. Talk about back pain!

I borrowed one once on vacation and couldn't imagine how I was going to get through the week carrying the stupid thing the 10 steps up to the house... Finally I decided to leave the thing in the car and spare my back.

post #26 of 57
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I understand about no coats in the car seats, but with a bucket, you can put a blanket over them without interfering with the straps. I'm not hauling him into a Mei Tai while dragging the long straps through slush puddles. Not to mention, what about my coat? I don't always want to wear my baby and a coat underneath once we are inside.

 

I just wanted to address this, because this problem is fixable.  :)

 

First, you can put a blanket over babies in a convertible too.  No coats under the straps, use blankets, it's the SAME whether using a bucket or a convertible.

 

As for the mei tai -- what you do is you put it on at home.  Wear it *under* your coat.  Baby doesn't need a heavy coat of his own because he's in your coat and using your body heat.  You need a coat that's large enough, obviously, and don't zip it all the way to the top so baby has air (keeping baby breathing is a good thing ;)  ) or a specialized babywearing coat.  Unzip your jacket and loosen the mei tai a bit to take baby out but don't completely untie it, baby goes into the car seat, blanket over baby.  Leave the mei tai on under your re-zipped coat while you drive wherever you're going.

 

When you arrive, reverse the process.  Get baby into the mei tai, then snug up the straps.  Mostly zip your coat over baby, you're good to go.  This same procedure works with any kind of sling carrier.  The main advantage of the specialized babywearing jackets is that there's an opening for baby's head or just for airflow, so you can still have neck coverage for yourself.  If you're serious about babywearing and live in a cold region, it's worth considering the investment.  But a large enough jacket will do *almost* as well in *most* situations.  And with baby under your coat, you get the warmth for baby without them needing a heavy jacket, and you can just take off your coat when you get inside without having to re-do the whole sling situation.  

 

It takes a little practice to do all this, of course, but once you've got the hang of it it's a piece of cake.  Personally, I found it easiest when using a stretchy wrap.  The 'give' in a stretchy wrap means I don't have to loosen anything.  I could pop her in and out, just leaving it tied on.  

 

Again, it seems to me that these reasons people have for using the bucket apply equally well to older babies, they're not exclusive to bucket-sized babies.  "What about the straps dragging, what about my coat?"  Those problems don't magically go away when baby is older, you'll still have to figure out how to get your baby from the car into the store or wherever when they've outgrown the bucket.  So since you have to deal with it ANYWAY, it just seems simpler to me to figure it out when baby is smaller and more easily portable.  ;)   

 

There are also thousands of babies injured every year in bucket-related accidents that were NOT in cars.  Either from buckets being dropped, like shopping carts falling over, or from the bucket itself not working -- there have been recalls over handles failing, for instance.  I really just wish they would stop marketing them as *carriers*.  

 


Yeah, but what do you do when you need to take them out of the convertible? I know! Drop the blanket into the snow/slush. Wheee! Been there, done that. Not doing it next time. I do admire your coordination though, because, honestly, your Mei Tai suggestion? Um not workable for me.

 

A bucket it is for my next one.

post #27 of 57
This is one of those things that I think depends on the baby, too. DS1 hated the whole process of getting in and out of the carseat. He also was a pretty crap sleeper, but he sometimes fell asleep in the car seat. It was very nice to be able to leave him in the bucket when we made short trips into places. If he fell asleep, he could keep sleeping. He didn't have to be refastened at the end of the trip. DD slept through anything, was an easy baby, loved to snuggle up in the sling. She wouldn't wake up on the trip from the car seat and into the sling and back again. I still used the bucket, but I rarely took it out of the car. DS2 was a little of both. He was preterm and a tiny guy, though. He wouldn't have been safe in the convertible, even if we had wanted to use it. He was 8 months or so before I felt like the straps on the Britax really fit him securely. My first two only stayed in the buckets for about 4 months each, because they were very, very tall babies and outgrew them by height by about 16 weeks, maybe even sooner.
post #28 of 57

Had a convertible with my first, liked it.  Have a bucket now with my 3 week old, and hate it.  I never use the bucket part.  It's much easier to walk up an icy or snowy path (long unplowed driveway) with a baby in the wrap then to carry a bucket around. 

post #29 of 57

My DD loves her bucket seat. When I can't get her to sleep anywhere -- not even in my arms, rocking her, or a sling -- she will often sleep in the infant car seat -- not just in the car, mind you, but in the seat on the living room floor! And if I had a convertible and had to take her out every time and wake her from peaceful slumber to hold her she would have been so upset and screamed a good long while, especially when she was little and especially particular about such things. 

 

I joke sometimes that she's not just as crunchy as I am. For my DD, the bucket was definitely the way to go.

post #30 of 57
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This is one of those things that I think depends on the baby, too. 


