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How getting measles this week has made this non-vaxer think hard.

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So my daughter got measles and my husband got it, too. We have been traveling domestically and have not been home, but we were no where that was obvious to catch it. My daughter is your classic unvaxed child with an outstanding immune system. She broke out into her fever and developed a cough, and it did just look like any other cold/ virus in the beginning. The first big thing I learned is that I am sadly unusual that when my child is sick, she doesn't go out. She was conveniently quarantined, visiting grandparents, even before she became contagious, and has therefore, been in contact with no one outside of us. That has made this much easier to get through knowing her case ends with her.

 

On day 4, the rash on her face appeared, and I wanted to know what I was dealing with. The internet pictures are so "worst case scenario" that it was hard to find a match with the rash she had on her face. At the ped's office, the doctor was lovely and gave me no grief about non-vaxing (shocker!). He claimed he hadn't seen a case in 20 years. Measles is a reportable disease, so he explained he had to call the county health department, and then they kept us there so that they could come and take pictures of my daughter. This is where things could have turned bad. Some people may crumble under this bureaucracy experience by feeling helpless or by feeling angry and invaded. I handle these types of situations pretty well, so I was always able to appear willing to comply with what they wanted to do, yet I actually declined everything. I did not allow photographs or bloodwork to confirm the case. Had my daughter been in school, for example, and exposed others, I probably would have surrendered to it all to help them contain an outbreak. 

 

We are on day 7 with my daughter and she is healing by the book. I am aware of the potential for complications and am being overly conservative about how long she have to endure bedrest, 2 weeks from start to finish.

 

To make things more fun, I am pregnant, and had to decide whether or not to receive the measles immunoglobulin . My rubella titres are good, so I am going to assume that my measles titres from my MMR are good, too.

 

None of this has actually made me think that differently about my vaccine choices for my child. I have always felt that the MMR was far more effective than others on the schedule, and it would have always been the "one" I would have done. But I am very happy that my daughter will have lifetime immunity to it, too. I will also hope for her to get chicken pox, rubella, and mumps on her own, too. But then I think I will do titres in highschool for her and get her vaccinated for which ever three she still lacks. Those are the only ones I am interested in. I think bacterial vaccines are still a public health menace as much as a help.

 

The wrench in this plan was my husband catching measles, too. I never saw that coming. This is far more serious, of course. He was vaccinated as a child, too, but I had highschool and college boosters that he may not have gotten. I am sure he will be fine, but we are very fortunate that we coincidentally are with retired grandparents to help us with this incredibly long nursing process. My husband has the type of job that he can miss this much work to heal properly, and others are not in the same boat. He is recovering, but at a much slower pace than my daughter.

 

This experience has made me rethink my vaccine choices for myself. I never had pox and I showed no antibodies to it. I am now going to get the pox vaccine after the birth of this baby so that I can hopefully nurse my kids through it when they get it, and I will make my husband get it too if his titres don't show. There is no way that the next time this happens we will conveniently have grandparents ( who live in another state) around to help like this time.

 

I felt like others on this board might appreciate hearing about my experience, since this is still relatively uncommon.

 

Here's to all of us making the best possible choices for our families, whatever they may be, in promoting good health.

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Edited by member234098 - 6/4/12 at 8:01am
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6, a good age to have it

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Did you see Koplick's spots? If not, you can't be sure it was measles without a blood test. Next time she gets a blood test for something, you can add on a measles IgG and see if she has evidence of exposure. A positive IgG will not be reported to the health department, because it is evidence of a past, not current infection.

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She had had the spots in her mouth too.

 

I agree natural immunity is far superior, but we cannot get natural immunity to rubella if we don't get exposed to it. 

 

Just because I feel I can't risk natural immunity anymore doesn't mean that I don't believe that is best for my daughter. 

 

I absolutely wish the MMR had not been so effective in making natural immunity so hard to acquire. I also think so many women without natural immunity is most dangerous for newborns of mothers who do not have natural immunity.

 

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OP, I am curious do you know from where your DD contracted measles? Was this part of an outbreak or a single case? 

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No clue at all. we have been traveling visiting family, none of them children. Had to be completely random exposure at a public place. I keep watching the cdc stats and nes for any cases in areas we have been in but there are none, so I am led to believe a flight was likely.

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http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/vaccine-efficacy-how-often-do-vaccines-work/varicella/

 

  Hi, thought I'd give you some info on pox.  I actually wish my kids would catch MM, and I think the likely of it is pretty slim, unless I find an outbreak.  And...it is possible to catch Measles again.  I know families this has happened to.  

  As for CP-our boys and dh caught it last Feb.  It was a domino effect, with the youngest coming down w/ it, then his older brother and dh.  It really wasn't bad for dh, other than him taking a day off work I think.  They actually made him work the first day.  I still had immunity to it, so took care of everyone.  I'm very glad they caught it, and glad to my re-exposure to the natural virus.  It's getting harder to get re-exposed to these viruses, and like Miriam said, at some point, women will no longer have natural immunity to pass on-and that's a problem.  I'm sure there are already generations facing this problem.  

