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post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by tonttu View Post

has avoided heavy lifting in order not to put extra strain on her scar

 

Whaaaat? what is "heavy lifting"??? Is this a risk factor? I have been carrying around my 25 lbs toddler this entire pregnancy... carrying him up and down our stairs, in and out of our car, etc. I have never heard this as a risk factor before, and while I had a successful HBAC 2 years ago, this now worries me. Can you please expand??

post #22 of 35

Sorry , I should have been more specific ! Of course , I didn´t mean the normal everyday activities , like carrying your toodler (even though you probably should try to limit that as much as possible with any pregnancy , after cs or not) , or carrying a grocery bag .
I was mainly talking about trying to avoid any undue stress on the scar by overdoing it , lifting heavy things as well as overexcerting yourself , since I just believe , that a cs scar(just like ANY scar) is a little weaker than the rest of the "normal" tissue and I personally would try to avoid anything , that would put any kind of extra strain to it .

When I was pregnant with my 3rd baby , I was lifting the older two sometimes (5 and 21/2 then) and I was carrying the occasional 25 lb dog food bag , but if you can avoid it , then by all means , you should . After all , everything we can do , to increase our chances of vbac , we should do .

By the way , my third was also a successful vba2c , so no harm done , apparently winky.gif

post #23 of 35

You should start sending him horror stories about csects. Many women die each year from csects. I have read way more csect horror stories than vbac. I have actually never read a vbac horror story. I did know of someone once whose baby died from uterine rupture, but it was her first baby, not a vbac.

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Sorry , I should have been more specific ! Of course , I didn´t mean the normal everyday activities , like carrying your toodler (even though you probably should try to limit that as much as possible with any pregnancy , after cs or not) , or carrying a grocery bag .
I was mainly talking about trying to avoid any undue stress on the scar by overdoing it , lifting heavy things as well as overexcerting yourself , since I just believe , that a cs scar(just like ANY scar) is a little weaker than the rest of the "normal" tissue and I personally would try to avoid anything , that would put any kind of extra strain to it .

When I was pregnant with my 3rd baby , I was lifting the older two sometimes (5 and 21/2 then) and I was carrying the occasional 25 lb dog food bag , but if you can avoid it , then by all means , you should . After all , everything we can do , to increase our chances of vbac , we should do .

By the way , my third was also a successful vba2c , so no harm done , apparently winky.gif


Okay, thanks for explaining!!! :-) Makes me feel a lot better!
 

post #25 of 35
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I was lucky enough to go to a lecture by Henci Goer once, and she presented this stat (among many, she is the stat queen!) that made a big impression on me. Data show that 1 in 10,000 attempted VBACs results in a rupture that causes death for the baby. But about 1 in 10,000 planned repeat c-section results in death for the mother. Both are small risks, but they're also equal risks. Somehow we hear a lot about babies dying from attempted VBACs but we don't hear about moms dying from sections.


Sometimes, the moms don't die at birth but rather die later so they are not even in the stats. Plus, the babies have a three times higher rate of death in the first year if they were otherwise healthy and were born by elective csect. I read a study on that in my last pregnancy. Oh, and there is a high autism rate amongst sectioned babies. I almost died in my last csect.

post #26 of 35
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I did know of someone once whose baby died from uterine rupture, but it was her first baby, not a vbac.



 You know what is interesting? I know someone who also had a UR with her 2nd child, but it was NOT a VBAC (her first child was a vaginal delivery). I don't know the details but my sister told me (she is one of my sister's best friends) that she cannot have anymore children and it scared me to death! I want to know what happened! Why does UR happen with women who have never had a c/s?

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 You know what is interesting? I know someone who also had a UR with her 2nd child, but it was NOT a VBAC (her first child was a vaginal delivery). I don't know the details but my sister told me (she is one of my sister's best friends) that she cannot have anymore children and it scared me to death! I want to know what happened! Why does UR happen with women who have never had a c/s?


I know of two examples. I don't know the situation of the first but the one I read of recently in a study involved a lot of pushing on the belly to get the baby out.

post #28 of 35


 

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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post

I did know of someone once whose baby died from uterine rupture, but it was her first baby, not a vbac.



 You know what is interesting? I know someone who also had a UR with her 2nd child, but it was NOT a VBAC (her first child was a vaginal delivery). I don't know the details but my sister told me (she is one of my sister's best friends) that she cannot have anymore children and it scared me to death! I want to know what happened! Why does UR happen with women who have never had a c/s?