This is so true---but how do you plan for this when the baby is not here yet? LOL We want to have the car seat on hand early, but obviously cannot know the baby's personality. So...is a bucket that never leaves the car basically the same as a convertible? (i.e. making a bucket the "safer" choice, in terms of personalty fit, not accident safety, since if the baby doesn't "require" being carried sleeping in the bucket, you can just leave it strapped in at all times?)  If the bucket never leaves the car, what are the advantages a convertible can give me that will outweigh the advantage of the bucket, for example, being able to strap the LO in, say, on the table/washing machine, somewhere higher up where I can save my bad back? 

 

This is such a hard decision! I can't say that money is "no object", but car seats are one area where I am willing to spend if I have to (i.e. a bucket plus a convertible later) and find ways to save on other things. 

 

 

post #31 of 57

Honestly if money isn't that big of a concern I would just buy the bucket and the convertible now.  I was gifted a great convertible seat for my ds and didn't really have the money to buy a bucket for him, so I didn't.  All in all I never needed one.  But there were a few times (maybe 6?) it would have been handy to have.  And other people (including many MDC moms) seems to swear by them for certain things (like naps out in public while tiny).  So chances are you will get some use out of it.  And if not, you could probably gift it or sell it or something to someone else later.

post #32 of 57
If money isn't a huge concern, I'd get a bucket now and a convertible later. A bucket that never leaves the car is basically the same as a convertible, but it's more likely to fit a newborn comfortably. The main advantage that a convertible has over an infant seat is that it will last longer and therefore save you money in the long run.
post #33 of 57
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I understand about no coats in the car seats, but with a bucket, you can put a blanket over them without interfering with the straps. I'm not hauling him into a Mei Tai while dragging the long straps through slush puddles. Not to mention, what about my coat? I don't always want to wear my baby and a coat underneath once we are inside.

 

I just wanted to address this, because this problem is fixable.  :)

 

First, you can put a blanket over babies in a convertible too.  No coats under the straps, use blankets, it's the SAME whether using a bucket or a convertible.

 

As for the mei tai -- what you do is you put it on at home.  Wear it *under* your coat.  Baby doesn't need a heavy coat of his own because he's in your coat and using your body heat.  You need a coat that's large enough, obviously, and don't zip it all the way to the top so baby has air (keeping baby breathing is a good thing ;)  ) or a specialized babywearing coat.  Unzip your jacket and loosen the mei tai a bit to take baby out but don't completely untie it, baby goes into the car seat, blanket over baby.  Leave the mei tai on under your re-zipped coat while you drive wherever you're going.

 

When you arrive, reverse the process.  Get baby into the mei tai, then snug up the straps.  Mostly zip your coat over baby, you're good to go.  This same procedure works with any kind of sling carrier.  The main advantage of the specialized babywearing jackets is that there's an opening for baby's head or just for airflow, so you can still have neck coverage for yourself.  If you're serious about babywearing and live in a cold region, it's worth considering the investment.  But a large enough jacket will do *almost* as well in *most* situations.  And with baby under your coat, you get the warmth for baby without them needing a heavy jacket, and you can just take off your coat when you get inside without having to re-do the whole sling situation.  

 

It takes a little practice to do all this, of course, but once you've got the hang of it it's a piece of cake.  Personally, I found it easiest when using a stretchy wrap.  The 'give' in a stretchy wrap means I don't have to loosen anything.  I could pop her in and out, just leaving it tied on.  

 

Again, it seems to me that these reasons people have for using the bucket apply equally well to older babies, they're not exclusive to bucket-sized babies.  "What about the straps dragging, what about my coat?"  Those problems don't magically go away when baby is older, you'll still have to figure out how to get your baby from the car into the store or wherever when they've outgrown the bucket.  So since you have to deal with it ANYWAY, it just seems simpler to me to figure it out when baby is smaller and more easily portable.  ;)   

 

There are also thousands of babies injured every year in bucket-related accidents that were NOT in cars.  Either from buckets being dropped, like shopping carts falling over, or from the bucket itself not working -- there have been recalls over handles failing, for instance.  I really just wish they would stop marketing them as *carriers*.  

 


Yeah, but what do you do when you need to take them out of the convertible? I know! Drop the blanket into the snow/slush. Wheee! Been there, done that. Not doing it next time. I do admire your coordination though, because, honestly, your Mei Tai suggestion? Um not workable for me.

 

A bucket it is for my next one.



I don't think she was telling you you couldn't get a bucket, winky.gif just giving suggestions for how to deal with the issues you presented, which don't have much to do with caseat choice. I have a down vest that I wear when I'm just going in and out of a store or something, it's my dh's so it's big enough to snap around myself and my baby, I use mostly a baby k'tan but also a ring sling and an ergo, I don't like mei tais or wraps much because they're just harder to deal with when I'm out and about for the reasons you mentioned. I just keep my carrier on under my vest and I'm plenty warm to walk a short distance. If I'm going to be outside for a while I'll wear my babywearing vest (I have a peekaru) and my coat over top. It's all over my carrier though so I don't have to take my carrier off and put my baby down once I get inside.

