Typhus & Scarlet Fever (2 diseases that there are no vaccines for to date) declined drastically without vaccines. Why is that? The same reasons that many other "VPD" dramatically declined before vaccines..... improved nutrition, sanitation & cleaner drinking water. Before you start stating how many lives have been saved by vaccines, you need to look at the history of these diseases & see that WAY BEFORE vaccines ever came on the scene, "VPD"s dramatically decreased & I mean dramatically. The reasons I mentioned earlier have way more to do with saving lives then vaccines do & to my knowledge have no adverse effects. You cannot compare diseases in the US & 3rd world countries....I think someone referred to it before as comparing apples & toothpaste. I would bet money that if the same advances in nutrition, access to clean drinking water & improved sanitation would result in the same reduction in VPD & other diseases. Until those things happen, vaccines may be the best solution for people in those countries although I have concerns about the damage vaccines do to their immune systems.
I am sorry for anyone who has lost a child to a VPD or any other disease for that matter. I am also very sorry for all of the vaccine related injuries to children. Personally, my grandparents (in their 80s) can't recall anyone who died from a "VPD". My Aunt is 60 & pretty much all of her friends had measles, rubella, mumps, chicken pox, etc & she knows of no one that died or suffered permanent damage. Polio is a whole other story. Then again there is strong evidence that the Polio epidemic wasn't really Polio & was a form a meningitis. Anecdotal "evidence" that feels relevant in your decision-making process is fine, but you cannot use it to make broad-reaching statements about vaccines & "VPDs".
Saying "shame on you" to parents who don't read the vax inserts shows a lack of compassion & empathy IMO. Parents are not to blame for vaccine-related injuries. Most parents trust that their providers are offering something safe to their children & don't question everything like I & many other parents do. Providers should be just as responsible, if not more, for discussing the risks with parents instead of pushing them as being 100% safe & effective as is typically done. Doctors are equally if not more responsible for reporting to VAERS but many do not wish to do so. As for vaccine injuries happening to a small percentage of people, that is just flat-out wrong. VAERS is about 10% of the total estimated negative outcomes. The actual #s reported are significant & when you multiply it by 10, it goes beyond significant & moves into horrifying.
I see a pattern in this thread as I do in the Vax argument in general...those who are anti-vax (or selectively vax) are far better educated on the facts about vaccines than those who are pro-vax. The drug companies rely heavily on evoking an emotional response from people & scaring them into vaxing. I have done countless hours of research on "VPDs", their history, the vaccines themselves and so on. IMO In the US & other developed countries, extended breastfeeding, proper nutrition, an intact immune system are the best defenses against disease. The chances of being hospitalized or dying from a "VPD" today is incredibly rare while having a vaccine injury is not rare at all.
Edited by awallrising - 6/13/11 at 6:48am