I haven't done research on this particular question but I'm guessing it has to do with things such as Cytotec.

post #29 of 35

And one thing we should never forget , is , that ANY uterus can rupture . I personally know of a case , first pregnancy , uscarred uterus , induced labor , that didn´t speed up enough for the doctor , so they pumped some stuff into the mother and guess , what....

Complete rupture , heavy blood loss and even though , mother and baby survived , that child is irreparably brain-damaged and the mother lost her uterus . 

It makes me really angry , when people throw themselves at the "oh a vbac is the most dangerous thing in the world , blablabla..." and at the same time fail to mention (or realize) , that a cesarean is MAYOR abdominal surgery with a lot of short- and long-term risks and side effects . My mother had to have us by cesarean , unavoidably in her case due to an old pelvis fracture , that was healed so poorly , she couldn´t fit a 6-month preemie through there if she tried , but she had to have surgery because all the scar tissue inside her was causing her so many problems .

And that was 15 years after the last c/s !

Of course , there is a risk involved , but right now , it seems , that the only two choices women have is , to do it at home or in a hospital , where they don´t get any support and it seems like the doctor is standing there with a scalpell waiting for his chance to slash her open

But really, all we want , is to deliver our child in a safe surrounding , where we have all the options available to us SHOULD THE NEED ARISE!!!!

Not because the baby before the one we have now , was taken by surgery .

That´s why I hate the words trial of labor , hell , any delivery is a trial of labor , strictly speaking , since you NEVER know , how it may go , whether it´s the first or 10th time .

And the argument , that doctors like to use , we are not equipped to perform an emergency c/s in this hospital . Well , then you shouldn´t let ANY women deliver here , because you NEVER know , when you may have to perform an emergency c/s

The fact remains , vbac or vbamc is safe , it´s an option , that we should at least be allowed to try and that´s another thing I hate "you won´t be allowed to do that"

Says f...who ? I am an adult , I make that decision based on the research I did and nobody can tell me , what I am allowed to do or not , after all , I am not 5 .

My mother (who is a radiologist , by the way) once said , that if ob/gyns would have their patients best interest in mind , they would not be doing half the stuff they are doing now .

A rcs is not the safest option for the mother or baby , when it´s performed only because the others were cs , it´s the easiest option for the doctor . after all , once he did the surgery , he doesn´t live with the aftermath of it , so why should he worry

Sorry , I really needed to vent that !!!

post #30 of 35



 

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And the argument , that doctors like to use , we are not equipped to perform an emergency c/s in this hospital . Well , then you shouldn´t let ANY women deliver here , because you NEVER know , when you may have to perform an emergency c/s

 

Couldn't agree more!!!!!

post #31 of 35

hey i just wanted to say im a survivor of a UR at home. PM me if you wanna chat, not going to post details on here as i dont want to scare/upset people. but yeah, im fine and so is baby, still an advocate of HBAC

post #32 of 35

I just read a very interesting thread about UR in VBAMC . I googled vbamc and the kmoms site popped up , and there were quite a few interesting pointers there , for example , one said that the risk they found of UR was lower in VBA3C than in VBA2C . Puzzling at first , but they think , it´s because , in VBA3C less augmentation and interventions are used , as to avoid the rupture risk and in VBA2C , they simply seem to be more liberal with meds . 

Definitely some food for thought , especially since there was one small study in there , that found a 0.0 % rupture rate , because all of the women in it were allowed to labor spontaneously .  

post #33 of 35

I had a uterine rupture during my 3rd pregnancy, after one c-section and one successful VBAC.

 

Both baby and I were ok (though I consider us to have been very lucky), and I'm currently pregnant with our fourth.

 

Any questions, feel free to PM me.

post #34 of 35

All the research that I've done, and talking to a few midwives who do homebirths and in birth centers. They shared stories of rupture and both cases the baby didn't make it. They told me that the best thing for mom and baby in a VBAC scenario is to be in a hospital that's supportive where a OR is readily avaliable if a rupture occurs. I was told that if a rupture occurs in a hospital, it is usually not too big of a deal as long as an emergency section is performed immediately.

post #35 of 35

Sorry just realized that this is and old post.


Edited by Eve Newday - 1/26/12 at 1:34pm
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