  Curious, when do you plan to get the vaccine?  It's a live vaccine and sheds.  I wouldn't think you'd want to expose a nb to it?

 For stats-you could do a measles check on WHO or CDC.  Though, here at least, they don't report CP, so who knows how accurate the outbreak numbers are for MMR.

http://www.healthmap.org/en/

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My mother is one of those rare people who does not register immunity to measles. She had it several times while growing up. Her OB/GYN did not believe her when she was pregnant with me and insisted that she'd had measles more than once. She brought him medical records to show diagnosed cases, and yet the titres he ordered showed that she had never had it.

 

I came down with the measles when I was about a year old, before I was old enough for the MMR at the time. Obviously I don't remember anything from my measles experience, but according to my mother, it was a typical childhood illness and not overly worrisome.

 

Pinkytulip, I hope your daughter and your husband both recover very soon. ((hugs)) to you, Mama.
 

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http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/vaccine-efficacy-how-often-do-vaccines-work/varicella/

 

  Hi, thought I'd give you some info on pox.  I actually wish my kids would catch MM, and I think the likely of it is pretty slim, unless I find an outbreak.  And...it is possible to catch Measles again.  I know families this has happened to.  

  As for CP-our boys and dh caught it last Feb.  It was a domino effect, with the youngest coming down w/ it, then his older brother and dh.  It really wasn't bad for dh, other than him taking a day off work I think.  They actually made him work the first day.  I still had immunity to it, so took care of everyone.  I'm very glad they caught it, and glad to my re-exposure to the natural virus.  It's getting harder to get re-exposed to these viruses, and like Miriam said, at some point, women will no longer have natural immunity to pass on-and that's a problem.  I'm sure there are already generations facing this problem.  

  Curious, when do you plan to get the vaccine?  It's a live vaccine and sheds.  I wouldn't think you'd want to expose a nb to it?

 For stats-you could do a measles check on WHO or CDC.  Though, here at least, they don't report CP, so who knows how accurate the outbreak numbers are for MMR.

http://www.healthmap.org/en/

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Originally Posted by mcgee View Post

My mother is one of those rare people who does not register immunity to measles. She had it several times while growing up.



I was vaccinated for measles, contracted them, was vaccinated again and contracted them a second time.  The doctors did not believe my mother that I had been vaccinated the first time and vaccinated me again when she brought me in with measles.   

post #11 of 104

Isn't MMR one of the vaccines that sheds?  So isn't it possible to catch one of the VPD's from someone who has been vaccinated with it recently if you have no immunity?

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Isn't MMR one of the vaccines that sheds?  So isn't it possible to catch one of the VPD's from someone who has been vaccinated with it recently if you have no immunity?


Yes, but you would have to be around a pediatric population, I would think, to make that even remotely likely. I don't believe that is this case here. I think shedding occurs more often in the stool so someone changing diapers at daycare, for example, without proper hygiene is a realistic scenario.

post #13 of 104

Rotavirus and oral polio vaccines shed through the stool. MMR can shed, but not through the stool.

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Pinkytulip - Can I ask what state/area you were traveling through?  Measles seems so uncommon.  Anecdotally, I never hear about a case. 

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how does it shed and can you give source? no possibility through stool? I know I've read that before, but, could have been in error

post #16 of 104

Or, a toddler was recently vaxed, somebody changed the diaper in a public place and didnt' wash their hands properly, touched a surface (restroom doorknob, for example) that your daughter later touched and then she put her hands in her mouth.

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Edited by member234098 - 6/4/12 at 8:01am
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I was in a similar quandry.

 

Getting pertussis before my first child's birth and being thru a complete horror (it lasted 3 months ... it involves literal asphysiation w/each coughing bout) ... it made me decide that I would vax.  I wasn't so worried about adults getting it.  But the absolute terribleness of complications in newborns (which we were facing) is what made me decide being part of the herd and vaxing was the right thing to do.  

 

But I sure understand why people don't vax, or do a modified schedule.  A good friend of mine didn't vax her son, went thru hell to avoid it, was forced by her public school to "catch up" (long story) ... and her son had an moderate allergic reaction.  But he was 5 going on 6.  She clearly did the right thing by avoiding the vaxes for so long.  What if he had been a newborn with the allergic reaction?  Not good.

 

I hope your husband and your daughter do great in their recovery ... and I'm glad you're looking at the upside ... natural immunity for life!!

 

 

 

post #19 of 104

OP I would suggest YOU get the pox vaccine, I had the pox at 16 and it was truly one of the worst experiences of my life.  My little bro (4) and little sis (9 months) got it as well and it was a normal childhood disease.

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Originally Posted by ma2two View Post

Rotavirus and oral polio vaccines shed through the stool. MMR can shed, but not through the stool.



MMR can shed through stool. A mother, who has a son that received the MMR vaccine reacted poorly (she got an acute form of it which caused her to get MS). Her doctor thinks it's from the virus that shed into his stool and she was still changing his diapers during that time.

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