 

As for what you do when you need to take the baby out of the convertible seat, well, put the blanket over the back of the seat or hold it in the other hand or on the floor of the car or on the seat beside the baby's seat or in the seat in front or...

post #34 of 57

I started off baby #3 in his True Fit.  I also had a bucket that my SIL gave me that we also used, but I just didn't see the convenience. I took it out of the car ONCE to take it in Costco, and then my son woke up 2 minutes later, so I had to pick him up and cuddle him and figure out what to do with the cart, bucket and other kids.  ;)  I ended up sending DH to the car to return the bucket and grab my wrap.  

 

My routine was to put the wrap on at home (I generally just wore it all the time at home anyway), then get baby out of the seat and slip him into the wrap, and sometimes I would tuck a blanket around the outside of the wrap just so I had it, so it would be warm to put him back into his seat when we were ready to leave.  

 

I'm not coordinated enough to use a tie carrier, :lol but I love my Beco, Ergo and stretchy wrap carrier.  The transition isn't that difficult especially after the first couple of tries.  

post #35 of 57

I had buckets with #1 and #2 but skipped it with #3.  I just remember them being so heavy and bulky that they were hard to take anywhere anyway.  DS3 is 5 months old and I've yet to have an experience where I thought "Oh, I can't do this, I don't have a bucket!".  It's the middle of Minnesota winter, too, and it hasn't been an issue.  Light fleece bunting and bunches of blankets work fine.

post #36 of 57

I used a bucket with DS1, and a convertible with DS2. I preferred the convertable. I live in a cold climate (WI), and DS2 was a winter baby. I really didn't find it that hard to quickly pop him out of the convertable and into a Moby Wrap. He stayed warm in the Moby wearing just a fleece and a hat and mittens with a fleece blanket thrown over him even in the dead of winter, and it was so much easier on my back than carrying a bucket around. I did not regret the decision at all.

post #37 of 57

I liked having a bucket seat for these reasons:

 

-my baby was small, 5.5 pounds at birth, and would have felt lost in a convertible, even though they are rated for 5 lbs up.

 

-we lived in Arizona, the plastic and metal parts would get so hot if left in the car they could have easily burnt the baby in a fraction of a second, I liked being able to bring the bucket into the house 30 minutes before going anywhere to let the seat cool off before putting baby in it.

 

-I like being able to use the same seat for 2 cars (having 2 bases)

 

-We have a Radian80 now, if I had to put it at a 45 degree angle for a newborn no-one would be able to sit in the passenger front seat, I suspect it is like this for many convertibles in compact or midsize cars.

 

-FWIW I rarely carried the bucket with DS in it, but there were maybe a dozen times he fel asleep in the carseat and it was very convenient to just bring him into the house sleeping and get a 10 or 15 minute break!

post #38 of 57

We're starting with a convertible for this one.  I learned with DD I didn't need a bucket, since she hated it.  She was so much happier when we switched her to a convertible at 4 weeks.  I found it easier to pop her into a carrier and then deal with DS anyways vs carrying the baby bucket.  I never worried about the blankets falling on the ground, since they were just as likely to do that with the bucket as well.  I also just put on the carrier before I got in the car and popped baby in and then tightened it, it worked fine.  Since even if DD fell asleep in the bucket she was awake by the time we got out of the car and screaming in her bucket, the whole letting her sleep thing didn't work either.  She was far more likely to fall back asleep in the carrier then the bucket.   She also fit the convertible much better then the bucket, it almost felt like she was swimming in the bucket, while she looked much more comfortable and like she fit better with the convertible.

 

With this one we have a small car and have to fit 3 car seat in our backseat.  The easiest way to do this is with a convertible for the baby, in fact I don't think I can do it with a baby bucket.  So baby is likely going to be in a Coccoro while DS will be in a forward facing Radian and DD will be in a rear facing Radian.  I don't think there is any other way to make the car seats fit my car other then to go for 3 Radians, which would work, but I prefer the Coccoro for newbie since it is a bit smaller for a newborn and I don't have to put the seat as far forward with it.

post #39 of 57

We had a bucket and hated it too. I did not find it convienient to carry that dang thing around. I switched to the convertible at like 2 m/o and it was much better. I would just pop her out even if sleeping and place her on my chest in the cradle position in a wrap (already wrapped around me) It was soooooo much easier and she got used to being taken out. She's 15 m/o in the same seat and I can take her out and she will continue sleeping.

 

Don't waste the money!

post #40 of 57

I started with just a convertible with DS1, and found he was really too small for it. He was average size, but still really didn't fit. We have a Britax Roundabout. Maybe if I'd started with a TrueFit, it would have been a different story. We ended up buying the cheap Snugride to tide us over until he grew a bit. I agree it's a pain of a carseat, but he did fit in it better. Now with DS2 we are borrowing a Chico KeyFit 30, and I LOVE it. So comfortable for the LO and I feel like he fits in it really well. I wear him almost all the time, but still find it useful to have the carseat in the house to warm it up a bit, put him in and cover him with a blanket before I carry him out. We don't have severe winters, but little newborns just don't have much cold tolerance, so it's nice to be able to make those transitions gentler. Having the option of getting him strapped in while we are still in the house also makes the juggling act of getting both kids in the car a little easier for me.

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